paleo?
tracymckenziephillips
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Does anyone follow a paleo lifestyle? I started about a week and half ago and feel so much better
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I need recipes0
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You should do a search, there are heaps of Paleo threads on here.0
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If I were you, I'd search out the paleo/primal discussion boards and join one or more of those discussions. There are a lot of ignorant, intolerant people on the main boards who have a hobby of baiting people who eat differently than they do.0
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I've loved every recipe I've tried from Hewontknowitspaleo.com
They're autoimmune paleo, but that makes them regular paleo compliant.
nomnompaleo.com also has some good recipes.0 -
Tried30UserNames wrote: »I've loved every recipe I've tried from Hewontknowitspaleo.com
They're autoimmune paleo, but that makes them regular paleo compliant.
nomnompaleo.com also has some good recipes.
Yes, I can vouch for both of those. Every recipe I've tried from Hewontknowitspaleo.com has been a winner -- even the non-celiacs in my family have said the food is delicious.0 -
No one follows atracymckenziephillips wrote: »Does anyone follow a paleo lifestyle? I started about a week and half ago and feel so much better
No one follows a paleo lifestyle, not even self described paleos.0 -
I ate paleo for a few weeks and didn't feel any better (either with my autoimmune disease or in general with my other problems) so I went back to eating normally.
But you do what you want. A quick google search will find you a lot of recipes and there are lots of paleo groups here.0 -
nakedraygun wrote: »No one follows atracymckenziephillips wrote: »Does anyone follow a paleo lifestyle? I started about a week and half ago and feel so much better
No one follows a paleo lifestyle, not even self described paleos.
You've just demonstrated very clearly that you have no idea what you're talking about. Amazing how that works. And you probably felt very clever doing it!-1 -
Okay, I'm out of here. It's been fun, but I have better things to do. Seriously, tracy, if you don't want a bunch of self-proclaimed humorists doing their poor best to have fun at your expense, look for paleo recipes elsewhere. The main forum at MFP is hostile to people who believe that food choices impact the state of your health.
They're in good company. An awful lot of standard medical practitioners don't believe it, either. Interesting, the way diabetes rates are skyrocketing... I wonder if it has anything to do with the foods people are eating these days?
Nah.... it's impossible.-1 -
homesweeths wrote: »
They're in good company. An awful lot of standard medical practitioners don't believe it, either. Interesting, the way diabetes rates are skyrocketing... I wonder if it has anything to do with the foods people are eating these days?
Nah.... it's impossible.
I really don't have an opinion either way, but diabetes rates are increasing because people are eating too MUCH food, not because of the kinds of foods they are eating. It is perfectly possible (happened to my cousin, in fact) to become diabetic as a paleo eater. She was eating too much of it.
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MarziPanda95 wrote: »I ate paleo for a few weeks and didn't feel any better (either with my autoimmune disease or in general with my other problems) so I went back to eating normally.
But you do what you want. A quick google search will find you a lot of recipes and there are lots of paleo groups here.
Yeah, it's true that it doesn't work for everyone. That's the beauty of MFP -- you can find all kinds of people, following all kinds of eating plans that work for them, and eventually (hopefully) you'll hit on the one that works for you.
Sheesh, I can't believe I came back to make another comment here. But having intelligent dialog (I am not including the half-wits who hang out on these boards, of course) with people who really are trying to solve their personal metabolic conundrum is addictive.
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homesweeths wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »I ate paleo for a few weeks and didn't feel any better (either with my autoimmune disease or in general with my other problems) so I went back to eating normally.
But you do what you want. A quick google search will find you a lot of recipes and there are lots of paleo groups here.
Yeah, it's true that it doesn't work for everyone. That's the beauty of MFP -- you can find all kinds of people, following all kinds of eating plans that work for them, and eventually (hopefully) you'll hit on the one that works for you.
I did find the eating plan that worked for me... eating the right combination of medication
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MarziPanda95 wrote: »homesweeths wrote: »
They're in good company. An awful lot of standard medical practitioners don't believe it, either. Interesting, the way diabetes rates are skyrocketing... I wonder if it has anything to do with the foods people are eating these days?
Nah.... it's impossible.
I really don't have an opinion either way, but diabetes rates are increasing because people are eating too MUCH food, not because of the kinds of foods they are eating. It is perfectly possible (happened to my cousin, in fact) to become diabetic as a paleo eater. She was eating too much of it.
Yes, I can see that happening. Too much of anything is... too much. If I ate a lot of dried fruit (which would be easy to do, seeing how I love dates and dried figs and apricots), I could take in enough sugar to really mess up my blood sugar metabolism. I have to do sugar in moderation, so I stick to about a cup of berries a day, or half a grapefruit, or a little super-dark chocolate, for a treat for my sweet tooth.
My parents were both type 2 diabetics, well before they were my age, and I was pre-diabetic before I started this way of eating, so if I hadn't changed my diet, I expect I'd be full-blown diabetic by now. (Edited to add: Sure beats pills, and/or injections. *shudder* I hate needles. I am watching the slow disintegration of someone in my extended family from type 2 diabetes. it's awful. But he doesn't believe that what he eats has any bearing on his health; he's been unwilling even to try anything different. It's so sad.)0 -
MarziPanda95 wrote: »homesweeths wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »I ate paleo for a few weeks and didn't feel any better (either with my autoimmune disease or in general with my other problems) so I went back to eating normally.
But you do what you want. A quick google search will find you a lot of recipes and there are lots of paleo groups here.
Yeah, it's true that it doesn't work for everyone. That's the beauty of MFP -- you can find all kinds of people, following all kinds of eating plans that work for them, and eventually (hopefully) you'll hit on the one that works for you.
I did find the eating plan that worked for me... eating the right combination of medication
Good luck with that.
(Edited to add smiley face. I didn't really mean it to sound as sarcastic as it turned out to sound. I just got fed up with the limitations of medication a few years ago, and decided to see if I could do better than the MDs and Big Pharma. So far, it's working much better than the pills ever did. But if medication is working for you, I'm glad you found something that works.)
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homesweeths wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »homesweeths wrote: »
They're in good company. An awful lot of standard medical practitioners don't believe it, either. Interesting, the way diabetes rates are skyrocketing... I wonder if it has anything to do with the foods people are eating these days?
Nah.... it's impossible.
I really don't have an opinion either way, but diabetes rates are increasing because people are eating too MUCH food, not because of the kinds of foods they are eating. It is perfectly possible (happened to my cousin, in fact) to become diabetic as a paleo eater. She was eating too much of it.
I am watching the slow disintegration of someone in my extended family from type 2 diabetes. it's awful. But he doesn't believe that what he eats has any bearing on his health; he's been unwilling even to try anything different. It's so sad.)
I know someone like that too! My best friend's dad. Once you're pre-diabetic or diabetic, sugars and carbs really do matter. He keeps eating all the things he shouldn't because he's selfish and doesn't seem to care that his family would be distraught if he died.
And I agree with the dried fruit... yum!0 -
As far as snappy rejoinders go, meh.homesweeths wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »No one follows atracymckenziephillips wrote: »Does anyone follow a paleo lifestyle? I started about a week and half ago and feel so much better
No one follows a paleo lifestyle, not even self described paleos.
You've just demonstrated very clearly that you have no idea what you're talking about. Amazing how that works. And you probably felt very clever doing it!
You do realize that all that "paleo eating" is one giant waste of magical thinking. Paleo eaters are no more paleo then the men who eat powdered rhino horn to improve their erections.
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MarziPanda95 wrote: »homesweeths wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »homesweeths wrote: »
They're in good company. An awful lot of standard medical practitioners don't believe it, either. Interesting, the way diabetes rates are skyrocketing... I wonder if it has anything to do with the foods people are eating these days?
Nah.... it's impossible.
I really don't have an opinion either way, but diabetes rates are increasing because people are eating too MUCH food, not because of the kinds of foods they are eating. It is perfectly possible (happened to my cousin, in fact) to become diabetic as a paleo eater. She was eating too much of it.
I am watching the slow disintegration of someone in my extended family from type 2 diabetes. it's awful. But he doesn't believe that what he eats has any bearing on his health; he's been unwilling even to try anything different. It's so sad.)
I know someone like that too! My best friend's dad. Once you're pre-diabetic or diabetic, sugars and carbs really do matter. He keeps eating all the things he shouldn't because he's selfish and doesn't seem to care that his family would be distraught if he died.
And I agree with the dried fruit... yum!
Oh, so sorry for your best friend. It's so frustrating, kind of like watching someone commit suicide in slow motion, I guess. (Suicide by knife and fork?) Y'know, I was like that at one point, eating whatever I wanted because I figured I wasn't going to live all that much longer, anyhow. But then the pain got so severe, I *had* to try something different... and then I found out how *good* it feels to be healthy. All I have to do is eat certain foods to bring the pain back. It's not worth it.0 -
nakedraygun wrote: »
As far as snappy rejoinders go, meh.homesweeths wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »No one follows atracymckenziephillips wrote: »Does anyone follow a paleo lifestyle? I started about a week and half ago and feel so much better
No one follows a paleo lifestyle, not even self described paleos.
You've just demonstrated very clearly that you have no idea what you're talking about. Amazing how that works. And you probably felt very clever doing it!
You do realize that all that "paleo eating" is one giant waste of magical thinking. Paleo eaters are no more paleo then the men who eat powdered rhino horn to improve their erections.
No, "paleo eating" is a label. It has little to do with cavemen, that's just a catchy image to talk about how people ate before the dawn of food additives and large-scale, industrial farming.
My great-grandparents ate "paleo style" without the label. It was the norm, during their lifetime. They weren't cavemen, either, of course. Food made from scratch, organically grown (all food was grown organically in their day -- the chemical companies hadn't come up with whatever it is they make into fertilizer these days, and the pesticides now manufactured, and the genetic modifications) made up their food supply.
Don't get me wrong, I'm all for people eating what works for them.
I just don't get the Crusaders Against Paleo on the boards here, who rail against it without even knowing what it is. It's not about dinosaurs or prehistoric peoples at all. (Only in their imaginations, I guess. They have a surface knowledge that makes them feel informed and educated enough, I suppose, to sneer at the concept.)0 -
I'm new to MFP, but I've been rather stunned by how virulently anti-Paleo it is. I guess I just thought everyone had different preferences in food and eating, and we'd all support each other with our weight loss and fitness goals. I also thought that since about 80% of the people I know eat paleo or paleo-ish, it had become mainstream and SAD was now the bizarre thing. I'm naive.
I, too, have had health problems and have watched family members die or become disabled from the same sorts of issues I'm dealing with. My dietary changes have made all the difference when modern pharmaceuticals and doctors had no answers or help for me. I'm not paleo, but I do incorporate many of the ideas from it and use a whole lot of paleo recipes. And I've also loved seeing how paleo has changed and adapted and expanded over the years, with some people incorporating rice or dairy if it works for them. My own preference is to eat more like my great-great grandparents did, with the addition of lots of modern conveniences like food processors and fun foods like coconut milk.0 -
Eating "Paleo" is just elimination dieting. Nothing more, nothing less. You even acknowledge this fact by stating that paleo is just a "label." The claims of paleo and its alleged health benefits are not true and if, as you state that they only have a "surface knowledge" of the subject, how is illustrating that it is indeed "surface knowledge" makes one a "crusader."homesweeths wrote: »I just don't get the Crusaders Against Paleo on the boards here, who rail against it without even knowing what it is. It's not about dinosaurs or prehistoric peoples at all. (Only in their imaginations, I guess. They have a surface knowledge that makes them feel informed and educated enough, I suppose, to sneer at the concept.)
You are the one stating they have "surface knowledge" I guess you are a crusader too.
Welcome to the club.0 -
nakedraygun wrote: »
Eating "Paleo" is just elimination dieting. Nothing more, nothing less. You even acknowledge this fact by stating that paleo is just a "label." The claims of paleo and its alleged health benefits are not true and if, as you state that they only have a "surface knowledge" of the subject, how is illustrating that it is indeed "surface knowledge" makes one a "crusader."homesweeths wrote: »I just don't get the Crusaders Against Paleo on the boards here, who rail against it without even knowing what it is. It's not about dinosaurs or prehistoric peoples at all. (Only in their imaginations, I guess. They have a surface knowledge that makes them feel informed and educated enough, I suppose, to sneer at the concept.)
You are the one stating they have "surface knowledge" I guess you are a crusader too.
Welcome to the club.
Ah, but "paleo" is so much easier to type than "elimination dieting."0 -
Well there you go. Paleo is no more special -- offers no other real magic -- more than any other heavily marketed fad diet with a catchy name that eliminate foods, groups of foods, or macronutrients. And what is the other commonality between these diets?homesweeths wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »
Eating "Paleo" is just elimination dieting. Nothing more, nothing less. You even acknowledge this fact by stating that paleo is just a "label." The claims of paleo and its alleged health benefits are not true and if, as you state that they only have a "surface knowledge" of the subject, how is illustrating that it is indeed "surface knowledge" makes one a "crusader."homesweeths wrote: »I just don't get the Crusaders Against Paleo on the boards here, who rail against it without even knowing what it is. It's not about dinosaurs or prehistoric peoples at all. (Only in their imaginations, I guess. They have a surface knowledge that makes them feel informed and educated enough, I suppose, to sneer at the concept.)
You are the one stating they have "surface knowledge" I guess you are a crusader too.
Welcome to the club.
Ah, but "paleo" is so much easier to type than "elimination dieting."
The dieters will fail eventually.
Besides, I don't understand why elimination dieters across all spectrums use MFP anyway? Do these diets not work without MFP? Why bother to track calories if the diet supplies all the necessaries for health and wellness?0 -
The thought just struck me. "Vegan" is also an elimination diet. Are you consistent in that you criticize them just as assiduously?
You're most likely right, "dieters" do fail in the end, if they return to the way they ate before they lost the weight, the way they gained too much weight in the first place.
However, a lot of us are not "dieters" but have actually changed our lifestyle. I'm in it for the long term. I have no choice but to remain on this elimination diet. In my case, the list of foods that don't make me sick or in pain just happens to be the "paleo auto-immune" list -- so it's a lot easier and shorter to call it "paleo".
So because I'm not dieting to lose weight (although weight loss has been a side effect of eliminating certain pain-producing foods from my menu), I personally do not foresee failure in my future.
You wanted to know why people on elimination diets use MFP? Well, I can't speak for anyone but myself, so I'll tell you my reasons. Since I started eating "paleo" style, I'm never hungry. I have found that intuitive eating doesn't work for me. I could happily get by on 600 calories a day, eating huge quantities of food -- and never feel hungry! But that would wreck my metabolism and would not be healthy in the long run. So I track my calories and nutrients, to make sure I'm getting enough (calorie- and nutrient-dense food) to eat.
One of the hazards with elimination diets is that, by eliminating whole categories of foods, people warn you that you might be missing essential nutrients. Perhaps that is why other people keep track. I have found that eating "paleo" style has not negatively impacted the vitamins and minerals I chose to track. On the contrary, my nutritional profile is much improved, over when I was able to eat grains and dairy.
I would love to eat grains and dairy, by the way. They're just not worth the pain I experience after eating them.
Everyone has their own reasons for choosing a certain way to eat. I tried all kinds of crazy diets to lose weight, in my younger years. They all worked, in the short run. But I always gained the weight back again. Maybe I'm blessed to have developed such severe reactions to food. I'm pretty confident I won't gain the weight back this time, because I don't have the option of adding grain- and dairy-based cake and cookies and ice cream, not to mention all sorts of things made with potatoes and tomatoes (hash browns, anyone? french fries? potato chips? how about pizza!), back into my diet.0 -
homesweeths wrote: »The thought just struck me. "Vegan" is also an elimination diet. Are you consistent in that you criticize them just as assiduously?
If they think it's magical like some Paleo people seem to think, then yes. If it's purely ethical, then no.
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nakedraygun wrote: »
Well there you go. Paleo is no more special -- offers no other real magic -- more than any other heavily marketed fad diet with a catchy name that eliminate foods, groups of foods, or macronutrients. And what is the other commonality between these diets?homesweeths wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »
Eating "Paleo" is just elimination dieting. Nothing more, nothing less. You even acknowledge this fact by stating that paleo is just a "label." The claims of paleo and its alleged health benefits are not true and if, as you state that they only have a "surface knowledge" of the subject, how is illustrating that it is indeed "surface knowledge" makes one a "crusader."homesweeths wrote: »I just don't get the Crusaders Against Paleo on the boards here, who rail against it without even knowing what it is. It's not about dinosaurs or prehistoric peoples at all. (Only in their imaginations, I guess. They have a surface knowledge that makes them feel informed and educated enough, I suppose, to sneer at the concept.)
You are the one stating they have "surface knowledge" I guess you are a crusader too.
Welcome to the club.
Ah, but "paleo" is so much easier to type than "elimination dieting."
The dieters will fail eventually.
Besides, I don't understand why elimination dieters across all spectrums use MFP anyway? Do these diets not work without MFP? Why bother to track calories if the diet supplies all the necessaries for health and wellness?
This! I don't get it either. If you want to do any elimination diet or any fad diet like weight watchers, why use MFP. It really perplexes me.0 -
(Oh, and I tried conventional means as well. I am a lifetime Weight Watchers member. The problem is, CICO didn't work for me, as I found out, because of my food sensitivities. Certain foods trigger cravings and binge eating, which I only found out after I was forced to give them up because, in recent years, they also triggered severe pain.)0
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nakedraygun wrote: »
Well there you go. Paleo is no more special -- offers no other real magic -- more than any other heavily marketed fad diet with a catchy name that eliminate foods, groups of foods, or macronutrients. And what is the other commonality between these diets?homesweeths wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »
Eating "Paleo" is just elimination dieting. Nothing more, nothing less. You even acknowledge this fact by stating that paleo is just a "label." The claims of paleo and its alleged health benefits are not true and if, as you state that they only have a "surface knowledge" of the subject, how is illustrating that it is indeed "surface knowledge" makes one a "crusader."homesweeths wrote: »I just don't get the Crusaders Against Paleo on the boards here, who rail against it without even knowing what it is. It's not about dinosaurs or prehistoric peoples at all. (Only in their imaginations, I guess. They have a surface knowledge that makes them feel informed and educated enough, I suppose, to sneer at the concept.)
You are the one stating they have "surface knowledge" I guess you are a crusader too.
Welcome to the club.
Ah, but "paleo" is so much easier to type than "elimination dieting."
The dieters will fail eventually.
Besides, I don't understand why elimination dieters across all spectrums use MFP anyway? Do these diets not work without MFP? Why bother to track calories if the diet supplies all the necessaries for health and wellness?
And did I ever claim paleo was magic? I don't recall ever using those words.
However, on second thought, eating this way (choosing from incredible variety on the "paleo auto-immune" list of foods) has worked like magic for my health issues, especially the severe joint pain that was threatening to put me in a wheelchair, so perhaps there is a bit of magic to it after all.0 -
nakedraygun wrote: »
Well there you go. Paleo is no more special -- offers no other real magic -- more than any other heavily marketed fad diet with a catchy name that eliminate foods, groups of foods, or macronutrients. And what is the other commonality between these diets?homesweeths wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »
Eating "Paleo" is just elimination dieting. Nothing more, nothing less. You even acknowledge this fact by stating that paleo is just a "label." The claims of paleo and its alleged health benefits are not true and if, as you state that they only have a "surface knowledge" of the subject, how is illustrating that it is indeed "surface knowledge" makes one a "crusader."homesweeths wrote: »I just don't get the Crusaders Against Paleo on the boards here, who rail against it without even knowing what it is. It's not about dinosaurs or prehistoric peoples at all. (Only in their imaginations, I guess. They have a surface knowledge that makes them feel informed and educated enough, I suppose, to sneer at the concept.)
You are the one stating they have "surface knowledge" I guess you are a crusader too.
Welcome to the club.
Ah, but "paleo" is so much easier to type than "elimination dieting."
The dieters will fail eventually.
Besides, I don't understand why elimination dieters across all spectrums use MFP anyway? Do these diets not work without MFP? Why bother to track calories if the diet supplies all the necessaries for health and wellness?
This! I don't get it either. If you want to do any elimination diet or any fad diet like weight watchers, why use MFP. It really perplexes me.
I explained why I use MFP, and why I think others might, a few comments higher in this thread, if you're really interested.0 -
homesweeths wrote: »The thought just struck me. "Vegan" is also an elimination diet. Are you consistent in that you criticize them just as assiduously?
If they think it's magical like some Paleo people seem to think, then yes. If it's purely ethical, then no.
Well, I can see why magical thinking might irritate people.
Most of the time I'm a live-and-let-live kind of person. I usually don't get my jollies from telling other people they're making choices that I, personally, wouldn't make. I do get annoyed at the people who pile on "paleo" eaters or "vegans" or whatever -- if it's working for the post-er -- as if they're committing some sort of crime by enthusing over something that's working for them.
Now, when it shades over into "this is what's working for me and I think *everybody* should be forced to eat this way" well, yeah, that is annoying.
Edited to add: And if someone is posting, and lamenting that everything they've tried has not worked for them, and they're desperate, what is the harm in someone like me, for whom paleo has been nothing short of a medical miracle, suggesting they try it and see if it works for them? Maybe it will work and give them relief. Maybe it won't work, and they'll need to go on and try something else. But what is the harm in suggesting they give it a try, even for a limited period, like a week, or two, or 30 days? I'd rather see them try paleo eating, and give it a chance to work for them, than see them give in to medical mutilation like stomach stapling or removing intestines or joint replacement surgery. And if it doesn't work, well, those surgical options are still out there. It's just that, the surgical options are a one-way trip. There's no going back. Paleo, you can pick it up, or you can drop it if it doesn't work for you.0 -
nakedraygun wrote: »
Well there you go. Paleo is no more special -- offers no other real magic -- more than any other heavily marketed fad diet with a catchy name that eliminate foods, groups of foods, or macronutrients. And what is the other commonality between these diets?homesweeths wrote: »nakedraygun wrote: »
Eating "Paleo" is just elimination dieting. Nothing more, nothing less. You even acknowledge this fact by stating that paleo is just a "label." The claims of paleo and its alleged health benefits are not true and if, as you state that they only have a "surface knowledge" of the subject, how is illustrating that it is indeed "surface knowledge" makes one a "crusader."homesweeths wrote: »I just don't get the Crusaders Against Paleo on the boards here, who rail against it without even knowing what it is. It's not about dinosaurs or prehistoric peoples at all. (Only in their imaginations, I guess. They have a surface knowledge that makes them feel informed and educated enough, I suppose, to sneer at the concept.)
You are the one stating they have "surface knowledge" I guess you are a crusader too.
Welcome to the club.
Ah, but "paleo" is so much easier to type than "elimination dieting."
The dieters will fail eventually.
Besides, I don't understand why elimination dieters across all spectrums use MFP anyway? Do these diets not work without MFP? Why bother to track calories if the diet supplies all the necessaries for health and wellness?
This! I don't get it either. If you want to do any elimination diet or any fad diet like weight watchers, why use MFP. It really perplexes me.
p.s Weight Watchers is a fad diet? Really? I wasn't aware of that. I haven't done WW in years, but I remember when I first started, thinking that it was very much like the diabetic diet the doctor gave my mom when she developed type 2 diabetes. Almost identical, actually.
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