Sugar in fruit
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I in NO way think you're stupid nor was I implying that. I'm just saying that correlation does not imply causation. If you find it convenient to limit your carbs and sugars and you don't enjoy those foods, then simply do not eat them.
did i anywhere say that i didn't enjoy them? no i watched them because i was taught/felt that watching them helped me with my weight-loss. you are insisting that it did not. that is your opinion. i don't happen to agree. the tone i get from you is somewhat patronizing regarding the fact that my opinion differs from yours.0 -
So instead of correcting individuals or providing them with information that they have asked objective opinions on, such as OP, I should just agree with statements that are untrue? I wish that people would have been blunt with me years ago when I thought the only way to lose weight was to eat chicken, broccoli, rice, almonds, natural peanut butter, etc. Eating like that for me caused an ED that led to excessive binges on foods, such as fruit, that I had been depriving myself of for no good reason at all other that other people's misunderstanding of nutrition. I jump at the oppurtunity to provide LIBERATING information to people.0
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many on this site are very focused on jumping at the chance to contradict and one-up others opinions on these forums. i tried to avoid that when disagreeing with the person whose post i responded to. i would have appreciated it if those that responded to my post offered me the same respect.
I apologize if my posts came across the wrong way. I applaud you on your weight loss.
Maybe I'm just cranky right now because I still have a lot more calories to eat today!0 -
mapex, hey , what works for you, may not work for some one else. Again, Im male, older, 56 and I did my weight loss differently that say, a 20 year old female.........again, were all different
If I have learned one thing coming to this site, its that theres NOT ONE CERTAIN way to lose weight ...........It varies, were all diferent, and one diet doesnt apply to all
sorry, no one told you about fruit...........I wished, really wish that the school systems would encorporate nutrition in their school programs...........sad, 2/3 of this country is oveweight, and the kids are starting to die in masses
over 60 K kids die yearly because of obesity, and 110 K adults also die because of the effects of obesity.............really, whos right and whos wrong on this?0 -
Missingthepoint.
I give up.
Fruit/sugar in general is terrible, don't eat carbs after 6 (or at all for better results), make sure to eat breakfast, eat six small meals a day to stoke that metabolic fire, don't eat anything processed, it will give you cancer.
Edit: I apologize for bluntness, again, but nutritional myths and misinformation are my biggest issue.0 -
mapex, thats why experience is the best teacher..................got it?0
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Experience in what?0
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listening to some one elses experience in their weight loss plan........again, Im no expert, dont pretend to be one
just trying to help fat people get unfat, just like me........read my bio, I must have done something right........again, Im only trying to help this lady lose weight..........thats it, I m not trying to be the latest PHD, or MBA here........just some ones whos gone thru hell being morbidly obese, and now trying to share my experiences with anyone who needs to help...........thats my experience.........Best wishes, Lloyd0 -
make sure to eat breakfast, eat six small meals a day to stoke that metabolic fire,
And also to stave off catabolizm!0 -
listening to some one elses experience in their weight loss plan........again, Im no expert, dont pretend to be one
just trying to help fat people get unfat, just like me........read my bio, I must have done something right........again, Im only trying to help this lady lose weight..........thats it, I m not trying to be the latest PHD, or MBA here........just some ones whos gone thru hell being morbidly obese, and now trying to share my experiences with anyone who needs to help...........thats my experience.........Best wishes, Lloyd
I nothing but applaud anyone's attempts at providing testimonials to weight loss. I myself went from 315 at my highest to 173.
I'm just saying that people make losing weigh WAY too hard when all it comes down to is energy balance, calories in vs. calories out. Common sense, also IMO, would imply that getting those foods from mostly whole sources is beneficial in achieving adequate vitamin and mineral intake, but is NOT required to lose weight. I am losing a steady pound a week eating foods that I enjoy, and not depriving myself of any one food as long as it fits into the context of my required macronutrient intake. This is NOT an isolated case, it is in fact universal.
Again, MUCH congrats on the weight loss and the continued healthy lifestyle.0 -
OMG.... I'm in the same boat. Today is the 1st day I'm tracking my sugar and much to my dismay.... after only eating breakfast (0% chobani blueberry yogurt & a banana) I am already over my sugar for the day! I had planned on eating more fruit today but now I'm not sure I should.0
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Edit: I apologize for bluntness, again, but nutritional myths and misinformation are my biggest issue.
and of course what you have to offer so bluntly is fact and what others offer is misinformation...0 -
Maybe I'm just cranky right now because I still have a lot more calories to eat today!
its all cool. i wish i had a lot of calories left to eat too!0 -
Edit: I apologize for bluntness, again, but nutritional myths and misinformation are my biggest issue.
and of course what you have to offer so bluntly is fact and what others offer is misinformation...
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If you don't mind me asking, what information that I've provided to you find to be incorrect?
I too have ~1800 calories to eat this evening. Lol0 -
Fruit is terrible??? Ok, I'm not buying that one! Sorry!0
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Fruit is terrible??? Ok, I'm not buying that one! Sorry!
Lol, sorry, was being sarcastic.0 -
If you don't mind me asking, what information that I've provided to you find to be incorrect?
that calorie deficit is the only thing that effects weight loss. i stated that my opinion on that differs from you in my very first post in this thread.0 -
Why do you not believe that, apart from personal experience? You cannot defy the basic laws of thermodynamics and energy balance.0
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there are many many dieticians, doctors and nutritionists that teach weight-loss methods that incorporate counting carbs into their programs. as the very first post that started this whole thread points out mfp itself sets a very low sugar goal for its users. if calories were absolutely the only thing effecting weight-loss then the consumption of carbs/calories would be irrelevant except as you have said (repeatedly) for their caloric content. i am not a scientist, or a nutritionist, or a doctor but i find it hard to believe that all the programs that are built around watching carbs and sugars in addition to calories are completely barking up the wrong tree. i understand that a calorie is a basic measure of heat/energy and that our body transfers calories into fat and energy and back again and all that but my layman's understanding is that carbs/sugar in can lead to less fat-burning when you are in weight-loss mode. i don't have the scientific knowledge to go tit for tat with you on this, but that doesn't strip me of my right to disagree with you. i originally posted that i disagreed with you but i never declared you "wrong". my bone to pick with you was that you is that you can't simply agree to disagree but rather have to insist that i am wrong and do so in a fairly patronizing way...0
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there are many many dieticians, doctors and nutritionists that teach weight-loss methods that incorporate counting carbs into their programs. as the very first post that started this whole thread points out mfp itself sets a very low sugar goal for its users. if calories were absolutely the only thing effecting weight-loss then the consumption of carbs/calories would be irrelevant except as you have said (repeatedly) for their caloric content. i am not a scientist, or a nutritionist, or a doctor but i find it hard to believe that all the programs that are built around watching carbs and sugars in addition to calories are completely barking up the wrong tree. i understand that a calorie is a basic measure of heat/energy and that our body transfers calories into fat and energy and back again and all that but my layman's understanding is that carbs/sugar in can lead to less fat-burning when you are in weight-loss mode. i don't have the scientific knowledge to go tit for tat with you on this, but that doesn't strip me of my right to disagree with you. i originally posted that i disagreed with you but i never declared you "wrong". my bone to pick with you was that you is that you can't simply agree to disagree but rather have to insist that i am wrong and do so in a fairly patronizing way...
My issue is I find it hard to "agree to disagree" when numerous scientific, peer reviewed, controlled studies have been posted that point out the fact that manipulating any one given macronutrient will have adverse/accelerated effects on weight loss. Misinformation, as it stands, and the spreading of it, is the main cause of confusion when it comes to dietary sciences. I am again not implying that a "low carb" approach to dieting will not yield results. It is just yielding those results due to a caloric deficit.
Insulin does prevent fat oxidation, but at the end of the day, the same amount of energy will be oxidized. Like I've stated, TRANSIENT hormonal fluctuations bear very little effect on body weight and body composition in the context of proper daily nutrition.
I end the discussion with that. This is me agreeing to disagree.0 -
Sugar affects your body the same regardless of its source. Yes, that includes fruit. Its fructose - a type of sugar. Search the forums for this. There are tons of threads on it.
This is a misleading statement when it comes to fruit. The sugar in fruits to not impact the body the same as refined sugars simply due to the fiber in fruit. The fiber makes it much more difficult for the body to metabolize the sugars in fruit. The end result ends up being that a large percentage of the sugar in fruit actually passes through as waste instead of being absorbed by the body.0 -
2 things I have noticed in eating fruit
one, it really helps in digestion, esp eating mangos or any fleshy fruit, which is a good thing
two, think about this...........how many obese people ever got that way eating too many strawberries.?
Something to think about..............0 -
2 things I have noticed in eating fruit
one, it really helps in digestion, esp eating mangos or any fleshy fruit, which is a good thing
two, think about this...........how many obese people ever got that way eating too many strawberries.?
Something to think about..............
This is easily explained by the fact that strawberries are much less calorically dense in comparison to processed foods or foods high in refined sugars.0
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