Toxins... Oh Noes!

Orphia
Orphia Posts: 7,097 Member
edited November 2024 in Health and Weight Loss
Every day we get threads on detoxes aiming to rid the body of these mysterious toxins.

What exactly ARE toxins, and should we be worried about them?

You need to read this, or failing that, the main points I've summarised below.

http://fitnessreloaded.com/most-common-food-toxins/



The dose makes the poison. Small doses of "toxic" substances can be quite harmless. We are prone to worrying needlessly.

Detoxing does nothing to reduce these toxins.

What are the 4 most common toxins?
  • Lead - highly monitored; “dietary intake of lead by a 2-year-old child has dropped more than 90 percent since 1979";
  • Methylmercury - mostly found in a few forms of seafood; The FDA is currently revising their 2004 guidelines for pregnant women in order to encourage them to eat more fish!
  • Pthalates in plastic - there is no evidence of any harm done to anyone
  • Pesticides - 95% of pesticide residues are less toxic than caffeine!

But what about the children??? “People are exposed to a lot of different compounds but we know that eating a really good diet during pregnancy is absolutely critical and has enormous beneficial effects, that taking prenatal vitamins is very beneficial and probably the key thing in terms of a child’s development is stimulation of the child. Read to your child. Play with your child. Talk to your child. All those things are just incredibly important and probably have much more effect, positive effect than these chemicals are having negative effects."

After spending more than 15 hours researching for this article – The author came down to three conclusions:
I’m much safer than I thought I was.
Still, I should keep washing my fruits and vegetables for pesticide residue. This is common sense.
I should keep an eye on but not necessarily worry about food toxins. Instead I can put my mental resources somewhere else. Let me expand on this.
I feel that even though our food is getting safer, our toxicophobia is getting worse.

Toxicophobia: An insane or greatly exaggerated dread of poisons.

Put your energy into worrying about real issues that matter. The Nepal earthquake. The violence in Nigeria. Genital mutilation. Sexism.

Stop wasting everyone's time and your own money on detoxes and phobias that do nothing to help anyone.
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  • Alatariel75
    Alatariel75 Posts: 18,929 Member
    Funnily, one of the most dangerous, deadly and recognisable toxins in food is in a bunch of foods no one ever says not to eat - apples, almonds lima beams, spinach and soy to name some. Cyanide is a very well known toxin...
  • zyxst
    zyxst Posts: 9,151 Member
    But the sugar!
  • Alluminati
    Alluminati Posts: 6,208 Member
    The only thing that's toxic is the mindset. Enough already. Great post!
  • crazyjerseygirl
    crazyjerseygirl Posts: 1,252 Member

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  • Azexas
    Azexas Posts: 4,334 Member
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  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    nice post OP …

    hopefully, this will be taken the correct way.

  • IsaackGMOON
    IsaackGMOON Posts: 3,358 Member
    no u need 2 detoxify if u eat any toxins or chemikillzzz!!!!!1one!11!
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    no u need 2 detoxify if u eat any toxins or chemikillzzz!!!!!1one!11!

    wasn't dr dre's detox album about detoxing???? bahahahahahahaha
  • IsaackGMOON
    IsaackGMOON Posts: 3,358 Member
    ndj1979 wrote: »
    no u need 2 detoxify if u eat any toxins or chemikillzzz!!!!!1one!11!

    wasn't dr dre's detox album about detoxing???? bahahahahahahaha

    It was indeed :laugh:
  • Alyssa_Is_LosingIt
    Alyssa_Is_LosingIt Posts: 4,696 Member
    <3

    Great post!
  • Dariasen
    Dariasen Posts: 145 Member
    I have a child with ASD. As much as toxins and woo-science subjects may come up on these boards it's nothing compared to most autism message boards. Somedays I'm afraid of giving myself a concusion from all the *headdesks*.
  • Liftng4Lis
    Liftng4Lis Posts: 15,149 Member
    Nice. Unfortunately, they won't listen :cry:
  • Cherimoose
    Cherimoose Posts: 5,208 Member
    Pthalates in plastic - there is no evidence of any harm done to anyone

    It's spelled "phthalates". Few human studies have been done, so it's too early to tell. The CDC (Centers for Disease Control) says:
    "Human health effects from exposure to low levels of phthalates are unknown. More research is needed to assess the human health effects of exposure to phthalates."
    cdc.gov/biomonitoring/phthalates_factsheet.html
    Orphia wrote: »
    [*] Pesticides - 95% of pesticide residues are less toxic than caffeine!

    So if my math is correct, that means 5% of pesticide residue is more dangerous than caffeine. Well how dangerous are they? If they're very dangerous, which foods have them? Let's not sweep the issue under the rug. B)

    Speaking of pesticides, one thing almost never studied is the interaction effect of multiple pesticides. Even though chemicals can be safe when tested individually, some can chemically combine to create new compounds that aren't safe. Nobody talks about this.

    By the way, i agree about opposing genital mutilation.. especially circumcision. What an awful first impression of the world for a baby.
  • schandler1011
    schandler1011 Posts: 83 Member
    If you eat well it shouldn't be a problem. Cancer and obesity rates are out of control, but we don't live like our grandparents did. That is what we should focus on. Local and organic food.
  • professionalHobbyist
    professionalHobbyist Posts: 1,316 Member
    Please list second hand smoke

    Every agency had tried to prove it is a health risk and failed

  • besaro
    besaro Posts: 1,858 Member
    i predict this will go weird fast as well.
  • SLLeask
    SLLeask Posts: 489 Member
    Please list second hand smoke

    Every agency had tried to prove it is a health risk and failed

    I don't know if it's an actual health risk or not, but it's gross!! :s
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  • dubird
    dubird Posts: 1,849 Member
    Please list second hand smoke

    Every agency had tried to prove it is a health risk and failed

    It is if you have asthma.
  • ncboiler89
    ncboiler89 Posts: 2,408 Member
    If you eat well it shouldn't be a problem. Cancer and obesity rates are out of control, but we don't live like our grandparents did. That is what we should focus on. Local and organic food.

    Not sure if serious.
  • MamaBirdBoss
    MamaBirdBoss Posts: 1,516 Member
    There are actually a HUGE number of naturally-occurring toxins. They're pretty much harmless at the doses we eat them at, and some are even considered beneficial! DO thoroughly peel any potatoes with green under the skin, though. That can totally make you sick.

    There are other rarer ones like the products created by various bacteria that can contaminate food and stuff like botulism.

    Pthalates is one that I WOULD be concerned about shortened ano-genital distance in boys is a sign of seriously messed up hormones. I would very much like to see them controlled much more rigorously than they are now.

    Fortunately, the pesticides that are associated with problems with children are banned in the US and have been for at least 20 years. And rates of lead contamination are far, far lower.

    The most common toxic exposure that affects people at seriously worrying levels is probably radon, though. That's mostly in the form of a gas and in well water.
  • MamaBirdBoss
    MamaBirdBoss Posts: 1,516 Member
    Please list second hand smoke

    Every agency had tried to prove it is a health risk and failed

    Untrue. Second-hand smoke has been associated with a huge amount of health problems. It gave my grandfather emphysema, so I'd really prefer you not spreading Big Tobacco lies, mkay?
  • MamaBirdBoss
    MamaBirdBoss Posts: 1,516 Member
    edited July 2015
    If you eat well it shouldn't be a problem. Cancer and obesity rates are out of control, but we don't live like our grandparents did. That is what we should focus on. Local and organic food.

    Our grandparents lived much shorter lives. And they did die from cancer--more often than we do, in fact.

    Our grandparents weren't eating "local" food, either. NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE has "eaten local" in the Western world except in periods of economic crisis and depression since Egypt became the bread basket of the Mediterranean 2300 years ago.

    What do you think people were trading in all their ships? Unicorn farts? It was fiber for textiles, textiles themselves, and FOOD. Lots and lots and lots of FOOD traded hundreds and thousands of miles over several thousand years.
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  • crazyjerseygirl
    crazyjerseygirl Posts: 1,252 Member
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  • midpath
    midpath Posts: 246 Member
    Please list second hand smoke

    Every agency had tried to prove it is a health risk and failed

    I had to re read this a couple times. Um, second hand smoke is pretty well known to be harmful.

    I actually wrote a paper on this in college and it was interesting but the studies done said that for it to be an impact you had to have the equivalent situation as being enclosed on an airplane with every other person smoking for it to make an impact...you know what let me try to find that again. There were a few other interesting ones as well. But its still freaking disgusting.
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  • ljmorgi
    ljmorgi Posts: 264 Member
    If you eat well it shouldn't be a problem. Cancer and obesity rates are out of control, but we don't live like our grandparents did. That is what we should focus on. Local and organic food.

    I refuse to give up bananas, which don't grow in Indiana.
  • Kalikel
    Kalikel Posts: 9,603 Member
    edited July 2015
    Please list second hand smoke

    Every agency had tried to prove it is a health risk and failed

    I had to re read this a couple times. Um, second hand smoke is pretty well known to be harmful.

    Smoking itself is well-known to be harmful, but nobody can prove that it caused any single death. You cannot say, "This man got lung cancer because he smoked." There's never any way to know for sure. Not yet, anyway. In the 70s and 80s, there was tons of arguing about it. This scientist or doctor says "There is no proof that it caused the cancer that killed anyone!" (True dat), another one says, "So what? We still know it's bad for you! Don't be a ding-dong!"

    They finally put labels on the cigarettes saying it increases risk. There was another big lawsuit in the early 90s. I forget but what it was about, but the lawyers on the side of the cigarette people won that one.

    There's good reason not to smoke! It absolutely increases your risk of cancer. You'd be a fool to take the, "It's only a correlation, not a causation, so I'll smoke!" approach. But there is not, technically proof that it causes cancer.

    They say it now, "it causes cancer," but they can't prove this or that person died because of the smoking.

    Second-hand smoke is even harder to make a link with.
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