Could a healthy person have a toxic liver?
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Traveler120 wrote: »All this talk about detox is making me feel like maybe part of it is real...
Congratulations, you're one of the ones the diet scam industry is looking for! Plenty of people fall for the pseudoscience and false claims they continually spew out, which is why the diet/supplement industry is a multi-billion dollar per year racket.Traveler120 wrote: »Well, considering the current obesity and chronic disease statistics, many people are walking toxic waste dumps from all the garbage they put into their bodies and their lack of activity.
We'd be eternally grateful if you could name a few of the specific toxins for us. Not just "you know, TEH TOXINZZZ!!1!!", but specific toxins. Preferably ones which aren't naturally 'cleansed' by normal biological functions.
Well, for starters, how about the most recent one, processed meats, carcinogenic per WHO, and maybe excessive red meat as well? Next, everything under the umbrella of processed foods is to be kept to an absolute minimum. Everyone knows this. If these weren't toxic to our bodies, then cancer, diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure etc wouldn't be disproportionately high in developed countries which consume them in larger quantities compared to other regions/communities where these chronic diseases are less rampant and where whole foods (mostly plants) are the staples.
Still didn't see one toxin named there.
Processed meats is not a toxin btw.0 -
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What the heck is a "toxic liver"? I'm not being sarcastic, I really don't know this jargon.0
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I have a problem with my liver function. General consensus from my endo and my PCP are this: my poorly functioning liver is a result of poorly controlled diabetes, poorly controlled thyroid condition, and being obese. So here is what I'm doing to "detox" my liver: I'm controlling my diabetes, we've increased my thyroid medication, and I'm eating less and moving more to lose weight.
I'm picking up a new lab slip this afternoon. I'm hopeful that just taking better care of myself has made a difference over the past almost 4 months. I'm down almost 50 pounds. I went from barely being able to walk a 20 minute mile to doing a combo of walking and running and doing a mile in 16-17 minutes. I'm pretty darn excited to see what my new(ish) way of eating has done for my lab work.
So I would say to ignore cleanses and detoxes and focus on getting your body on a path to good health. Take any medications regularly and as directed, eat less, move more, and focus on your fitness. That's the best "detox" around.0 -
eugenia94102 wrote: »What the heck is a "toxic liver"? I'm not being sarcastic, I really don't know this jargon.
There is no such thing.
But some people post asking about how they can de-tox their livers.0 -
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eugenia94102 wrote: »What the heck is a "toxic liver"? I'm not being sarcastic, I really don't know this jargon.
Well, toxic hepatitis is an inflammation of your liver in reaction to certain substances to which you're exposed. Toxic hepatitis can be caused by alcohol, chemicals, drugs or nutritional supplements. It would be a problem that a reputable doctor (a real doctor) should diagnose and be consulted about, of course.
The "toxic liver" thing -- which I was unaware of too, but googling can be sadly enlightening -- is a nasty scam and way to sell people stupid stuff based on largely self-diagnosis (are you tired? are you having trouble losing weight? take this short quiz to see if you might have a "toxic liver" and read about how all these people lost 10 lbs from doing this "cleanse"). So upsetting.
Some good sources for the truth (directed at the thread as a whole, this post was just a nice jumping off point):
http://lowfatveganchef.com/the-liver-and-gallbladder-flush-is-dangerous-and-a-scam/
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/would-you-like-a-liver-flush-with-that-colon-cleanse/
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-detox-scam-how-to-spot-it-and-how-to-avoid-it/
http://www.health.harvard.edu/family_health_guide/the-dubious-practice-of-detox
Even Andrew Weil: http://www.drweil.com/drw/u/QAA326652/Is-Liver-Cleansing-Dangerous.html
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Traveler120 wrote: »Well, for starters, how about the most recent one, processed meats, carcinogenic per WHO, and maybe excessive red meat as well?
Red meat and processed meats are not "toxins", and the article was a scaremongering piece which was more about correlation than causation. Your body is perfectly equipped to handle and eliminate the things people call 'toxins' which are in the food we eat. Alcohol is the most common toxin we take in, and the body does a good job of processing and eliminating it (until somebody's intake goes to ridiculous levels - in which case, even water is a "toxin" because too much of it can kill you). Dosage and context matter.Traveler120 wrote: »Next, everything under the umbrella of processed foods is to be kept to an absolute minimum. Everyone knows this...
Source? (other than some raw vegan propaganda page, please.) Oh, and please don't cite some crackpot quack like Mercola...rolling my eyes gives me a headache. "Processed foods" is an awfully wide (and vaguely defined) umbrella to make such a statement.Traveler120 wrote: »If these weren't toxic to our bodies, then cancer, diabetes, heart disease, high blood pressure etc wouldn't be disproportionately high in developed countries which consume them in larger quantities compared to other regions/communities where these chronic diseases are less rampant and where whole foods (mostly plants) are the staples.
So it would have nothing to do with the ridiculously high intake and ridiculously low activity levels of developed societies? We're fat and diseased because we eat too much, don't employ moderation and move too little. We eat like pigs and sit on our butts all day in our cars, our offices, our couches. They've cut physical education from most school programs and kids sit on their butts and play video games rather than being outside playing and moving around. You don't see these same patterns in less developed countries where there's not such an abundance of food and they move a lot more due to manual labor, lack of cars/public transportation, etc. But then again, the overall life expectancy is significantly lower in most of those societies due to many other chronic diseases (not related to obesity/inactivity) being much higher due to malnutrition and lack of basic medical care. Once again, correlation does not equal causation.0 -
@gaelicstorm26 what a great testimonial. I am also grateful for getting my life back. Getting my insulin/sugar balance sure made a huge difference for my energy levels. Increasing my cardiovascular strength is a close second.0
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I think everyone knows what I meant. I have an uncle on dialysis, so I'm well aware, but thanks for your "clarification" that you felt the need to post.0 -
catscats222 wrote: »why does a polar bear have toxic levels of vitamin A?
Many arctic animals, including sled dogs / huskies and arctic foxes, have levels of vitamin A that are toxic to humans. It may be some kind of adaptation that might help with surviving such climates.
You don't need to worry so much about vitamin A in supplements and vegetables as instead of actual vitamin A, those are usually beta carotene that your body turns into vitamin A and your body won't create toxic levels of it.0 -
There is a type of dialysis for liver failure as well. My father was on it.0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »And this is exactly why I am pro-climate change. We've got to neutralize the insidious threat of polar bears livers.
Hey! I don't like this! Your infringing on my right to armed bears!!!
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tincanonastring wrote: »And this is exactly why I am pro-climate change. We've got to neutralize the insidious threat of polar bears livers.
Hey! I don't like this! Your infringing on my right to armed bears!!!
Oh, they can keep their arms. It's the livers we're after!0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »And this is exactly why I am pro-climate change. We've got to neutralize the insidious threat of polar bears livers.
Hey! I don't like this! Your infringing on my right to armed bears!!!
Oh, they can keep their arms. It's the livers we're after!
But they're armed with toxic livers. Won't someone think of the children?0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »And this is exactly why I am pro-climate change. We've got to neutralize the insidious threat of polar bears livers.
Hey! I don't like this! Your infringing on my right to armed bears!!!
Oh, they can keep their arms. It's the livers we're after!
But they're armed with toxic livers. Won't someone think of the children?
Wait, now we're after children, too? I might not be okay with going after kid livers.0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »And this is exactly why I am pro-climate change. We've got to neutralize the insidious threat of polar bears livers.
Hey! I don't like this! Your infringing on my right to armed bears!!!
Oh, they can keep their arms. It's the livers we're after!
But they're armed with toxic livers. Won't someone think of the children?
Wait, now we're after children, too? I might not be okay with going after kid livers.
But they're so healthy and free of toxins! It's like eating the heart of your enemy to gain their courage. You eat the liver of a child to gain their detoxicifying powers.0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »And this is exactly why I am pro-climate change. We've got to neutralize the insidious threat of polar bears livers.
Hey! I don't like this! Your infringing on my right to armed bears!!!
Oh, they can keep their arms. It's the livers we're after!
But they're armed with toxic livers. Won't someone think of the children?
Wait, now we're after children, too? I might not be okay with going after kid livers.
But they're so healthy and free of toxins! It's like eating the heart of your enemy to gain their courage. You eat the liver of a child to gain their detoxicifying powers.
So, if I'm reading things correctly, the only way to have a non-toxic liver is to cannibalize a child's liver?0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »And this is exactly why I am pro-climate change. We've got to neutralize the insidious threat of polar bears livers.
Hey! I don't like this! Your infringing on my right to armed bears!!!
Oh, they can keep their arms. It's the livers we're after!
But they're armed with toxic livers. Won't someone think of the children?
Wait, now we're after children, too? I might not be okay with going after kid livers.
But they're so healthy and free of toxins! It's like eating the heart of your enemy to gain their courage. You eat the liver of a child to gain their detoxicifying powers.
So, if I'm reading things correctly, the only way to have a non-toxic liver is to cannibalize a child's liver?
Well sure, it sounds like a bad idea when you put it out there directly, but is it really worse than living a life with toxins you can't identify, probably because they don't exist?0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »And this is exactly why I am pro-climate change. We've got to neutralize the insidious threat of polar bears livers.
Hey! I don't like this! Your infringing on my right to armed bears!!!
Oh, they can keep their arms. It's the livers we're after!
But they're armed with toxic livers. Won't someone think of the children?
Wait, now we're after children, too? I might not be okay with going after kid livers.
But they're so healthy and free of toxins! It's like eating the heart of your enemy to gain their courage. You eat the liver of a child to gain their detoxicifying powers.
So, if I'm reading things correctly, the only way to have a non-toxic liver is to cannibalize a child's liver?
Well sure, it sounds like a bad idea when you put it out there directly, but is it really worse than living a life with toxins you can't identify, probably because they don't exist?
I'm sold. Where can I get kids' livers to detox my poison-riddled body?0 -
I think everyone knows what I meant. I have an uncle on dialysis, so I'm well aware, but thanks for your "clarification" that you felt the need to post.
You are welcome!0 -
I don't know much about eating the livers of healthy people. They are a lot harder to find on the black market.0
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They taste the best, though. Especially with fava beans and a nice chianti.0
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catscats222 wrote: »the last 10 posts were not really helpful.
I was helped.0 -
If you have liver disease (which would be the only way to have a toxic liver), you are by definition not healthy.0
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catscats222 wrote: »the last 10 posts were not really helpful.
The question was answered far before that.0 -
catscats222 wrote: »the last 10 posts were not really helpful.
Actually laughter is very beneficial to humans
http://www.helpguide.org/articles/emotional-health/laughter-is-the-best-medicine.htm0 -
I don't know much about eating the livers of healthy people. They are a lot harder to find on the black market.
Blackmarket? You need to go out and get fresh child liver yourself. Preferable from a top quality pedigree, only fed Non-GMO, organic, and only grass-fed meats child liver.0
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