What is with this lumpy, squishy fat?
inyasha23
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all my fat it's really squishy and not firm like it used to be like the fat around my glutes. Almost like a marbley/lumpy feeling inside it when I squeeze it together.
Does this mean the fat is being burned or that I'm holding water there? im starting to get really depressed about it because i look WORSE then when i started to loose weight!!!
Does this mean the fat is being burned or that I'm holding water there? im starting to get really depressed about it because i look WORSE then when i started to loose weight!!!
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It goes away.. I used to get it if I stalled for a bit and then get a big drop after. I think its a good thing1
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Look up the "whoosh effect "
@rabbitjb will hopefully post the pic. My little camera icon has disappeared when I'm posting from my phone, so i can't post pictures
But yes, I've noticed the little marbly balls under my tummy fat. It's normal.0 -
The fat gets softer as you are losing it. The marbles I believe are just adipose tissue, fat. Its just how its stored on your lower body.0
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Are you exercising?0
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Yep. Look up stalls and whooshes.
I've got $20 that says you're about to see a big drop and all that squishy stuff will vanish like magic.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Are you exercising?
yes im exercising im doing PSMF, i do body weight exercises no cardio.
my calories are 800 cals a day.0 -
I hope the 800 was a typo..0
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PeachyPlum wrote: »Yep. Look up stalls and whooshes.
I've got $20 that says you're about to see a big drop and all that squishy stuff will vanish like magic.
i really hope so, i don't understand how i look worse then when i started losing weight though, my whole body looks like jello, i looked a lot better before i started dieting and exercising as funny as that sounds.
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mebepiglet123 wrote: »I hope the 800 was a typo..
no that's what PSMF is, just the bare minimum amount of calories to meet your Macros.
its designed to preserve as much muscle as possible while in a huge deficit. i don't have the patience for long diets that last months.
I've been on it for 2 weeks 3 days and lost 19 pounds so far.0 -
mebepiglet123 wrote: »I hope the 800 was a typo..
no that's what PSMF is, just the bare minimum amount of calories to meet your Macros.
its designed to preserve as much muscle as possible while in a huge deficit. i don't have the patience for long diets that last months.
I've been on it for 2 weeks 3 days and lost 19 pounds so far.
Oh dear. Is this medically supervised?0 -
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PeachyPlum wrote: »mebepiglet123 wrote: »I hope the 800 was a typo..
no that's what PSMF is, just the bare minimum amount of calories to meet your Macros.
its designed to preserve as much muscle as possible while in a huge deficit. i don't have the patience for long diets that last months.
I've been on it for 2 weeks 3 days and lost 19 pounds so far.
Oh dear. Is this medically supervised?
no it PMSF its not dangerous, many people have done it its not a new thing its been around for a long time now.
its pretty hard though, luckily i have a very sedentary lifestyle while not working out so i can get away with feeling tired and sluggish all the time.
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From the Wikipedia article I posted:
"PSMF was designed in the late 1970s as a diet for a rapid weight loss for the morbidly obese.[1][2] PSMF is a type of very low calorie diet with dehydration being a health concern, hence fluids, vitamin and mineral (potassium and sodium) supplementation is necessary and doctor's supervision is recommended."0 -
Um hmm, your diet shouldn't make you feel tired and sluggish all the time. Is that 800 net or total calories? You say you looked better before starting this program, have you considered that not properly fueling your body could be resulting in a less desirable outcome.0
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PeachyPlum wrote: »mebepiglet123 wrote: »I hope the 800 was a typo..
no that's what PSMF is, just the bare minimum amount of calories to meet your Macros.
its designed to preserve as much muscle as possible while in a huge deficit. i don't have the patience for long diets that last months.
I've been on it for 2 weeks 3 days and lost 19 pounds so far.
Oh dear. Is this medically supervised?
no it PMSF its not dangerous, many people have done it its not a new thing its been around for a long time now.
its pretty hard though, luckily i have a very sedentary lifestyle while not working out so i can get away with feeling tired and sluggish all the time.
Yeah, it sounds pretty dangerous to me0 -
From the Wikipedia article I posted:
"PSMF was designed in the late 1970s as a diet for a rapid weight loss for the morbidly obese.[1][2] PSMF is a type of very low calorie diet with dehydration being a health concern, hence fluids, vitamin and mineral (potassium and sodium) supplementation is necessary and doctor's supervision is recommended."
The Wikipedia article you posted also says THIS:
A long-term PSMF diet undertaken carelessly and without the care of a physician may lead to serious health risks.0 -
mebepiglet123 wrote: »I hope the 800 was a typo..
no that's what PSMF is, just the bare minimum amount of calories to meet your Macros.
its designed to preserve as much muscle as possible while in a huge deficit. i don't have the patience for long diets that last months.
I've been on it for 2 weeks 3 days and lost 19 pounds so far.
You've already been on it longer than the people who came up with it advise0 -
auntstephie321 wrote: »Um hmm, your diet shouldn't make you feel tired and sluggish all the time. Is that 800 net or total calories? You say you looked better before starting this program, have you considered that not properly fueling your body could be resulting in a less desirable outcome.
well the way i see it is that i can feel tired and sluggish for a month or i can do a 500 cal deficit and lose only 1 pound of fat a week instead of 3-4 and have to diet for 3-4 months. i cant do that i don't have the patience for that long of a diet.
i don't know why i look worse now, its confusing im exercising 4x a week doing calisthenics so i cant be losing muscle mass .0 -
auntstephie321 wrote: »Um hmm, your diet shouldn't make you feel tired and sluggish all the time. Is that 800 net or total calories? You say you looked better before starting this program, have you considered that not properly fueling your body could be resulting in a less desirable outcome.
well the way i see it is that i can feel tired and sluggish for a month or i can do a 500 cal deficit and lose only 1 pound of fat a week instead of 3-4 and have to diet for 3-4 months. i cant do that i don't have the patience for that long of a diet.
i don't know why i look worse now, its confusing im exercising 4x a week doing calisthenics so i cant be losing muscle mass .
Yes you can. At that low of intake your body is literally burning your muscle mass.
You can do this for three or four weeks, and then what happens? You go right back to eating like you were before and gain all the weight back?0 -
mebepiglet123 wrote: »I hope the 800 was a typo..
no that's what PSMF is, just the bare minimum amount of calories to meet your Macros.
its designed to preserve as much muscle as possible while in a huge deficit. i don't have the patience for long diets that last months.
I've been on it for 2 weeks 3 days and lost 19 pounds so far.
You've already been on it longer than the people who came up with it advise
im planning to take a break at 3 weeks and have maintenance calories for a week then do another 2-3 more weeks of PSMF.
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auntstephie321 wrote: »Um hmm, your diet shouldn't make you feel tired and sluggish all the time. Is that 800 net or total calories? You say you looked better before starting this program, have you considered that not properly fueling your body could be resulting in a less desirable outcome.
well the way i see it is that i can feel tired and sluggish for a month or i can do a 500 cal deficit and lose only 1 pound of fat a week instead of 3-4 and have to diet for 3-4 months. i cant do that i don't have the patience for that long of a diet.
i don't know why i look worse now, its confusing im exercising 4x a week doing calisthenics so i cant be losing muscle mass .
I guess you should check with your Dr or dietician to see if this is a common side effect.0 -
auntstephie321 wrote: »Um hmm, your diet shouldn't make you feel tired and sluggish all the time. Is that 800 net or total calories? You say you looked better before starting this program, have you considered that not properly fueling your body could be resulting in a less desirable outcome.
well the way i see it is that i can feel tired and sluggish for a month or i can do a 500 cal deficit and lose only 1 pound of fat a week instead of 3-4 and have to diet for 3-4 months. i cant do that i don't have the patience for that long of a diet.
i don't know why i look worse now, its confusing im exercising 4x a week doing calisthenics so i cant be losing muscle mass .
On 800 calories a day of course you're losing muscle mass. Eat more. Out of interest, what is your plan for once you reach your goal weight?
Edited to add: lifting heavy weights helps you retain muscle mass while losing weight, not calisthenics (as far as I know). But you still need to eat enough calories to keep those muscles.0 -
"Carbohydrates are usually the body's primary source of energy. Since a very limited amount of carbohydrates are consumed, fat becomes the primary fuel source for the body. This rapid breakdown of fat produces ketones that spill into the urine, called ketosis. Ketones in the urine are desirable. While in ketosis, most people lose their appetite, which is a benefit of this program. A large amount of the water in your body is stored with carbohydrates. Since carbohydrate intake is severely limited and storage is severely depleted, dehydration is a health concern. To compensate, adequate quantities of fluid, sodium, and prescription potassium are required each day. Eating foods that are not appropriate can stop ketosis, which not only means less weight reduction, but it can cause dangerous shifts in the body's fluid and electrolytes."
So you're just going to take your chances with that, then?
Source: http://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases_conditions/obesity/hic_PSMF_Diet_Program0 -
lemonlionheart wrote: »On 800 calories a day of course you're losing muscle mass. Eat more. Out of interest, what is your plan for once you reach your goal weight?
reverse diet to maintenance cals, im going to start at 2000 calories and add 100 calories each day till i reach my original maintenance calories.
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Alrighty....
Patience is a virtue coveted by many and possessed by few. You're young, you haven't had time to develop it, you don't know your own body yet, etc
Now that that's out of the way:
800 calories is in no way enough for a 19 year old male!
Nothing about dieting is going to be quick, and you can't just go back to eating whatever you want after you lose the weight either. 800 calories is lower than my bear minimum as a 19 year old female, probably shorter and lighter than yourself. 3-4 months feels like forever looking at it on a calendar, but it's not. It's really no time at all. You have the rest of your life that you need your health for. Your body is still developing, your skull won't fuse till your 25, the bones in your spine and feet are still calcifying, you can do serious damage to yourself eating this way. And quite frankly it's stupid. You want to be fit, lean, strong, catch yourself a nice girl? This is not the way. Lose it slowly so your skin snaps back, hit those weights and get some bad-*kitten* muscles going on, eat food. And plenty of it. No woman wants to regularly out eat her man.
And yes, you can be losing muscle mass, youre not eating enough to maintain it. You look worse now because you're probably trying to strangle your organs and your body is bloody pissed at you!0 -
What you're doing is a perfect storm for muscle loss!. You'll no doubt end up looking floppy and podgy with no muscle definition. A condensed version of your bigger self.
Get your butt in the gym and start eating. You need food to fuel your workouts and build a nice physique
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PeachyPlum wrote: »mebepiglet123 wrote: »I hope the 800 was a typo..
no that's what PSMF is, just the bare minimum amount of calories to meet your Macros.
its designed to preserve as much muscle as possible while in a huge deficit. i don't have the patience for long diets that last months.
I've been on it for 2 weeks 3 days and lost 19 pounds so far.
Oh dear. Is this medically supervised?
no it PMSF its not dangerous, many people have done it its not a new thing its been around for a long time now.
its pretty hard though, luckily i have a very sedentary lifestyle while not working out so i can get away with feeling tired and sluggish all the time.
I've done it before with success and I'm doing it now for four days (more if I think I can continue). Because of my gender, activity level and body fat percentage, my calorie max is 558. My protein is 70 g.
I agree that it's not dangerous short-term. If I planned to do it more than two weeks I would get medical supervision.
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christinev297 wrote: »What you're doing is a perfect storm for muscle loss!. You'll no doubt end up looking floppy and podgy with no muscle definition. A condensed version of your bigger self.
Get your butt in the gym and start eating. You need food to fuel your workouts and build a nice physique
No, the whole point of a PSMF is that you eat enough protein to preserve muscle. Your weight loss is primarily fat loss, not muscle and water weight, as happens with other extreme diets. You calculate your needs based on your gender, activity level, and body fat percentage and must keep strict track of your food intake, particularly your protein.
I only do a PSMF on a short-term basis once or twice a year, but is has been used very successfully year-round with obese people. They are medically supervised, as anyone should be who follows a regime of this type longterm.
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Editing out the pic and reference link for whooshes
Because OP is on a dangerous VLCD that will decimate LBM0 -
sweetteadrinker2 wrote: »Alrighty....
Patience is a virtue coveted by many and possessed by few. You're young, you haven't had time to develop it, you don't know your own body yet, etc
Now that that's out of the way:
800 calories is in no way enough for a 19 year old male!
Nothing about dieting is going to be quick, and you can't just go back to eating whatever you want after you lose the weight either. 800 calories is lower than my bear minimum as a 19 year old female, probably shorter and lighter than yourself. 3-4 months feels like forever looking at it on a calendar, but it's not. It's really no time at all. You have the rest of your life that you need your health for. Your body is still developing, your skull won't fuse till your 25, the bones in your spine and feet are still calcifying, you can do serious damage to yourself eating this way. And quite frankly it's stupid. You want to be fit, lean, strong, catch yourself a nice girl? This is not the way. Lose it slowly so your skin snaps back, hit those weights and get some bad-*kitten* muscles going on, eat food. And plenty of it. No woman wants to regularly out eat her man.
And yes, you can be losing muscle mass, youre not eating enough to maintain it. You look worse now because you're probably trying to strangle your organs and your body is bloody pissed at you!
Most people who do PSMFs on their own are extremely well-informed. They don't pick a calorie or protein goal out of a hat -- they've researched the recommendations -- and they know they need to go on a healthy, balanced maintenance diet afterwards.
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