This is so not cool! RANT!!

chris0912
chris0912 Posts: 242 Member
edited September 28 in Chit-Chat
A little back story before I get to the heart of this issue. My hubs has a cousin by marriage who is in her mid-20s with a child of her own. The father is not in the picture (by his choice) and she has never pursued taking him to court for child support. She, and her child, still live at home, not paying rent/utilities/child care/etc to her mother and step-father (who have raised 3 other free-loaders).

So, she has finally decided to do something positive for herself and her child. She has gotten onto some sort of public assistance program that is allowing her to go to school, move into an apartment on campus (a few hours away from home) and have her child in day care or school. Great! Good for her!

Today we got an invitation in the mail for a going-away party for the two of them. And the last line of the invite says "REGISTERED AT TARGET!!!" Excuse me? You have made bad decisions your entire (albeit short) adult life and we are expected to help you finance this? You CHOSE to keep your child knowing that the father didn't want to be involved. You CHOSE to not go to college when you've had opportunities to do so. You CHOSE to not save the money you earned while you were living debt and obligation free with your parents. I could go on and on.

But I guess the bottom line is this... when I moved out of my mother's house, the only people who helped me furnish my new home was myself and my parents. I would never dream of asking other people to help me out with that. If she were buying a house I could understand it. But this? No way!

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  • farfalledibaciodinotte
    farfalledibaciodinotte Posts: 181 Member
    lol. that isn't cool, her expecting you all to furnish her new apartment.. maybe she should get a job, and add to the great new experience and second chance public assistance has given her.. Honestly if you need, and I MEAN NEED Gov't assistance, then good for you and whatever, but it really gets on my nerves when people abuse the system, and think they can just get everything spoon fed to them, because they made bad decisions... and then to make matters worse, pop out more babies just to get more assistance.. anywho.. back on topic, she's in the real world now, she doesn't need to be spoon fed, what she needs is a good swift kick and some tough love. she'll be all the better off for it. :)
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    I'm confused. Is she going out of state for school? Or, has she opted not to go and has chosen to move somewhere else? If she is doing something positive for herself and her child, despite her past bad decisions, why does it bother you that she is asking for more help? How do you even know that it was her idea to register at Target? Maybe her mother suggested it.
  • KimberSt
    KimberSt Posts: 62 Member
    Why are you letting it get to you? Why not be the bigger person and offer a small gift and be done with her?
  • live2smyle
    live2smyle Posts: 592 Member
    Just skip going.
  • acave9406
    acave9406 Posts: 124 Member
    I had the same kind of issue with my husbands cousin except she doesn't have a kid, almost 30 has never paid a bill in her life, parties and gets drunk/high every night and when she decides to get her own place she has a "housewarming party" and had a list of things she needed.......my husband and I were just like uh excuse me?

    Annoying!!!!!
  • sthem5
    sthem5 Posts: 5 Member
    You are right, this is pretty tacky! We do live in an age of "entitlement syndrome". My pastor talked about this in his sermon Sunday. Not sure how we should react to this kind of situation, but hopefully she will finally get her life together and raise a child with better judgement than herself. "Mom" is definitley not helping out the freeloaders though. She evidently wants them all to be her "friends" instead of her "children" and the way to get that is to buy their love.
  • I figure, give the girl the benefit of the doubt.

    Since you moved out on your own, you know that it costs a pretty penny - perhaps she just doesn't know anyone who can give her hand-me-downs. If your that opposed to paying for some gift, maybe send her something you are no longer using that she might need (like a pot or some old glasses). I know when I moved out, my friends helped out a lot with the little things that add up - 4 years later and I still have 4 dining room chairs on loan from a friends mother as I haven't had the money to purchase my own yet.

    Maybe she only registered for stuff because people told her that's what she's supposed to do. Besides, if you don't think you should support her 'bad' decisions then don't go to the party.
  • Azuleelan
    Azuleelan Posts: 218
    So don't give her anythiing. Geeez, leave the woman alone...
  • As if no one has ever made bad decisions before and needed a little help to make things better. Isn't that why we are all here? Different story, but bottom line the same thing. We're all fat, trying to lose weight, because of bad decisions....and we're all here for support and help. Financial or not. You could support her move by just showing up and buy her a card. I'm sure she'd love that! I don't think it's fair to say it's "not cool" because she chose to keep her child, knowing the father wouldn't be there, etc. How many adopted or aborted kids would there be if everyone chose to get rid of someone because of Daddy? That's insane. Anyway, I honestly think that when people get so bent out of shape, LOL, about someone else's lives, they have got to be jealous of something!!
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    If you don't want to help her out, that is your choice. All I'm saying is, I have been in her shoes, and it takes a long time to recover from a series of bad decisions. Sometimes we even judge ourselves even more than others do. Even after you adjust your decision-making, you are still very insecure about your future decisions. People like her need to see supportive attitudes from family and friends. You should reward her effort, and look forward to seeing her attain a brighter future. But, I don't have the priviledge of first hand knowledge of the situation. Maybe you have your reasons.
  • Azuleelan
    Azuleelan Posts: 218
    As if no one has ever made bad decisions before and needed a little help to make things better. Isn't that why we are all here? Different story, but bottom line the same thing. We're all fat, trying to lose weight, because of bad decisions....and we're all here for support and help. Financial or not. You could support her move by just showing up and buy her a card. I'm sure she'd love that! I don't think it's fair to say it's "not cool" because she chose to keep her child, knowing the father wouldn't be there, etc. How many adopted or aborted kids would there be if everyone chose to get rid of someone because of Daddy? That's insane. Anyway, I honestly think that when people get so bent out of shape, LOL, about someone else's lives, they have got to be jealous of something!!

    Good one :)
  • MissJoy18
    MissJoy18 Posts: 45
    This is a really frustrating situation. If I were in your shoes, I would still attend the gathering and instead of buying a present off of the Target registry, I would buy something for her child. The child did not choose to be born in his/her situation. Since your husband's cousin isn't the only one leaving, your present would be justified. In essence, you are helping the child, not her.
  • Hearts_2015
    Hearts_2015 Posts: 12,032 Member
    Why are you letting it get to you? Why not be the bigger person and offer a small gift and be done with her?
    ^ empathy it's an incredible gift:flowerforyou:
  • BettyMargaret
    BettyMargaret Posts: 407 Member
    As if no one has ever made bad decisions before and needed a little help to make things better. Isn't that why we are all here? Different story, but bottom line the same thing. We're all fat, trying to lose weight, because of bad decisions....and we're all here for support and help. Financial or not. You could support her move by just showing up and buy her a card. I'm sure she'd love that! I don't think it's fair to say it's "not cool" because she chose to keep her child, knowing the father wouldn't be there, etc. How many adopted or aborted kids would there be if everyone chose to get rid of someone because of Daddy? That's insane. Anyway, I honestly think that when people get so bent out of shape, LOL, about someone else's lives, they have got to be jealous of something!!

    Good one :)

    Excuse me but did you just call me fat!? LOL!!! j/k of course, but GREAT outlook!
  • azlady7
    azlady7 Posts: 471 Member
    i agree with you, but some others are right about letting it go. yes its frustrating. I had a child at 19 and my mother did not enable me. Because I had no one to give me hand outs I made a way for me and my child. No help from the father either. I eventually became a foster mom and watched many many girls make very bad decisions and watched their parents enable them. It is frustrating, but take the higher road, get her a card and wish her and her child luck. Hopefully she will make the right decisions and follow through with school and improve her life :)
  • AmesLee78
    AmesLee78 Posts: 111
    What!?!? I have NEVER heard of something like this. That sounds really rude if you ask me. I wouldn't get her a damn thing.
  • reese66
    reese66 Posts: 2,920 Member
    As if no one has ever made bad decisions before and needed a little help to make things better. Isn't that why we are all here? Different story, but bottom line the same thing. We're all fat, trying to lose weight, because of bad decisions....and we're all here for support and help. Financial or not. You could support her move by just showing up and buy her a card. I'm sure she'd love that! I don't think it's fair to say it's "not cool" because she chose to keep her child, knowing the father wouldn't be there, etc. How many adopted or aborted kids would there be if everyone chose to get rid of someone because of Daddy? That's insane. Anyway, I honestly think that when people get so bent out of shape, LOL, about someone else's lives, they have got to be jealous of something!!

    Good one :)


    I agree with this...

    I was down and and out and I had a child that the dad didn't want. I had people in my life that helped me in many ways and now my baby has graduated college and I am getting kisses from my grand baby. Relax help the kid out...
  • Hearts_2015
    Hearts_2015 Posts: 12,032 Member
    As if no one has ever made bad decisions before and needed a little help to make things better. Isn't that why we are all here? Different story, but bottom line the same thing. We're all fat, trying to lose weight, because of bad decisions....and we're all here for support and help. Financial or not. You could support her move by just showing up and buy her a card. I'm sure she'd love that! I don't think it's fair to say it's "not cool" because she chose to keep her child, knowing the father wouldn't be there, etc. How many adopted or aborted kids would there be if everyone chose to get rid of someone because of Daddy? That's insane. Anyway, I honestly think that when people get so bent out of shape, LOL, about someone else's lives, they have got to be jealous of something!!

    Good one :)


    I agree with this...

    I was down and and out and I had a child that the dad didn't want. I had people in my life that helped me in many ways and now my baby has graduated college and I am getting kisses from my grand baby. Relax help the kid out...
    ^:heart:
  • mendogirl
    mendogirl Posts: 87
    the only thing that irks me about your post is the fact that you look down on the fact that she kept her baby. not something that should be looked at in a negative light.. at all. anyways.. just ignore the whole situation if it bugs you that bad.
  • Rowann
    Rowann Posts: 86
    This is a really frustrating situation. If I were in your shoes, I would still attend the gathering and instead of buying a present off of the Target registry, I would buy something for her child. The child did not choose to be born in his/her situation. Since your husband's cousin isn't the only one leaving, your present would be justified. In essence, you are helping the child, not her.

    This is definitely what I'd do too... no reason to penalise the child for your personal opinions on their mother.
  • _Aimée_
    _Aimée_ Posts: 190
    I actually think staying home with her parents whilst she has a young child is a pretty sensible thing to do.
    I fell pregnant at 20, had him at 21. I stayed with the dad but I would have loved to move back in with my mum, for financial and emotional support. If we didn't try and kill each other when we live together then that is what I would have done, and she would have had me.

    Yes she chose to keep the baby, but if I found myself in the situation of singledom it wouldn't just be a case of 'oh well, the dads gone, this is going to be difficult, might as well vacuum my baby out of me'. Geez. The love for a child is beyond anything you can ever imagine - I see from your inspirations a wee one is what you are yearning for - when you have your child you will gain a little perspective. It is so wrong to assume that every woman experiencing financial or emotional hardship should just either abort the baby, or put up with the **** cards they've been dealt. Mothers need support, education and most of all understanding and non judgemental figures in their lives.

    Maybe its different in the USA but here in the UK, or at least its all I've ever known - is to help as much as possible when somebody moves into a new place, particularly parents. My single friend has just moved into some social housing with her 2 young boys and I don't automatically think of how much she has already taken off the government in housing and welfare, I'm thinking how can I help her? Is there anything I don't need that I can give her for the house? Can I clear up the broken glass in the garden? Or fix the gate?
    I know she would do the same for me. I'm glad I have friends like her and not like you!

    Young mothers, especially single young mothers need alot of support. Its HARD. Really, really, hard. Financially, emotionally, and physically. Cut her some slack. If you don't want to get her anything then fine, but at least wish her well and good luck, but personally I'd maybe think about getting some clothes for the child in bigger sizes for her to grow into? They don't even have to be new. Kids are in them 2 minutes and second hand is almost always looks brand new anyway.
  • So don't get her a gift/go to the party if you have a problem with it. No need to blow a gasket when it really doesn't affect you; "don't sweat the small stuff" is a good idea to keep in mind.
  • Crystal817
    Crystal817 Posts: 2,021 Member
    With the whole family/single Mom back story aside, I think it's kind of tacky to hold a going away party and register for gifts. I mean seriously? When did people start requestng gifts when they move away? I thought that was saved for more special occasions... like weddings and the birth of a child. Call me old fashion...
  • sculptandtone
    sculptandtone Posts: 300 Member
    So, there's a single Mom, who after many bad decisions is finally taking the steps toward getting an education and doing what she has to to raise and support her child and herself. My first thought about registering at Target for a moving away party is that it was really tacky. But, then I thought, what is the difference between this and a bridal shower? I've been to a dozen bridal showers where I thought, Oh boy, is THIS a bad decision and still I supported it with a gift anyway. I've never been to a moving out and going to school party that I thought was a bad decision. So, maybe a small useful gift is positive reinforcement of a great decision this young woman is making. It actually doesn't mean you approve of the years of freeloading. It says you approve that she is doing what it takes to take care of herself. That's just one perspective.
  • FairyMiss
    FairyMiss Posts: 1,812 Member
    actually lots of well off people when they move to a new place, have going away or even house warming parties. So if she was well off and moving to a new place would you still find it nervy to have a party for it? It is also customary for people to bring gifts to such parties. The only thing i find tacky is the registared at Target part. Peronsonaly this "Registry" for every little possible gift giving event is getting a bit ridiculous .
  • UsedToBeHusky
    UsedToBeHusky Posts: 15,228 Member
    Maybe its different in the USA but here in the UK, or at least its all I've ever known - is to help as much as possible when somebody moves into a new place, particularly parents. My single friend has just moved into some social housing with her 2 young boys and I don't automatically think of how much she has already taken off the government in housing and welfare, I'm thinking how can I help her? Is there anything I don't need that I can give her for the house? Can I clear up the broken glass in the garden? Or fix the gate?
    I know she would do the same for me. I'm glad I have friends like her and not like you!

    In general, most ppl are this way no matter where they live. Some ppl have personal issues that they allow to affect their views on others. We shouldn't judge the poster, anymore than the poster is judging her husband's cousin. Hopefully, the responses on this post will help her.
  • Hearts_2015
    Hearts_2015 Posts: 12,032 Member
    Maybe its different in the USA but here in the UK, or at least its all I've ever known - is to help as much as possible when somebody moves into a new place, particularly parents. My single friend has just moved into some social housing with her 2 young boys and I don't automatically think of how much she has already taken off the government in housing and welfare, I'm thinking how can I help her? Is there anything I don't need that I can give her for the house? Can I clear up the broken glass in the garden? Or fix the gate?
    I know she would do the same for me. I'm glad I have friends like her and not like you!

    Young mothers, especially single young mothers need alot of support. Its HARD. Really, really, hard. Financially, emotionally, and physically. Cut her some slack. If you don't want to get her anything then fine, but at least wish her well and good luck, but personally I'd maybe think about getting some clothes for the child in bigger sizes for her to grow into? They don't even have to be new. Kids are in them 2 minutes and second hand is almost always looks brand new anyway.
    What a wonderful attitude to have!!:smooched: You sound like you're a terrific Mom, you're kind, compassionate, caring I could on! Such a nice post to see among some of the others that are a bit less than positive.

    So glad you took time to post and shared your experiences as well!:flowerforyou: The attitude above that you share about the UK is most definitely what most feel/do here in the US. The positive responses on here show that :happy: the others? I don't have a clue what that's about. We all have made choices in life that we may regret a bit but better to move on in a positive manner than stay stuck and beat ourselves up over it. The hope is our circle of friends support us in the same way, if not they wouldn't be in my circle of friends, simple as that.

    ETA: I should add, as the above poster shared "its all I've ever known". that's the perspective I come from as well, help out when I can, in whatever way I can. If not monetarily then a simple gift of caring, love the idea of children's clothing, or something simple and pretty to make her new home bright and inviting for her and her child. :flowerforyou:

    I remember in my late teens/early 20s moving and not having much of anything, it's hard starting out alone, let alone with a child to care for.
  • casey12105
    casey12105 Posts: 293
    As others have said, if you really have a problem with it then don't go, or don't give her a gift. That's the end of your involvment in the situation, no need to make it bigger than it is. But to bash her because she kept a child that the father didn't want..that's a really disgusting attitude, it's nice to know that I should have aborted/given away my 5 year old because his sperm donor was a piece of ****, great logic right there.
  • BlessedMomX2
    BlessedMomX2 Posts: 241 Member
    As if no one has ever made bad decisions before and needed a little help to make things better. Isn't that why we are all here? Different story, but bottom line the same thing. We're all fat, trying to lose weight, because of bad decisions....and we're all here for support and help. Financial or not. You could support her move by just showing up and buy her a card. I'm sure she'd love that! I don't think it's fair to say it's "not cool" because she chose to keep her child, knowing the father wouldn't be there, etc. How many adopted or aborted kids would there be if everyone chose to get rid of someone because of Daddy? That's insane. Anyway, I honestly think that when people get so bent out of shape, LOL, about someone else's lives, they have got to be jealous of something!!

    Agree!
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