protein
Bansh3e
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Hy guys I have a question about protein.Do you count protein from pasta,bread,vegetables, nuts ..etc or just from meat?.It`s a plant protein similar to animal protein in term of body composition and building muscle?
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You count protein from all sources, but all protein is not created equal.0
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Yes I count all my macros from everything I eat or drink.0
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Not all proteins are created equal, but you don't have to match all the various kinds to meet your protein goals. Let MFP do the maths for you and let your body do the mixing and matching. Protein combining has been debunked.0
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So basically it does not matter from where i take my protein if it is protein, my body will will use it properly.That explains why vegans can build muscle,they protein is from plants.Even protein shake is dairy protein.0
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Not all proteins are created equal, but you don't have to match all the various kinds to meet your protein goals. Let MFP do the maths for you and let your body do the mixing and matching. Protein combining has been debunked.
The only people who really need to focus on ensuring complimentary proteins are those on very restrictive diets -vegans for example- since most average people get varied enough sources that incomplete protein is a non-issue.0 -
Not all proteins are created equal, but you don't have to match all the various kinds to meet your protein goals. Let MFP do the maths for you and let your body do the mixing and matching. Protein combining has been debunked.
The only people who really need to focus on ensuring complimentary proteins are those on very restrictive diets -vegans for example- since most average people get varied enough sources that incomplete protein is a non-issue.
My apologies to all...I don't mean to hijack this thread but SixxPoint, would you please elaborate on your first comment above "all protein is not created equal"...? I am sincerely interested in knowing why.0 -
Not all proteins are created equal, but you don't have to match all the various kinds to meet your protein goals. Let MFP do the maths for you and let your body do the mixing and matching. Protein combining has been debunked.
The only people who really need to focus on ensuring complimentary proteins are those on very restrictive diets -vegans for example- since most average people get varied enough sources that incomplete protein is a non-issue.
My apologies to all...I don't mean to hijack this thread but SixxPoint, would you please elaborate on your first comment above "all protein is not created equal"...? I am sincerely interested in knowing why.
I'm not expert on this, but some proteins only contain certain amino acids, the "building blocks" of muscle. Different proteins have different absorption rates. For example, whey protein is absorbed more rapidly than casein.
There are other differences. For example, some have linked excessive amounts of soy protein to estrogen production in men. Not sure how well-researched this is.0 -
I'm not expert on this, but some proteins only contain certain amino acids, the "building blocks" of muscle. Different proteins have different absorption rates. For example, whey protein is absorbed more rapidly than casein.
There are other differences. For example, some have linked excessive amounts of soy protein to estrogen production in men. Not sure how well-researched this is.[/quote]
Thank you for your brief explanation kwtilbury. I appreciate it!0 -
Not all proteins are created equal, but you don't have to match all the various kinds to meet your protein goals. Let MFP do the maths for you and let your body do the mixing and matching. Protein combining has been debunked.
The only people who really need to focus on ensuring complimentary proteins are those on very restrictive diets -vegans for example- since most average people get varied enough sources that incomplete protein is a non-issue.
But I linked to the wiki article that explains that protein combining for vegetarians has been debunked. It turns out that even vegetarian bodies can manage to cobble together the proteins they need.
Here's a start along the long road to understand amino acids and protein. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amino_acid
In short, don't worry about it.0 -
Not all proteins are created equal, but you don't have to match all the various kinds to meet your protein goals. Let MFP do the maths for you and let your body do the mixing and matching. Protein combining has been debunked.
The only people who really need to focus on ensuring complimentary proteins are those on very restrictive diets -vegans for example- since most average people get varied enough sources that incomplete protein is a non-issue.
But I linked to the wiki article that explains that protein combining for vegetarians has been debunked. It turns out that even vegetarian bodies can manage to cobble together the proteins they need.
Here's a start along the long road to understand amino acids and protein. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amino_acid
In short, don't worry about it.
Correction: Vegetarians vs. Vegans.
Completely different.0 -
Not all proteins are created equal, but you don't have to match all the various kinds to meet your protein goals. Let MFP do the maths for you and let your body do the mixing and matching. Protein combining has been debunked.
The only people who really need to focus on ensuring complimentary proteins are those on very restrictive diets -vegans for example- since most average people get varied enough sources that incomplete protein is a non-issue.
My apologies to all...I don't mean to hijack this thread but SixxPoint, would you please elaborate on your first comment above "all protein is not created equal"...? I am sincerely interested in knowing why.
Complete vs. incomplete proteins as well as different levels of bioavailability.0 -
I linked the wiki article that explains that protein combining for vegans and/or vegetarians has been debunked. One does not need to "protein combine" the vegetarian sources of protein for vegans or vegetarians to get a complete protein.0
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As I said, "The only people who really need to focus on ensuring complimentary proteins are those on very restrictive diets -vegans for example- since most average people get varied enough sources that incomplete protein is a non-issue."
Wiki is not a legit source.
Vegans are extremely strict with their diets. It's a lifestyle change, not just a diet.0 -
Generally speaking, vegan protein sources are slightly more likely to be limited in lysine and tryptophan. Chances are that with enough protein, a person will still hit the RDA for the particular amino acids.0
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What I love about wiki is that it cites it's sources. The whole idea of "complimentary proteins" has been debunked. I'm old enough to remember when this was gospel, and I'm old enough to see it die.
"With three important exceptions, there is little danger of protein deficiency in a plant food diet. The exceptions are diets very heavily dependent on [1] fruit or on [2] some tubers, such as sweet potatoes or cassava, or on [3] junk food (refined flours, sugars, and fat). Fortunately, relatively few people in the world try to survive on diets in which these foods are virtually the sole source of calories. In all other diets, if people are getting enough calories, they are virtually certain of getting enough protein."[10] - Lappe', "Diet for a Small Planet"0 -
What I love about wiki is that it cites it's sources. The whole idea of "complimentary proteins" has been debunked. I'm old enough to remember when this was gospel, and I'm old enough to see it die.
"With three important exceptions, there is little danger of protein deficiency in a plant food diet. The exceptions are diets very heavily dependent on [1] fruit or on [2] some tubers, such as sweet potatoes or cassava, or on [3] junk food (refined flours, sugars, and fat). Fortunately, relatively few people in the world try to survive on diets in which these foods are virtually the sole source of calories. In all other diets, if people are getting enough calories, they are virtually certain of getting enough protein."[10] - Lappe', "Diet for a Small Planet"
The truth is that Vegans have a much harder time hitting adequate protein levels than non-Vegans. Even so, if you're not consuming meat or dairy then you are not getting the same sort of protein as everyone else. The protein that Vegans consume is typically not as bioavailable or complete. It is much more difficult to get a complete array of bioavailable protein as a Vegan. I know the actual science behind this and besides that, it is common sense. Broccoli is not going to give you the same protein as Beef.0 -
What I love about wiki is that it cites it's sources. The whole idea of "complimentary proteins" has been debunked. I'm old enough to remember when this was gospel, and I'm old enough to see it die.
"With three important exceptions, there is little danger of protein deficiency in a plant food diet. The exceptions are diets very heavily dependent on [1] fruit or on [2] some tubers, such as sweet potatoes or cassava, or on [3] junk food (refined flours, sugars, and fat). Fortunately, relatively few people in the world try to survive on diets in which these foods are virtually the sole source of calories. In all other diets, if people are getting enough calories, they are virtually certain of getting enough protein."[10] - Lappe', "Diet for a Small Planet"
The truth is that Vegans have a much harder time hitting adequate protein levels than non-Vegans. Even so, if you're not consuming meat or dairy then you are not getting the same sort of protein as everyone else. The protein that Vegans consume is typically not as bioavailable or complete. It is much more difficult to get a complete array of bioavailable protein as a Vegan. I know the actual science behind this and besides that, it is common sense. Broccoli is not going to give you the same protein as Beef.
Yes, but if all I eat is beef, then I'm still not getting a full complement of proteins, right?0 -
Oh, I'm harping on vegans/vegetarians to watch that they are getting enough protein all the time. But there is no need to match up or complement the various protein sources to make them complete in each meal. That has been debunked. Cited. Done.
I am pretty sure since this idea has been debunked, then weight lifters similarly don't have to worry about doctoring together the precise cocktail of proteins pre-workout, after workout, during workout, or whenever.0
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