Climate change: Are you concerned and are you making attempts to help?

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The great thing about climate change is that your opinion on it doesn't matter at all. There is an overwhelming scientific consensus that it is happening, and the debate ended long ago in the scientific community. Anyone who doesn't make an effort to improve our situation is either dumb, ignorant, willfully damaging the environment, or some combination of the 3.

You really should allow for more room in your view of others and the interpretation of their beliefs. It's remarkably judgmental and one sided.

That's because the science on the issue is one-sided. I don't care about people who haven't taken the time to do their reading. When 97% of experts in a given area agree, I'm inclined to listen to what they have to say.

http://climate.nasa.gov/

Have you walked back the data yourself, from even one climate paper? More than reading, to use your own words. That's the fun thing about science, it can be repeated.

If you haven't invested yourself to that level, you're kidding yourself about your level of education. It's no different than getting your opinion from whatever news source you prefer. And when that's the case, you have zero credibility to attack others. You're welcome to do it anyway, but somebody has to be better than that. Might as well be you. :flowerforyou:

97% of experts do not agree. That's purely a talking point, and its bunk. Do better.

So I'm guessing you put on a lab coat and do scientific research yourself then? You're claiming I have zero credibility but simultaneously doing nothing to establish your own. What puts you in a position to speak any more factually on the subject than you claim I cannot? Unless you're a climatologist, you are a lay person on this subject just as much as I am.

What we, as lay people, must do, is as much reading as we possibly can in order to be as informed as possible. Luckily enough, there exist many thousands of publicly available research papers on climate change which you can read anytime you like. I recommend using Google Scholar:

https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=climate+change&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0,3&as_vis=1

Aaaand guess what? The vast, vast majority of research on the subject ends in consensus. But like I said, the good thing is that your opinion (and mine) doesn't matter in the slightest. The scientific community overwhelmingly agrees that climate change is happening, and the overwhelming majority of that overwhelming majority agree that humans are a large contributing factor.

You can have your own opinions, but you can't have your own facts.

EDIT: For further reading on the subject, I once again will recommend NASA's site dedicated to climate change:

http://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

They cite their sources at the bottom of every page. If you want to dispute it, please feel free to do the science necessary to disprove the mountains of evidence they have provided for you.

And I'll choose to forego further debate, as I've already expressed my opinion and you're unlikely to do anything but pull further talking points from the script.

You're welcome to explain to me how NASA's assembled and sourced evidence is "part of the script". Are you accusing them of lying, or drawing the wrong conclusions from the data set? You're welcome to attempt to prove those things as well. That would certainly be interesting to see.

I will actually read the link you've submitted - I am always happy to admit when I'm wrong. Assuming that link contains some groundbreaking research that for some reason the scientific community hasn't already been made aware of, I'll be glad to come back here and admit defeat. I'll also recommend you for a Nobel prize, since the person to disprove the mountain of evidence in favor of man-made climate change will surely be up for one. Something makes me think that won't be necessary though.

Go read, you've already impressed me with your word play.