Raw vegan - perfect way to regain Heath
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you should check out durian rider and freelee's videos on youtube, they have some very interesting ideas.0
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Well, day one back into my raw vegan diet... All I have had that was "cooked" was coffee so far today. Any support for me? Yes, I do need attention. No, I do not regret that. I know me. I NEED PEOPLE.0
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Way to go! I did raw vegan for a bit and have just started going back to raw on the weekdays (I'm not up for 24/7 yet!)0
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Gaz_Palmer wrote: »Hi. I am a vegan, but just joined MFP to lose some weight.
I want to kick out most or preferably all the processed foods, sauces and breads. Then move to a much more raw food diet.
I don't see what the big issues against raw food diet are (actually the same old tired excuses- a good one about raw food means you can't get warm! Lol). I think the negative people just want to project they're own personality failings on to others'.
You just eat fruit veggies beans nuts and salads (never been eating out anywhere where you can't get a salad!) etc...just without messing with them, or covering them with cr@p.
I am quite sure my distaste for cold foods when it's cold has nothing to do with personality failings.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Gaz_Palmer wrote: »Hi. I am a vegan, but just joined MFP to lose some weight.
I want to kick out most or preferably all the processed foods, sauces and breads. Then move to a much more raw food diet.
I don't see what the big issues against raw food diet are (actually the same old tired excuses- a good one about raw food means you can't get warm! Lol). I think the negative people just want to project they're own personality failings on to others'.
You just eat fruit veggies beans nuts and salads (never been eating out anywhere where you can't get a salad!) etc...just without messing with them, or covering them with cr@p.
I am quite sure my distaste for cold foods when it's cold has nothing to do with personality failings.
Well, there is also research that shows that humans only developed bigger brains once they could free and concentrate nutrients by cooking.0 -
hamlet1222 wrote: »you should check out durian rider and freelee's videos on youtube, they have some very interesting ideas.
Interesting ideas is an interesting way to put it.0 -
Been there, done that, not going back....
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hamlet1222 wrote: »you should check out durian rider and freelee's videos on youtube, they have some very interesting ideas.
Interesting is one way to put it. Not the words I'd use.0 -
kshama2001 wrote: »Gaz_Palmer wrote: »Hi. I am a vegan, but just joined MFP to lose some weight.
I want to kick out most or preferably all the processed foods, sauces and breads. Then move to a much more raw food diet.
I don't see what the big issues against raw food diet are (actually the same old tired excuses- a good one about raw food means you can't get warm! Lol). I think the negative people just want to project they're own personality failings on to others'.
You just eat fruit veggies beans nuts and salads (never been eating out anywhere where you can't get a salad!) etc...just without messing with them, or covering them with cr@p.
I am quite sure my distaste for cold foods when it's cold has nothing to do with personality failings.
Well, there is also research that shows that humans only developed bigger brains once they could free and concentrate nutrients by cooking.
It was a great boon to mankind when fire was discovered and food could be cooked. It resulted in more nutrition being available.
I believe many can benefit from eating more raw foods, but going totally raw is silly unless it is done in response to a specific illness or condition.0 -
hamlet1222 wrote: »you should check out durian rider and freelee's videos on youtube, they have some very interesting ideas.
They actually spread some of the worst misinformation out there. They are the WORST offenders of the "You can totally eat as much as you want and you CANT get fat on fruit!" and "SMASH IN THE CALORIES! MINIMUM 3000 CALORIES FOR WOMEN!" and "We totally don't do excessive amounts of exercise to justify our ridiculous calorie intake".
Don't get me started on the moral-weird stances they take like "all men should get a visectomy", "Women shouldn't take birth control", and "you shouldn't get chemo for cancer because a raw food diet can cure it".0 -
theresaalva81 wrote: »
Unfortunately, it is true. It is very important that vegans eat enough nuts, legumes, and seeds to ensure they are getting enough total protein but especially the essential amino acid lysine.
In addition you must take a supplement of vitamin b12, vitamin d, and ensure you're eating enough calcium and non-heme iron.
It's important to note that these things CAN be done on a vegan diet but require careful planning. Many of the people who are sprouting the "Eat 80/10/10" and "just eat whole foods you can't eff it up" and ESPECIALLY "raw vegans" are deficient in the above. So is it ignorant to just say "well i can't get enough protein" on a vegan diet? Yes. But it's also equally as ignorant to say it's a "myth" and completely irrelevant.
And contrary to popular nonsense sprouted by the vegan "youtube community" there IS such a thing as protein deficiency.0 -
rainbowbow wrote: »theresaalva81 wrote: »
Unfortunately, it is true. It is very important that vegans eat enough nuts, legumes, and seeds to ensure they are getting enough total protein but especially the essential amino acid lysine.
In addition you must take a supplement of vitamin b12, vitamin d, and ensure you're eating enough calcium and non-heme iron.
It's important to note that these things CAN be done on a vegan diet but require careful planning. Many of the people who are sprouting the "Eat 80/10/10" and "just eat whole foods you can't eff it up" and ESPECIALLY "raw vegans" are deficient in the above. So is it ignorant to just say "well i can't get enough protein" on a vegan diet? Yes. But it's also equally as ignorant to say it's a "myth" and completely irrelevant.
And contrary to popular nonsense sprouted by the vegan "youtube community" there IS such a thing as protein deficiency.
While it's true that vegans have to supplement vitamin B12 (or eat fortified foods), vitamin D supplementation isn't necessary for all vegans (although, like non-vegans, some of us do supplement). While a vegan diet won't have Vitamin D (unless it is consumed via fortified foods), about ten minutes a day of sunlight will allow us to produce what we need. Of course, there are valid health concerns with sun exposure, which is why some vegans choose to supplement.0 -
janejellyroll wrote: »While it's true that vegans have to supplement vitamin B12 (or eat fortified foods), vitamin D supplementation isn't necessary for all vegans (although, like non-vegans, some of us do supplement). While a vegan diet won't have Vitamin D (unless it is consumed via fortified foods), about ten minutes a day of sunlight will allow us to produce what we need. Of course, there are valid health concerns with sun exposure, which is why some vegans choose to supplement.
That's ten minutes of very direct (e.g. noontime) sun over a large skin surface such as you present if you're laying down in a bathing suit. And it's for Caucasians - those with darker skin tones can require more than an hour for the same effect, as melanin reduces your effective UV exposure and slows the rate of vitamin D synthesis.0 -
The reason I can't be a vegan/vegetarian...................................there are no plants that taste or have the texture of meat. Especially bacon. That AIN'T no excuse, that's the reality.Gaz_Palmer wrote: »Hi. I am a vegan, but just joined MFP to lose some weight.
I want to kick out most or preferably all the processed foods, sauces and breads. Then move to a much more raw food diet.
I don't see what the big issues against raw food diet are (actually the same old tired excuses- a good one about raw food means you can't get warm! Lol). I think the negative people just want to project they're own personality failings on to others'.
You just eat fruit veggies beans nuts and salads (never been eating out anywhere where you can't get a salad!) etc...just without messing with them, or covering them with cr@p.
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There are lots of things that take lots of discipline/determination/dedication: dancing, bodybuilding, competitive sports, music, etc.
But it's mostly a preference for all above that WANT to do it. If one doesn't want to do it, it doesn't mean they aren't disciplined/lack determination/lack dedication personally. It just means they don't have it for whatever thing they may detest or dislike.
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rankinsect wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »While it's true that vegans have to supplement vitamin B12 (or eat fortified foods), vitamin D supplementation isn't necessary for all vegans (although, like non-vegans, some of us do supplement). While a vegan diet won't have Vitamin D (unless it is consumed via fortified foods), about ten minutes a day of sunlight will allow us to produce what we need. Of course, there are valid health concerns with sun exposure, which is why some vegans choose to supplement.
That's ten minutes of very direct (e.g. noontime) sun over a large skin surface such as you present if you're laying down in a bathing suit. And it's for Caucasians - those with darker skin tones can require more than an hour for the same effect, as melanin reduces your effective UV exposure and slows the rate of vitamin D synthesis.
The sources I have read say face and arms exposure for 10-15 minutes for light-skinned people at a sunny time (that is, a time when a sunburn would be possible). For darker skinned people, I have read 20 minutes, but it may indeed vary by how dark your skin is.0 -
Cool story bro.0
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janejellyroll wrote: »rankinsect wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »While it's true that vegans have to supplement vitamin B12 (or eat fortified foods), vitamin D supplementation isn't necessary for all vegans (although, like non-vegans, some of us do supplement). While a vegan diet won't have Vitamin D (unless it is consumed via fortified foods), about ten minutes a day of sunlight will allow us to produce what we need. Of course, there are valid health concerns with sun exposure, which is why some vegans choose to supplement.
That's ten minutes of very direct (e.g. noontime) sun over a large skin surface such as you present if you're laying down in a bathing suit. And it's for Caucasians - those with darker skin tones can require more than an hour for the same effect, as melanin reduces your effective UV exposure and slows the rate of vitamin D synthesis.
The sources I have read say face and arms exposure for 10-15 minutes for light-skinned people at a sunny time (that is, a time when a sunburn would be possible). For darker skinned people, I have read 20 minutes, but it may indeed vary by how dark your skin is.
In any case, if one were to get all of their vitamin D in this manner it would still require careful planning and consistency. Depending on the climate you live in it may even be impossible.
Supplementing is the best option in my opinion. Even if one chooses to get their vitamin d from the sun only it is an important factor to consider and keep in mind while planning a vegan diet. Again, I am mainly stressing that it is easy to be an "unhealthy" vegan and that to thrive on this lifestyle you must do careful planning to avoid deficiencies.0 -
In the Habit book by Duhigg, the author points out that all Olympic athletes are obsessives.
"dedication, determination and discipline", I believe, can create it's own reward loop, where the person compulsively follows the program to get that glowy, "clean" feeling.
What happens when the person falls off the dedication train? Is it a failure to eat outside the program? Is it a balanced way to live?0 -
rainbowbow wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »rankinsect wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »While it's true that vegans have to supplement vitamin B12 (or eat fortified foods), vitamin D supplementation isn't necessary for all vegans (although, like non-vegans, some of us do supplement). While a vegan diet won't have Vitamin D (unless it is consumed via fortified foods), about ten minutes a day of sunlight will allow us to produce what we need. Of course, there are valid health concerns with sun exposure, which is why some vegans choose to supplement.
That's ten minutes of very direct (e.g. noontime) sun over a large skin surface such as you present if you're laying down in a bathing suit. And it's for Caucasians - those with darker skin tones can require more than an hour for the same effect, as melanin reduces your effective UV exposure and slows the rate of vitamin D synthesis.
The sources I have read say face and arms exposure for 10-15 minutes for light-skinned people at a sunny time (that is, a time when a sunburn would be possible). For darker skinned people, I have read 20 minutes, but it may indeed vary by how dark your skin is.
In any case, if one were to get all of their vitamin D in this manner it would still require careful planning and consistency. Depending on the climate you live in it may even be impossible.
Supplementing is the best option in my opinion. Even if one chooses to get their vitamin d from the sun only it is an important factor to consider and keep in mind while planning a vegan diet. Again, I am mainly stressing that it is easy to be an "unhealthy" vegan and that to thrive on this lifestyle you must do careful planning to avoid deficiencies.
Supplementing or eating fortified foods may be the best choice for many vegans (and non-vegans, many of whom in the US receive most of their vitamin D through fortified foods). I was simply responding to the statement that vegans "must" supplement vitamin D, as this isn't true.0 -
Gaz_Palmer wrote: »Hi. I am a vegan, but just joined MFP to lose some weight.
I want to kick out most or preferably all the processed foods, sauces and breads. Then move to a much more raw food diet.
I don't see what the big issues against raw food diet are (actually the same old tired excuses- a good one about raw food means you can't get warm! Lol). I think the negative people just want to project they're own personality failings on to others'.
You just eat fruit veggies beans nuts and salads (never been eating out anywhere where you can't get a salad!) etc...just without messing with them, or covering them with cr@p.
I wouldn't cover any food with crap, brought or cooked; that's just not healthy. Fecal matter will make you sick.0 -
Raw vegan?
Think of all the living screaming plants and fruits that one must chew through... The horror...
I say give the veggies a quick, humane death before consuming.
Oh yes, cooked veggies have more bioavailability than raw...0
we vegans here that all the time.
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