Being poor/ food insecurity
sallymarcus413
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Hello! How do those of you with limited or no income support a healthy lifestyle? I've also been having increased food anxiety and feel the need to ration everything I eat, as I'm increasingly nervous about not having enough. I live in a very remote area with no access to transportation and don't start working until mid December.
Has anyone experienced food insecurity anxieties? How have you maintained a healthy a nutritious diet? I mostly eat oatmeal and though I have a few fresh things in my pantry, once they run out I don't know when I'll have an opportunity to get more food. I'm hoping to build a chicken coop soon, but they will also take some money.
Thank you!
Has anyone experienced food insecurity anxieties? How have you maintained a healthy a nutritious diet? I mostly eat oatmeal and though I have a few fresh things in my pantry, once they run out I don't know when I'll have an opportunity to get more food. I'm hoping to build a chicken coop soon, but they will also take some money.
Thank you!
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We've been there. It's a hard place to be. We accepted all food offerings, my husband has a farmer friend that gave us potatoes, when neighbors had fruit or veggies from their garden, we gladly accepted. I learned to can, to preserve any and all extras. What I didn't can, I froze or dehydrated. I took a tiny flowerbed and grew carrots, peas and green beans in it. (much to the chagrin of my elderly neighbor with immaculate flower beds, lol.)
I honestly can say, that at times, we weren't very healthy (potatoes and a few things from wic for weeks) but we were lucky enough to never go hungry.
Beans can be your best friend once you know what to do with them. I wish you didn't have to go through this.0 -
Growing up poor is part of what got me into the position I am in now...stuff that comes out of a cardboard box does not typically constitute the healthiest of diets. However, being poor also taught me the fine art of being able to make a tasty meal from literally anything. I had like 100 recipes for ramen alone. I've learned that some of the best staples for filling meals on the cheap are rice, beans, ground beef, cheese, and some of the basic sauces (tomato, alfredo, etc). I can make 10 - 20 different meals just from those ingredients alone.
As long as you're creative, it's entirely possible to maintain a caloric deficit and a budget while still getting the nutrition you need. I'd recommend a site like supercook.com to give you some ideas for cooking with what you have.1 -
Anyone who has lived through this stocks a full pantry ever afterwards. Is there a food bank or a church alms giving service you can take advantage of?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stone_Soup0 -
Foods I won't run out of now include flour, eggs, powdered milk, oatmeal, and butter. There a dozen recipes I can magic out of these.0
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Yes to the ramen noodles as they are inexpensive calories.
Also bread and rice. Also lentils, beans, canned or frozen veggies, peanut butter, peanuts. cabbage, potatoes, onions, carrots, collards.0 -
Thank you all for your support. There is a food bank in my area, but I live about a half hour away from any town and have recently lost my car. I plan on hitchiking into town as soon as possible, but I recently moved back into the country and have no proper warm clothes and it's like 12 degrees outside. Blah, sorry, off topic and not about food. It's just hard to focus on anything else right now.
And thank you for the suggestions of food that won't spoil. I will start being more creative with combinations of grains and beans. Some friends had a dinner party last week and gave me all of their leftovers, and it felt good to ask for help in that way.
Again, thanks for your support. I know that this is temporary, but it sucks and worrying about it is consuming a lot of mental energy. It's good to know I'm not the only one there.
Also, I'm currently trying to maintain weight, so being at a deficit isn't helpful haha0 -
We have 4 (almost) teenage sons who eat ALOT and despite my husband working full time and my working part time, our grocery budget needs to be stretched.
I save money by buying in bulk, using coupons and I plan my weekly shopping trips/menu's based on sales. I make sure to do my shopping mid week as often i come across fruits and veggies marked 50% off. (Stuff that didnt sell on the weekend) I often buy "day old" bread and other 50% reduced bakery items.
Without access to a car noone of the above will be helpful to you but maybe it will help someone else reading this thread.
In addition to the above we pick alot of fruit from mother nature. In May we pick fiddleheads along the river. Strawberries in June, Raspberries in July, Blueberries in August, Apples in October. And when i say we pick some, i'm talking buckets and buckets enough to do the whole year. I freeze, can and dehydrate the excess. My husband hunts rabbits, duck, partridge, deer and moose. I have a huge garden and grow most of our veggies from May-September.
I hope your situation changed for the better Nothing worse than food insecurity! Take care.0 -
Grandma had a big family & she always a big pot of veggie soup on the stove.Her DDs did the same,making a variety of soups.I do my part by always having soup in the freezer.One Aunt said her sons thought onion,carrots & cabbage was "cabbage soup". You can add what you have,toss some seasoning in & it's a meal.
Try to get one item at each shopping trip to stock up on.With flour & eggs,make noodles.Add a dab of sugar & yeast to make bread.Go with store brand foods,Dr up boxed food,have breakfast for dinner.With dry beans you have a base for chili,tacos,bean soup,baked beans,bean salad. Good luck & let us know how it goes. Pat0 -
Sm413, next summer a large vegetable garden. Then, can like crazy. Hunt or trap if that's an option0
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Yes, I plan on gardening this coming year! I can hunt and fish on my property, but I don't have any tags or anything. I might anyway...
I can also probably ask some friends who recently filled elk tags if I can have a bit of meat.0 -
Where do you live? There might be someone in this thread or reading it who can be a resource to you. I would love to know if I can help. I will mail you free seed and gardening seeds when winter is over if that would help at all.0
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Don't know where you live, but Google how to preserve meat.0
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You guys are all incredibly kind. I will start my job in December and hopefully many of these worries will be resolved once I have a steady income.
And I live near Bozeman, Montana for reference.0 -
And thank you guys for even just providing me a safe platform to speak of such things. I'm too embarrassed to talk to my friends about this kind of stuff.0
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I think that more people can relate then you'd realize.
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A true friend will be there good or bad. Choose wisely but give them a chance, you maybe surprised.. we ALL have dark times.1
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Since you're having to haul whatever you get back without a car, it's good to realize that foods like dried beans, peas, and lentils, rice, dry store-brand pasta, oatmeal, grits, and dried milk are light-weight as well as inexpensive. I think dried eggs are as well, but I haven't done the price comparison to fresh eggs to know for sure. I just keep some on hand in case I get snowed in and want to do some baking and save my fresh eggs for frying and scrambling.0
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Huge value in bags of dried beans. That and better portion size control... you only cook what you want. There are plenty of good people willing to help if you need it. Sometimes the hard part is asking for the help. You might also qualify for assistance programs. You'll pay taxes the rest of your life... you may as well use the hand up if or when you need it.0
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sallymarcus413 wrote: »Some friends had a dinner party last week and gave me all of their leftovers, and it felt good to ask for help in that way.
If people know of a need, they're usually more than happy to contribute. I know I would be, if a neighbor were suddenly up against hard times. Ask for help. It's usually a win-win.
Also, do check out any churches that may be in proximity. Again, when a need is known, there is often gladly-given help provided.
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Dried beans, pasta, rice, oats and frozen vegetables are good foods that are usually cheap. Clip coupons and buy on sale. Many stores will drastically reduce prices on foods that are near expiration. Buying these and freezing them is a good way to save money.
If you aren't working and have time on your hands, volunteering at a local soup kitchen is a good way to eat for free and help others.0 -
Wow I had to Google where you lived. I just can't imagine living somewhere so remote. I always say I would love to live out in the country, but even so, where I consider "country" is probably nothing like where you live.
I live in Leeds, England. I live less than 3 miles outside the 3 or 4th biggest city in the UK. So I could walk in to the City Centre. But I have a shop like 2 minute walk from where I live. And a decent sized supermarket 15 minute walk and a 30 minute walk would bring you to a huge superstore where you can buy groceries / clothes / household items.
I just found it really interesting trying to imagine the different way of living. I'd love to see what it would be like.0 -
Oh and by the way, some of the scenery brought up in the search looked amazing! Wow!0
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One thing you might consider is setting up a weekly ride into town. Put the word out to neighbors that you are looking for someone to ride along with into town, and are happy to help them with a few chores in exchange (although they probably won't take you up on it). I know most of the farmers around here run into town to the hardware store and such regularly- ask them to text or call you if they are going, and you can run out to the road and hop along.
Regarding hunting, if you have enough land to get away with it without tags, yup, i'd go ahead and hunt. Around here we have deer coming out our ears and most farmers have nuisance permits so they can shoot unlimited all year long. Everyone would be thanking you if you took an extra one If your area is similar, I'd do it in a heartbeat.
I don't know how cold it is up where you are, but we still have veggie gardens straggling along. I have herbs that are still chilling. Ask friends with gardens if they have any parsley, sage, rosemary, etc left, and if you could cut a but since you didn't get a garden in this year. Herbs liven up boring food like rice and beans, and provide micronutrients that you might not be getting many of at the moment. You might even score a plant or two that a friend lets you dig up and put in a pot on your windowsill (I've got rosemary on mine right now!).
If there are any facebook or similar groups in your area that cater to homesteading type of folks, I find our local one a great source of all.the.things. You can put a specific request out for stuff like herbs, but also people are regularly trying to find homes for old chickens that don't lay and whatnot. They just want their old/extra stuff to get used. Take advantage of that stuff!
Good luck. Don't be afraid to ask for help. Call around to social services agencies in town and ask if they have sources for stuff like winter gear as well.0 -
I've been there. I will second other's suggestions of dried beans, brown rice, and frozen vegetables. Stock up on boneless chicken thighs - they go on sale for ridiculously cheap. You can freeze it for protein later. Also, turkey after thanksgiving goes on sale for crazy cheap. Roast one, strip the meat and freeze it in individual portions. Buy high protein foods like sardines and canned tuna which keep for a long time but give you a boost of protein and beneficial fats when you need it.
During the growing season, I suggest growing vegetables. Even if you only have a small space, you can grow tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers, lettuce - pretty much anything in small container gardens. If you have more space, grow larger crops that keep well over the winter like squash, carrots, onion, pumpkins and beets. Seeds are inexpensive so you can get a lot of produce for very little money. You can start the seeds indoors in a sunny window in March to get a longer growing season and more vegetables.
You can get assistance from the Gallatin food bank - they allow you to "shop" once every thirty days. I realize you might be remote but if you can get there a few months out of the year, it can really help. There is also a great network of crop shares in the Bozeman area. Maybe one is close to you. https://www.bozo.coop/Bozeman_Area_CSAs
If you have friends who are game hunters or outdoors-men, you might be able to get a deer, antelope, some elk, trout or game birds. When I lived in Montana, I never bought meat from a store because I hunted and fished - I always had extras and gave away quite a bit every year.0 -
sallymarcus413 wrote: »Yes, I plan on gardening this coming year! I can hunt and fish on my property, but I don't have any tags or anything. I might anyway...
I can also probably ask some friends who recently filled elk tags if I can have a bit of meat.
Do you need permits on your own property? In my state you don't, but I know laws vary.0 -
Here are some other links that might be helpful to you.
http://www.bigskyfoodbank.org/resources/area-services/
http://www.cafebozeman.org/2015/01/nutrition-in-our-community/
Licenses are required for all types of wild hunting and fishing in Montana. A season long fishing license is only $26. Hunting licenses vary. I highly recommend that you not hunt or fish without a license as the fines for getting caught can be hefty.0 -
Look for groups on Facebook for your area where ppl in need can ask for assistance. I have helped a few ppl out with canned food and cat food. You will be surprised the amount of ppl willing to help. Maybe even see if you can arrange a ride to town once a week or so. We were pretty bad off this time last yr. We planned all our meals 2 weeks at a time. We also got our meat at a meat market and stocked up for a month at a time which made the meat much cheaper. Dry rice, dry beans, broth, chicken leg quarters or any chicken that is on sale. You can bulk by eggs and bread and freeze them.
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sallymarcus413 wrote: »Yes, I plan on gardening this coming year! I can hunt and fish on my property, but I don't have any tags or anything. I might anyway...
I can also probably ask some friends who recently filled elk tags if I can have a bit of meat.
People are often very willing to help; the hard part can be in asking them.
In your situation, I would totally hunt and fish on my own land, tags or no.0 -
vivmom2014 wrote: »sallymarcus413 wrote: »Some friends had a dinner party last week and gave me all of their leftovers, and it felt good to ask for help in that way.
If people know of a need, they're usually more than happy to contribute. I know I would be, if a neighbor were suddenly up against hard times. Ask for help. It's usually a win-win.
Also, do check out any churches that may be in proximity. Again, when a need is known, there is often gladly-given help provided.
Another vote for churches. They might be willing to drop food off for you. Churches always need volunteers - you could always return the favor by volunteering when you are back on your feet again.
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Check this interactive map of crises by state. Montana ranks right up there.
http://www.crisistextline.org/trends/
I live well north of you and have lived in a remote community (thankfully with many people around, and with transportation). So I know from experience that there are limits on how much you can harvest from your land, and the logistics of getting the shopping done.
Rose hips will still be good.0
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