Help with sugar intake.
Options
Replies
-
sallymason88 wrote: »I have lowered my sugar goal to 28 grammes of sugar to reflect the recent advice to keep sugar to 7 teaspoons a day. What puzzles me is the sugar in fruit/veg. can i subtract that figure from the 28, or should i count it. i think that the body will just treat it as it would refined sugar, but i am not sure. i eat a couple of apples a day so it would use up nearly the days quota. any advice is welcome.
OP, unfortunately, that WHO recommendation does not exclude the sugar in fruits and vegetables.
In 1822, the average American ate the amount of sugar found in one of today's 12-ounce sodas every 5 days. Now, we eat that much every 7 hours.
0 -
Wow...that's quite the change.0
-
Sugar is bad - sugar has no nutritional value - sugar will make you fat.
Don't add sugar to anything - avoid fruit juice - if you want fruit juice eat the whole fruit - avoid processed foods (food industry lie to us to sell their rubbish food) eat whole ingredients - make your meals from basic ingredients - I've upped my protein - upped my fat and slightly reduced carbs - I've binned sugar and with minimal exercise maintained my weight and found the 6 pack that was behind the layer of fat the sugar was keeping in place
No to all of those. Sugar isn't bad, or your fruit would be bad too. It has nutritional value, carbs and calories for energy for your body to use, and it won't make you fat unless you're at a calorie surplus.0 -
Sugar is bad - sugar has no nutritional value - sugar will make you fat.
Don't add sugar to anything - avoid fruit juice - if you want fruit juice eat the whole fruit - avoid processed foods (food industry lie to us to sell their rubbish food) eat whole ingredients - make your meals from basic ingredients - I've upped my protein - upped my fat and slightly reduced carbs - I've binned sugar and with minimal exercise maintained my weight and found the 6 pack that was behind the layer of fat the sugar was keeping in place
No, sugar is not bad and does not make you fat. Your whole post comes across as a scare tactic.
I lost 44 pounds with ALL sugars as part of my diet, and I manta in the same way.0 -
Sugar is bad - sugar has no nutritional value - sugar will make you fat.
Don't add sugar to anything - avoid fruit juice - if you want fruit juice eat the whole fruit - avoid processed foods (food industry lie to us to sell their rubbish food) eat whole ingredients - make your meals from basic ingredients - I've upped my protein - upped my fat and slightly reduced carbs - I've binned sugar and with minimal exercise maintained my weight and found the 6 pack that was behind the layer of fat the sugar was keeping in place
@Sales283, All you put here is a fearmongering post filled with lies.0 -
Sugar is bad - sugar has no nutritional value - sugar will make you fat.
Don't add sugar to anything - avoid fruit juice - if you want fruit juice eat the whole fruit - avoid processed foods (food industry lie to us to sell their rubbish food) eat whole ingredients - make your meals from basic ingredients - I've upped my protein - upped my fat and slightly reduced carbs - I've binned sugar and with minimal exercise maintained my weight and found the 6 pack that was behind the layer of fat the sugar was keeping in place
This is just not true. Sugar will not make you fat - eating too many calories will.0 -
nvsmomketo wrote: »nvsmomketo wrote: »It is not the doctors, it is the scientists who study diabetes who are saying that sugar is not the cause, and never has been. Health officials on both sides of the Atlantic are saying that we need to cut sugar consumption in order to reduce obesity and the health risks that accompany it. Obesity is the #2 most common risk factor in diabetes (after genetics) but it is not the sugar consumed, it is the excess fat that puts you at risk.
Unfortunately, because diabetes is a disease of the endocrine system that causes a person to not process carbohydrates and the glucose they put into the bloodstream properly, most people put 2 and 2 together but only came up with 3. Not handling sugar properly is the symptom, not the cause. Scientists don't know what actually trips the switch. Obesity is on the rise, as is diabetes. BUT diabetes is on the rise at a slower rate than obesity is so gaining fat, and the diet that causes you to gain fat, isn't the ultimate trigger.
ETA: I lived through the 80's "eating fat will make you fat" deal and this whole "sugar is the cause of all our ills" is the same thing. In about 20 years it will probably be some amino acid in protein that will make us fat. We are fat because our diets are not balanced, we are eating larger portions, and we are not moving as much as we used to 100 years ago.
So diabetes is not related to sugar intake? You truly believe that?
Nope. Sugar does not cause diabetes.
I didn't say "cause". You don't think it is related to sugar intake? So theoretically, a fat Inuit should have the same rates of diabetes as a fat N. American who eats most of their calories from processed foods with a high carb content? I know that isn't true.
I am fairly certain that sugar plays a role in developing diabetes, not the only cause, but a role. I think science is moving in that direction too.
Only to the extent that a diabetic must limit their carbs, including sugar, because their body does not properly metabolize sugar,. Obesity and genetics play a big role.
I don't think the OP said he/she is diabetic.0 -
nvsmomketo wrote: »nvsmomketo wrote: »It is not the doctors, it is the scientists who study diabetes who are saying that sugar is not the cause, and never has been. Health officials on both sides of the Atlantic are saying that we need to cut sugar consumption in order to reduce obesity and the health risks that accompany it. Obesity is the #2 most common risk factor in diabetes (after genetics) but it is not the sugar consumed, it is the excess fat that puts you at risk.
Unfortunately, because diabetes is a disease of the endocrine system that causes a person to not process carbohydrates and the glucose they put into the bloodstream properly, most people put 2 and 2 together but only came up with 3. Not handling sugar properly is the symptom, not the cause. Scientists don't know what actually trips the switch. Obesity is on the rise, as is diabetes. BUT diabetes is on the rise at a slower rate than obesity is so gaining fat, and the diet that causes you to gain fat, isn't the ultimate trigger.
ETA: I lived through the 80's "eating fat will make you fat" deal and this whole "sugar is the cause of all our ills" is the same thing. In about 20 years it will probably be some amino acid in protein that will make us fat. We are fat because our diets are not balanced, we are eating larger portions, and we are not moving as much as we used to 100 years ago.
So diabetes is not related to sugar intake? You truly believe that?
Nope. Sugar does not cause diabetes.
I didn't say "cause". You don't think it is related to sugar intake? So theoretically, a fat Inuit should have the same rates of diabetes as a fat N. American who eats most of their calories from processed foods with a high carb content? I know that isn't true.
I am fairly certain that sugar plays a role in developing diabetes, not the only cause, but a role. I think science is moving in that direction too.
Only to the extent that a diabetic must limit their carbs, including sugar, because their body does not properly metabolize sugar,. Obesity and genetics play a big role.
I don't think the OP said he/she is diabetic.
Correct. I don't believe the OP ever said she was diabetic. I was responding to another poster who brought up her T2Dm, who said she does not limit sugars so she believes the OP did not need to either. I was clarifying her belief and correcting an interpretation of something I typed in response, I then added my own belief, which differed based on the science I have read.
I guess my opinion differs in some ways from yours as well. C'est la vie.
0 -
nvsmomketo wrote: »nvsmomketo wrote: »nvsmomketo wrote: »It is not the doctors, it is the scientists who study diabetes who are saying that sugar is not the cause, and never has been. Health officials on both sides of the Atlantic are saying that we need to cut sugar consumption in order to reduce obesity and the health risks that accompany it. Obesity is the #2 most common risk factor in diabetes (after genetics) but it is not the sugar consumed, it is the excess fat that puts you at risk.
Unfortunately, because diabetes is a disease of the endocrine system that causes a person to not process carbohydrates and the glucose they put into the bloodstream properly, most people put 2 and 2 together but only came up with 3. Not handling sugar properly is the symptom, not the cause. Scientists don't know what actually trips the switch. Obesity is on the rise, as is diabetes. BUT diabetes is on the rise at a slower rate than obesity is so gaining fat, and the diet that causes you to gain fat, isn't the ultimate trigger.
ETA: I lived through the 80's "eating fat will make you fat" deal and this whole "sugar is the cause of all our ills" is the same thing. In about 20 years it will probably be some amino acid in protein that will make us fat. We are fat because our diets are not balanced, we are eating larger portions, and we are not moving as much as we used to 100 years ago.
So diabetes is not related to sugar intake? You truly believe that?
Nope. Sugar does not cause diabetes.
I didn't say "cause". You don't think it is related to sugar intake? So theoretically, a fat Inuit should have the same rates of diabetes as a fat N. American who eats most of their calories from processed foods with a high carb content? I know that isn't true.
I am fairly certain that sugar plays a role in developing diabetes, not the only cause, but a role. I think science is moving in that direction too.
Only to the extent that a diabetic must limit their carbs, including sugar, because their body does not properly metabolize sugar,. Obesity and genetics play a big role.
I don't think the OP said he/she is diabetic.
Correct. I don't believe the OP ever said she was diabetic. I was responding to another poster who brought up her T2Dm, who said she does not limit sugars so she believes the OP did not need to either. I was clarifying her belief and correcting an interpretation of something I typed in response, I then added my own belief, which differed based on the science I have read.
I guess my opinion differs in some ways from yours as well. C'est la vie.
I said I limit total carbs, not sugars as a separate entity, per the advice of my doctor who is a Certified Diabetic Specialist. Sugar is just a subset of carbs anyway and the body turns all carbs into glucose. The only difference between sugars and the more complex carbs like starches is the time it takes for it to be processed into glucose.
My point was that even diabetics (unless they are taking insulin) are being told not to worry about sugars per se, but to be concerned with total carb intake. If a diabetic doesn't have to track sugars separately, someone with no medical issues shouldn't be too concerned either. Just figure out what your carb macro should be and work to hit it with a variety of foods.
0 -
nvsmomketo wrote: »nvsmomketo wrote: »nvsmomketo wrote: »It is not the doctors, it is the scientists who study diabetes who are saying that sugar is not the cause, and never has been. Health officials on both sides of the Atlantic are saying that we need to cut sugar consumption in order to reduce obesity and the health risks that accompany it. Obesity is the #2 most common risk factor in diabetes (after genetics) but it is not the sugar consumed, it is the excess fat that puts you at risk.
Unfortunately, because diabetes is a disease of the endocrine system that causes a person to not process carbohydrates and the glucose they put into the bloodstream properly, most people put 2 and 2 together but only came up with 3. Not handling sugar properly is the symptom, not the cause. Scientists don't know what actually trips the switch. Obesity is on the rise, as is diabetes. BUT diabetes is on the rise at a slower rate than obesity is so gaining fat, and the diet that causes you to gain fat, isn't the ultimate trigger.
ETA: I lived through the 80's "eating fat will make you fat" deal and this whole "sugar is the cause of all our ills" is the same thing. In about 20 years it will probably be some amino acid in protein that will make us fat. We are fat because our diets are not balanced, we are eating larger portions, and we are not moving as much as we used to 100 years ago.
So diabetes is not related to sugar intake? You truly believe that?
Nope. Sugar does not cause diabetes.
I didn't say "cause". You don't think it is related to sugar intake? So theoretically, a fat Inuit should have the same rates of diabetes as a fat N. American who eats most of their calories from processed foods with a high carb content? I know that isn't true.
I am fairly certain that sugar plays a role in developing diabetes, not the only cause, but a role. I think science is moving in that direction too.
Only to the extent that a diabetic must limit their carbs, including sugar, because their body does not properly metabolize sugar,. Obesity and genetics play a big role.
I don't think the OP said he/she is diabetic.
Correct. I don't believe the OP ever said she was diabetic. I was responding to another poster who brought up her T2Dm, who said she does not limit sugars so she believes the OP did not need to either. I was clarifying her belief and correcting an interpretation of something I typed in response, I then added my own belief, which differed based on the science I have read.
I guess my opinion differs in some ways from yours as well. C'est la vie.
I said I limit total carbs, not sugars as a separate entity, per the advice of my doctor who is a Certified Diabetic Specialist. Sugar is just a subset of carbs anyway and the body turns all carbs into glucose. The only difference between sugars and the more complex carbs like starches is the time it takes for it to be processed into glucose.
My point was that even diabetics (unless they are taking insulin) are being told not to worry about sugars per se, but to be concerned with total carb intake. If a diabetic doesn't have to track sugars separately, someone with no medical issues shouldn't be too concerned either. Just figure out what your carb macro should be and work to hit it with a variety of foods.
i'm sorry. I didn't mean to misquote you.0 -
nvsmomketo wrote: »nvsmomketo wrote: »So diabetes is not related to sugar intake? You truly believe that?
Nope. Sugar does not cause diabetes.
I didn't say "cause". You don't think it is related to sugar intake? So theoretically, a fat Inuit should have the same rates of diabetes as a fat N. American who eats most of their calories from processed foods with a high carb content? I know that isn't true.
I am fairly certain that sugar plays a role in developing diabetes, not the only cause, but a role. I think science is moving in that direction too.
@nvsmomketo I think you'd probably find this blog post by Dr. Malcom Kendrick as interesting as I did. He's states unequivocally the current hypothesis is wrong and that a better hypothesis starts with excess carbs and sugar.
What happens to the carbs – part II
0 -
AlabasterVerve wrote: »nvsmomketo wrote: »nvsmomketo wrote: »So diabetes is not related to sugar intake? You truly believe that?
Nope. Sugar does not cause diabetes.
I didn't say "cause". You don't think it is related to sugar intake? So theoretically, a fat Inuit should have the same rates of diabetes as a fat N. American who eats most of their calories from processed foods with a high carb content? I know that isn't true.
I am fairly certain that sugar plays a role in developing diabetes, not the only cause, but a role. I think science is moving in that direction too.
@nvsmomketo I think you'd probably find this blog post by Dr. Malcom Kendrick as interesting as I did. He's states unequivocally the current hypothesis is wrong and that a better hypothesis starts with excess carbs and sugar.
What happens to the carbs – part II
The picture draws a weird conclusion. Kinda like "There's chain smokers who never get lung cancer, ergo smoking doesn't cause cancer."0 -
nvsmomketo wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »nvsmomketo wrote: »sallymason88 wrote: »I have lowered my sugar goal to 28 grammes of sugar to reflect the recent advice to keep sugar to 7 teaspoons a day. What puzzles me is the sugar in fruit/veg. can i subtract that figure from the 28, or should i count it. i think that the body will just treat it as it would refined sugar, but i am not sure. i eat a couple of apples a day so it would use up nearly the days quota. any advice is welcome.
If you are counting sugars then you should include fruit in that 28g total.
Except that she specifically said that her concern about the 28 g number was due to recommendations from authorities such as the NHS, and that number refers only to non-intrinsic (or added) sugars.
We can debate how significant it is to someone monitoring her overall diet carefully (I personally don't see a big deal if someone exchanges some highly processed starches for some added sugar, keeping calories even, for example), but there's absolutely no credible advice that suggests that the general population should keep all sugars under 28 grams, and OP has not suggested that she has some other reason to do so, like a desire to go low carb.
It would be nice if people wouldn't preach low carb as the answer for everyone. It's not.
I don't think I "preached low carbs as the answer to everyone". As many around here say, sugar is sugar. If you count sugars it makes sense to count them all and not skip sugars from fruit, or sugars from a favourite candy, or sugars eaten on a Tuesday when the moon is full. Sugar is sugar.
If she wants to keep sugar below 28g she will need to restrict fruit at some point. If she wants to eat lots of fruit, she shouldn't worry about counting sugars since there is a lot of sugar in fruit.
Take it up with the WHO and the NHS and the AHA, as that's where the numbers she's referring to come from. And since they are really concerned with sugar as a proxy for nutritional content and calories, they don't focus on fruit (juice and honey, sure).0 -
AlabasterVerve wrote: »nvsmomketo wrote: »nvsmomketo wrote: »So diabetes is not related to sugar intake? You truly believe that?
Nope. Sugar does not cause diabetes.
I didn't say "cause". You don't think it is related to sugar intake? So theoretically, a fat Inuit should have the same rates of diabetes as a fat N. American who eats most of their calories from processed foods with a high carb content? I know that isn't true.
I am fairly certain that sugar plays a role in developing diabetes, not the only cause, but a role. I think science is moving in that direction too.
@nvsmomketo I think you'd probably find this blog post by Dr. Malcom Kendrick as interesting as I did. He's states unequivocally the current hypothesis is wrong and that a better hypothesis starts with excess carbs and sugar.
What happens to the carbs – part II
Thanks for that link. I DID find it interesting.You eat too much carbohydrate/sugar
You produce too much insulin
This forces your body to store fat
You become obese
At a certain point insulin resistance develops to block further weight gain
This resistance becomes more and more severe until…
You become diabetic
That is basically how I have come to think of T2DM, and it fits me very well. I have never been obese, have great HDL, too low triglcerides, low blood pressure, but slightly high normal LDL and prediabetes. I don't fit the usual model.
Up to my 30's I ate everything, mostly high carb (which wasn't ideal for my undiagnosed celiac disease), and was very fit running half marathons, climbing mountains a few days per week, and could bench press my (lighter) weight. I used to arm wrestle the football players in classroom, and beat them far more often than they expected.
In my thirties in started to fall apart. I had 3 kids, was quite fatigued (probably due to my unrecognized health issues) and I started to use food for energy, and eventually higher carb foods for even more energy. Then I neded to eat more frequently, every 2-3 hours, to keep that energy going.
At first I added produce, baked goods (muffins, cookies or crackers) and treats (diet cola) as my boost, without greatly increasing calories. Once I discovered I needed to be gluten free I lost some weight eating a moderate to high carb diet.
When I was 39 I first discovered my blood glucose was higher than it should be. Surprising because I was barely overweight, not yet 40, and had great labs. I tried to moderate my carbs and failed miserably and repeatedly by gaining more weight over the last 2 years.
At this time my sugar cravings were a distraction from my life. I started eating pop and/or candy to get my sugar/energy hit. I knew it wasn't good for me but I would feel poorly when I had low carbs. Those behaviors took me frmly into prediabetes at 5'8" and about 175lbs - not obese but overweight by a good 10lbs (according to BMI). Lucky for me I carry that weight fairly well due to a large frame. I know, I know... we overweight people all say we have a big frame, but my dad played professional football and my chest, measured below and above my breasts at my armpits, is 36" like a small would be in men's clothing. I'm not petite.
To me, it seemed as though I became prediabetic, presumably partially from a high carb diet which caused fluctations in insulin, then I ate more carbs, gained weight, and became more prediabetic, wanting to eat high sugar carbs.
Now, I am eating low carbs, not prediabetic, eating at a calorie deficit, and losing weight (about 10lbs in the last month) without any substantial sugar or carb cravings. That article resonates with me and my experiences.0 -
Apologies to the OP. I hijacked your thread.0
-
nvsmomketo wrote: »Apologies to the OP. I hijacked your thread.
I enjoyed it! lots of similarities to your story, minus the celiac.0 -
its ok, i got my answer along the way !0
-
sallymason88 wrote: »i dont have a medical condition, but anything i have read recently points to sugar and not fat being a problem with weight issues. I am in the UK and the latest advice is to half the previous advice of equivalent 14 teaspoons to 7.
Neither sugar nor fat cause weight issues. Only eating more calories than you burn does.0 -
AlabasterVerve wrote: »nvsmomketo wrote: »nvsmomketo wrote: »So diabetes is not related to sugar intake? You truly believe that?
Nope. Sugar does not cause diabetes.
I didn't say "cause". You don't think it is related to sugar intake? So theoretically, a fat Inuit should have the same rates of diabetes as a fat N. American who eats most of their calories from processed foods with a high carb content? I know that isn't true.
I am fairly certain that sugar plays a role in developing diabetes, not the only cause, but a role. I think science is moving in that direction too.
@nvsmomketo I think you'd probably find this blog post by Dr. Malcom Kendrick as interesting as I did. He's states unequivocally the current hypothesis is wrong and that a better hypothesis starts with excess carbs and sugar.
What happens to the carbs – part II
Thanks, great link and read! I'm understanding it as the Doc proposing that eating excess carbs causes diabetes, right?
0 -
stevencloser wrote: »
No to all of those. Sugar isn't bad, or your fruit would be bad too. It has nutritional value, carbs and calories for energy for your body to use, and it won't make you fat unless you're at a calorie surplus.
Sugar IN fruit is fine; which is what I said. Refined Sugar has no nutritional value AT ALL.
Extracting fruit juice is not a good idea as you are mainly concentrating sugars. Humans do not NEED added sugars.
Just out of interest are you based in USA?0
Categories
- All Categories
- 1.4M Health, Wellness and Goals
- 391.6K Introduce Yourself
- 43.5K Getting Started
- 259.7K Health and Weight Loss
- 175.6K Food and Nutrition
- 47.3K Recipes
- 232.3K Fitness and Exercise
- 393 Sleep, Mindfulness and Overall Wellness
- 6.4K Goal: Maintaining Weight
- 8.5K Goal: Gaining Weight and Body Building
- 152.7K Motivation and Support
- 7.8K Challenges
- 1.3K Debate Club
- 96.3K Chit-Chat
- 2.5K Fun and Games
- 3.3K MyFitnessPal Information
- 23 News and Announcements
- 937 Feature Suggestions and Ideas
- 2.3K MyFitnessPal Tech Support Questions