Carbs and sugar
ttfnweight
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How the devil do I cut down on these two demons. My doc said older women, which I am one, have many problems with these two as far as weight loss goes. She said cut down on carbs and sugar. But try as I might. Starve sometimes I feel, they are always the two I go into the red on! How does everyone else do it??!!!!!
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Not sure why your doc would advise that. Your diary says you've only just gone over carbs or sugar one or two times this month.
Do you have diabetes or something?
Well done on your weight loss so far!0 -
Your doctor is talking from a position of woo
This is what happens when you have a generalist medic who took an afternoon on nutrition in their training and lives in the same society as we all do ...the one corrupted by tabloid messaging from the health and fitness and beauty markets
If you want to lose weight stick to your calorie limits across the week. Keep an eye on protein macro (aim for a minimum of 0.64g protein per lb bodyweight), eat nutritionally dense foods most of the time, allow for treats, do not demonise foods or food groups
Low carb works for some as their preferred way of eating ...not me and it sounds like not you
50% of my diet is carbs...I swapped sugar tracking for fibre0 -
Your doctor is talking from a position of woo
This is what happens when you have a generalist medic who took an afternoon on nutrition in their training and lives in the same society as we all do ...the one corrupted by tabloid messaging from the health and fitness and beauty markets
If you want to lose weight stick to your calorie limits across the week. Keep an eye on protein macro (aim for a minimum of 0.64g protein per lb bodyweight), eat nutritionally dense foods most of the time, allow for treats, do not demonise foods or food groups
Low carb works for some as their preferred way of eating ...not me and it sounds like not you
50% of my diet is carbs...I swapped sugar tracking for fibre
^ Great advice right there. Carbs and sugar don't make you gain weight, too many calories do.
Doctor Oz is a doctor too, and he's one of the biggest woo peddlers there is - just sayin'.
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Her doctor isn't a nutrition who's going to devise a meal plan for her, so "generally" speaking, lowing carbs usually has a fairly direction effect on weight loss. But like others have said, if you eat whole foods and count your calories you'll be fine 0
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If one wanted to lower carbs, one would eat more fats and oils and protein: eggs, avocado, butter, coconut oil, Full fat salad dressing, cheese, mayo, chicken thighs, chia seeds, pumpkin seeds, pork chops, salmon.
One would greatly increase leafy greens like kale, spinach, romaine,collards. Also broccoli, zucchini, green beans, snow peas, cucumber.
One would eat less bread, rice , pasta, cereal, pizza, potatoes.0 -
ttfnweight wrote: »How the devil do I cut down on these two demons. My doc said older women, which I am one, have many problems with these two as far as weight loss goes. She said cut down on carbs and sugar. But try as I might. Starve sometimes I feel, they are always the two I go into the red on! How does everyone else do it??!!!!!
your diary shows you are very light on protein some days, contrary to the bandwagon jumping :-)
Your calorie goal of 1710 looks optimistic.0 -
Easy, just increase healthy fats.0
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When I first started MFP, I tracked my sugar in my diet to see how much I ate. It was way way too high. I went low carb snd sodium only for a couple weeks to supress my insulin levels and as a result to lower my sugar cravings. Amazing enough I dumped water weight quickly and still drink nearly a gallon daily to keep my filtration system healthy.
My taste for other foods like veggies , legumes and startches didn't need sugar addatives to satisfy. I now still have sugar and practice to keep under 12 tsp daily compared to 50-100. The results left alot of room for healthier carbs.
Ultimately I will need doctors for my ageing ailments, but there are enough good info for nutrition and weightloss to help myself.
A good doctor to me is one that will focus on my ailments and steers me to research healthy info like many of us here should. I'm glad i found one.0 -
The only way I ever stick with micro/macro (e.g. carbs) daily goals, is by pre-planning at least 2/3 of the goal (which is breakfast/lunch for me). MFPers can get a bit cultish with their weight loss ideals. But, there's nothing wrong with different eating styles. 0
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I don't low carb and my protein goal is 100g a day0
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ttfnweight wrote: »How the devil do I cut down on these two demons. My doc said older women, which I am one, have many problems with these two as far as weight loss goes. She said cut down on carbs and sugar. But try as I might. Starve sometimes I feel, they are always the two I go into the red on! How does everyone else do it??!!!!!
I think eating low carb and low sugar often helps us as we age because it benefits those with IR (diabetes, alheimer's, NAFLD) and CAD, or limit's their possible progression - health problems not frequnetly found in the young.
I eat very low carb and do so by eliminating all processed foods with added sugars (beyond and occassional sausage or cheese carbs), any food made from flours or starch (bread, muffins, noodles), all grains (rice, corn, quinoa), and limiting sugar and strachy veggies.
Replace calories cut from carbs with healthy fats (avocado, olives, nuts, cheese, olive oil, coconut, etc) and you're all set.
Atkins is a good place to look. I think Dukkan is lower carb too.0 -
If you are feeling 'starved', you are not eating enough satiating foods. Try eating more protein and fats if eating carbs is making you hungrier. You don't even have to cut the carbs out, just add the proteins and fats in with them. Eating a well-balanced diet is the key to success when it comes to feeling satisfied. Put a good sized serving of meat and cheese on a sandwich, add some lettuce and other veggies and you've got the perfect meal right there. Weigh everything as you put it together, log it and monitor your calorie intake and you know you're not overeating.0
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ttfnweight wrote: »How the devil do I cut down on these two demons. My doc said older women, which I am one, have many problems with these two as far as weight loss goes. She said cut down on carbs and sugar. But try as I might. Starve sometimes I feel, they are always the two I go into the red on! How does everyone else do it??!!!!!
Those cravings were the hardest for me...I basically ate mostly carbs before I altered my diet.
I tried dumping coca cola many times over my life and it never lasted.
I lowered my carbs when I found out I had high blood sugar...I was very motivated now.
But by reducing basically all carbs, after a few months, the cravings dissipated. It was not overnight.
But I think I failed in the past by trying to reduce one carb (sugary stuff) but kept other carbs (like pasta), so my body still craved them. I have been low carb for 3 years. Fasting blood glucose is in the 70s and 80s now.
You may not have reduce them as much as I, but for me, that is what it took.
Getting rid of foods you are trying to reduce from your home will help vastly, if you can.
And while CICO has a place, for people that are carb sensitive, the source of the calories makes a big difference.
Calories from fat do not raise my blood glucose, but carbs do, and this then leads to an insulin response and more likely fat storage rather than fat burning. And if eating carbs makes you crave more food, then you are likely to eat more. So it makes sense to test how the sources of different calories affects you.0 -
younger dieters do not understand that carbs and veggie oils- corn-safflower-soybean- cause joint inflammation in older people…so this is one reason to try eating a low carb diet for at least a month..dumping all sugars and hidden sugars ( i.e. crackers, breads, cereals where are often loaded up)
you won't know how a low carb diet works until your TRY it, and then you can always go back to CICO or what ever else you believe or others insist you believe because it works for THEM…no one but you will know…
Sure some 22 yr old can eat only salads, or protein smoothies, or ice cream and still lose 50 pounds..but that is NOT you..so why listen to bad advice that doesn't suit your body? Good luck. from: a crone in training0 -
Your doctor is talking from a position of woo
This is what happens when you have a generalist medic who took an afternoon on nutrition in their training and lives in the same society as we all do ...the one corrupted by tabloid messaging from the health and fitness and beauty markets
If you want to lose weight stick to your calorie limits across the week. Keep an eye on protein macro (aim for a minimum of 0.64g protein per lb bodyweight), eat nutritionally dense foods most of the time, allow for treats, do not demonise foods or food groups
Low carb works for some as their preferred way of eating ...not me and it sounds like not you
50% of my diet is carbs...I swapped sugar tracking for fibre
Rabbit, do you know OP's doc and OP's medical history? Or are you just making generalizations?
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ttfnweight wrote: »How the devil do I cut down on these two demons. My doc said older women, which I am one, have many problems with these two as far as weight loss goes. She said cut down on carbs and sugar. But try as I might. Starve sometimes I feel, they are always the two I go into the red on! How does everyone else do it??!!!!!
I did it by building a complete menu of protein and fat foods I love and along with minimal carbs I end up with a fully satisfying diet of foods I enjoy and almost no hunger or willpower issues. Search for low carb recipes and start developing a new list of go-to menu choices. You can do it & it will make your weight loss and health much improved!0 -
Your doctor is talking from a position of woo
This is what happens when you have a generalist medic who took an afternoon on nutrition in their training and lives in the same society as we all do ...the one corrupted by tabloid messaging from the health and fitness and beauty markets
If you want to lose weight stick to your calorie limits across the week. Keep an eye on protein macro (aim for a minimum of 0.64g protein per lb bodyweight), eat nutritionally dense foods most of the time, allow for treats, do not demonise foods or food groups
Low carb works for some as their preferred way of eating ...not me and it sounds like not you
50% of my diet is carbs...I swapped sugar tracking for fibre
Rabbit, do you know OP's doc and OP's medical history? Or are you just making generalizations?
Every GP has approximately 6 hours of nutrition education. The only way they receive more than that is to either a)specialize and no longer be a GP, or b) do quite a bit of outside research on their own, in addition to the ongoing education they are already required to do to maintain their license, which isn't likely.0 -
Your doctor is talking from a position of woo
This is what happens when you have a generalist medic who took an afternoon on nutrition in their training and lives in the same society as we all do ...the one corrupted by tabloid messaging from the health and fitness and beauty markets
If you want to lose weight stick to your calorie limits across the week. Keep an eye on protein macro (aim for a minimum of 0.64g protein per lb bodyweight), eat nutritionally dense foods most of the time, allow for treats, do not demonise foods or food groups
Low carb works for some as their preferred way of eating ...not me and it sounds like not you
50% of my diet is carbs...I swapped sugar tracking for fibre
Rabbit, do you know OP's doc and OP's medical history? Or are you just making generalizations?
Every GP has approximately 6 hours of nutrition education. The only way they receive more than that is to either a)specialize and no longer be a GP, or b) do quite a bit of outside research on their own, in addition to the ongoing education they are already required to do to maintain their license, which isn't likely.
So rabbbit is trashing the doctors instructions while knowing no actual information about doctor or patient?
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ttfnweight wrote: »How the devil do I cut down on these two demons. My doc said older women, which I am one, have many problems with these two as far as weight loss goes. She said cut down on carbs and sugar. But try as I might. Starve sometimes I feel, they are always the two I go into the red on! How does everyone else do it??!!!!!
your diary shows you are very light on protein some days, contrary to the bandwagon jumping :-)
Your calorie goal of 1710 looks optimistic.
What experience are you using to give opinions on caloric intake? Is it the one where you as a grown man eat 600-1000 calories a day?0 -
Your doctor is talking from a position of woo
This is what happens when you have a generalist medic who took an afternoon on nutrition in their training and lives in the same society as we all do ...the one corrupted by tabloid messaging from the health and fitness and beauty markets
If you want to lose weight stick to your calorie limits across the week. Keep an eye on protein macro (aim for a minimum of 0.64g protein per lb bodyweight), eat nutritionally dense foods most of the time, allow for treats, do not demonise foods or food groups
Low carb works for some as their preferred way of eating ...not me and it sounds like not you
50% of my diet is carbs...I swapped sugar tracking for fibre
Rabbit, do you know OP's doc and OP's medical history? Or are you just making generalizations?
Every GP has approximately 6 hours of nutrition education. The only way they receive more than that is to either a)specialize and no longer be a GP, or b) do quite a bit of outside research on their own, in addition to the ongoing education they are already required to do to maintain their license, which isn't likely.
So rabbbit is trashing the doctors instructions while knowing no actual information about doctor or patient?
Not cool.
Quoting yourself as if you were important.........not cool.0 -
Your doctor is talking from a position of woo
This is what happens when you have a generalist medic who took an afternoon on nutrition in their training and lives in the same society as we all do ...the one corrupted by tabloid messaging from the health and fitness and beauty markets
If you want to lose weight stick to your calorie limits across the week. Keep an eye on protein macro (aim for a minimum of 0.64g protein per lb bodyweight), eat nutritionally dense foods most of the time, allow for treats, do not demonise foods or food groups
Low carb works for some as their preferred way of eating ...not me and it sounds like not you
50% of my diet is carbs...I swapped sugar tracking for fibre
Rabbit, do you know OP's doc and OP's medical history? Or are you just making generalizations?
Every GP has approximately 6 hours of nutrition education. The only way they receive more than that is to either a)specialize and no longer be a GP, or b) do quite a bit of outside research on their own, in addition to the ongoing education they are already required to do to maintain their license, which isn't likely.
it seems it depends on the medical school, but the average is around 20 hours:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4042309/
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Gianfranco_R wrote: »Your doctor is talking from a position of woo
This is what happens when you have a generalist medic who took an afternoon on nutrition in their training and lives in the same society as we all do ...the one corrupted by tabloid messaging from the health and fitness and beauty markets
If you want to lose weight stick to your calorie limits across the week. Keep an eye on protein macro (aim for a minimum of 0.64g protein per lb bodyweight), eat nutritionally dense foods most of the time, allow for treats, do not demonise foods or food groups
Low carb works for some as their preferred way of eating ...not me and it sounds like not you
50% of my diet is carbs...I swapped sugar tracking for fibre
Rabbit, do you know OP's doc and OP's medical history? Or are you just making generalizations?
Every GP has approximately 6 hours of nutrition education. The only way they receive more than that is to either a)specialize and no longer be a GP, or b) do quite a bit of outside research on their own, in addition to the ongoing education they are already required to do to maintain their license, which isn't likely.
it seems it depends on the medical school, but the average is around 20 hours:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4042309/
Okay, so 20 hours. That's a blip on the educational radar. And since they don't add to it with their continuing education credits, unlikely they even remember any of it. That's why a good GP will refer patients to a specialist. GPs keeping patients in their office and giving nutritional advice isn't good medical practice.0 -
Your doctor is talking from a position of woo
This is what happens when you have a generalist medic who took an afternoon on nutrition in their training and lives in the same society as we all do ...the one corrupted by tabloid messaging from the health and fitness and beauty markets
If you want to lose weight stick to your calorie limits across the week. Keep an eye on protein macro (aim for a minimum of 0.64g protein per lb bodyweight), eat nutritionally dense foods most of the time, allow for treats, do not demonise foods or food groups
Low carb works for some as their preferred way of eating ...not me and it sounds like not you
50% of my diet is carbs...I swapped sugar tracking for fibre
Rabbit, do you know OP's doc and OP's medical history? Or are you just making generalizations?
Every GP has approximately 6 hours of nutrition education. The only way they receive more than that is to either a)specialize and no longer be a GP, or b) do quite a bit of outside research on their own, in addition to the ongoing education they are already required to do to maintain their license, which isn't likely.
So rabbbit is trashing the doctors instructions while knowing no actual information about doctor or patient?
Not cool.
It's media trash advice without any reason ..did OP talk of any medical condition, no? She mentioned her age and a fundamental crap generic advice from a generalist ...0 -
KETOGENICGURL wrote: »younger dieters do not understand that carbs and veggie oils- corn-safflower-soybean- cause joint inflammation in older people…so this is one reason to try eating a low carb diet for at least a month..dumping all sugars and hidden sugars ( i.e. crackers, breads, cereals where are often loaded up)
you won't know how a low carb diet works until your TRY it, and then you can always go back to CICO or what ever else you believe or others insist you believe because it works for THEM…no one but you will know…
Sure some 22 yr old can eat only salads, or protein smoothies, or ice cream and still lose 50 pounds..but that is NOT you..so why listen to bad advice that doesn't suit your body? Good luck. from: a crone in training
What a load of tripe
The OP specifically says she finds it hard to do ..so why do it
By the way I lost over 50lbs easily at the age of 47 ...eating everything ...why wouldn't it be the same for the OP ?0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »Your doctor is talking from a position of woo
This is what happens when you have a generalist medic who took an afternoon on nutrition in their training and lives in the same society as we all do ...the one corrupted by tabloid messaging from the health and fitness and beauty markets
If you want to lose weight stick to your calorie limits across the week. Keep an eye on protein macro (aim for a minimum of 0.64g protein per lb bodyweight), eat nutritionally dense foods most of the time, allow for treats, do not demonise foods or food groups
Low carb works for some as their preferred way of eating ...not me and it sounds like not you
50% of my diet is carbs...I swapped sugar tracking for fibre
Rabbit, do you know OP's doc and OP's medical history? Or are you just making generalizations?
Every GP has approximately 6 hours of nutrition education. The only way they receive more than that is to either a)specialize and no longer be a GP, or b) do quite a bit of outside research on their own, in addition to the ongoing education they are already required to do to maintain their license, which isn't likely.
it seems it depends on the medical school, but the average is around 20 hours:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4042309/
Okay, so 20 hours. That's a blip on the educational radar. And since they don't add to it with their continuing education credits, unlikely they even remember any of it. That's why a good GP will refer patients to a specialist. GPs keeping patients in their office and giving nutritional advice isn't good medical practice.
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ttfnweight wrote: »How the devil do I cut down on these two demons. My doc said older women, which I am one, have many problems with these two as far as weight loss goes. She said cut down on carbs and sugar. But try as I might. Starve sometimes I feel, they are always the two I go into the red on! How does everyone else do it??!!!!!
How are carbs and sugars (all sugars are carbs ... but I digress) "demons"?0 -
Your doctor is talking from a position of woo
This is what happens when you have a generalist medic who took an afternoon on nutrition in their training and lives in the same society as we all do ...the one corrupted by tabloid messaging from the health and fitness and beauty markets
If you want to lose weight stick to your calorie limits across the week. Keep an eye on protein macro (aim for a minimum of 0.64g protein per lb bodyweight), eat nutritionally dense foods most of the time, allow for treats, do not demonise foods or food groups
Low carb works for some as their preferred way of eating ...not me and it sounds like not you
50% of my diet is carbs...I swapped sugar tracking for fibre
Rabbit, do you know OP's doc and OP's medical history? Or are you just making generalizations?
Every GP has approximately 6 hours of nutrition education. The only way they receive more than that is to either a)specialize and no longer be a GP, or b) do quite a bit of outside research on their own, in addition to the ongoing education they are already required to do to maintain their license, which isn't likely.
So rabbbit is trashing the doctors instructions while knowing no actual information about doctor or patient?
Not cool.
It's media trash advice without any reason ..did OP talk of any medical condition, no? She mentioned her age and a fundamental crap generic advice from a generalist ...
You are talking to a specific person who's doctor made a suggestion based on information that you do not know. You need to stop.0 -
I'm 53 and have been losing weight (72 pounds so far) with varying macro ratios. What I found satiating varied according to my activity level at the time.
OP, as has been suggested in this thread, doctors aren't really trained in nutrition.
More to the point, though, is the fact that to successfully lose weight, no one's advice matters. What matters is that you're getting proper nourishment and that you're eating a diet comprised of foods that satisfy you body and soul.
The key macro to focus on is protein. There are several reasons for this. Firstly, many people find protein to be satiating. Secondly, dieters require more protein than healthy weight individuals maintaining their weight because dieters are in a position where they might be compromising their muscle mass. A diet containing .65 - .85g of protein per pound of bodyweight plus some sort of resistance training will help preserve your muscle mass as you lose weight.
After portioning out your protein calorie budget, meet the minimum requirement for fat -- .35 g per pound of bodyweight. This is important in order to help joints function optimally and to absorb fat soluble vitamins from fruits and veggies.
After that? Experiment with the rest of your calorie budget. Different people feel satisfied with different macro ratios. There's a lot of noise on these forums about what is best and what worked best for any given person, but only you can find what will work best for you and keep you from feeling hungry.
Some people feel less hungry spending all those extra calories on carbs. Some people feel less hungry spending some on carbs, and the rest on fat. Some give some to protein and lots to fat and just a tiny amount to carbs. Find what works for you.0
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