Low Carb high fat & Muscle Loss

shaynataggart
shaynataggart Posts: 71 Member
edited November 27 in Health and Weight Loss
Hi everyone, just had a question for any other doing LCHF dieting. I am eating under 100 grams of carbs or under per day and have lost approx 9 lbs in 14 days. Unfortunately I have been getting some negative comments regarding my weight loss not being sustainable due to how "extreme" some people think low carb is. I am open to carb cycling on days I exercise if neceassry but my primary concern is how to minimize muscle loss while continuing my LCHF diet? Thanks for any suggestions!

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  • juggernaut1974
    juggernaut1974 Posts: 6,212 Member
    Just a couple thoughts.

    LCHF, done correctly, isn't extreme. The 9 lbs in 14 days is a result of losing a significant amount of water weight as your deplete the glycogen out of your system. You won't sustain anywhere near that rate of actual fat loss.

    As far as minimizing muscle loss - that is done primarily by incorporating a good weightlifting regimen while you shed the pounds. There's no way to lose 100% fat and 0% lean mass, but by lifting (or continuing to lift) heavy as you go.
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
    Progressive resistance programme and adequate protein
  • senecarr
    senecarr Posts: 5,377 Member
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    Progressive resistance programme and adequate protein

    This. There is a bit of bro-science out there that a carb can spare a protein, but it isn't true, protein seems to be the only thing that spares protein.
    Are you getting around .6-.8 grams per pound of your goal weight?
  • GauchoMark
    GauchoMark Posts: 1,804 Member
    I swear... every time I pop back into the MFP boards there seems to be a new popular acronym! I guess it is LCHF now!

    Both of the replies you have gotten are dead on, though.

    I'll expand though. It doesn't matter how you cut calories. To lose fat simply requires you to eat less than you burn. That is the first step.

    To conserve muscle mass requires 2 things, simply put - adequate protein and progressive resistance.

    So, if you want to lose fat and conserve muscle, you need to cut calories, lift, and get enough protein. The only decisions you really have to make are if you cut calories from fat or carbs or both.

    As far as "being sustainable", if you are at a moderate caloric deficit, I would argue that just about any type of diet is sustainable. It just needs to be one that the individual prefers.
  • GauchoMark
    GauchoMark Posts: 1,804 Member
    oh, and don't mess with carb cycling until later on.
  • ryry_
    ryry_ Posts: 4,966 Member
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    Progressive resistance programme and adequate protein

    This. SOmething to keep in mind is one place glycogen is stored is in your muscles and binds to water. When following low carb the glycogen is used and not replaced (completely) and the water is flushed which can give you an apparent "flat" look but its not actual muscle protein loss.
  • Psychgrrl
    Psychgrrl Posts: 3,177 Member
    A study was published this year by Dr. GM Tinsley (and others) which was a review of 13 low-carb (fewer than 55g/day), high protein high fat diets found the majority of the studies reported a decrease in lean body mass, with few reporting an increase in lean body mass. "Fat-Free Mass Changes During Ketogenic Diets and the Potential Role of Resistance Training." International Journal of Sports Nutrition and Exercise, August 2015.

    If you're doing traditional keto, which usually means lower protein as well, and the diets in the study were high protein, there are some interesting points to consider if building lean body mass is your goal as opposed to losing weight.

    The initial loss is probably due to water weight, not fat loss. Not in two weeks. Though my understanding is unless you're planning on maintaining keto forever, using it for weight-loss may not be a really sustainable plan. You may gain once you reintroduce more carbs.

    Maybe carb cycling could be a good in between option. (?)
  • cwolfman13
    cwolfman13 Posts: 41,865 Member
    I don't think LCHF is extreme in and of itself but I think a lot of people who follow this WOE have some extreme views about carbohydrates and also tend to see this WOE as some kind of magical solution to everything under the sun...I also think it's rather trendy at the moment which leads many people who don't know better to believe that it is necessary to lose weight...but done properly, it's not extreme in and of itself.

    The rapid weight loss you're seeing is largely attributable to water loss as well as having less inherent waste in your system...it should level off.

    To preserve mass, follow a good resistance training program and get adequate protein
  • rontafoya
    rontafoya Posts: 365 Member
    I agree with the other comments. I'm not currently on LCHF diet, but I did use it to both lean down and preserve muscle. I lost over 40 lbs and actually gained some muscle. For me, the challenge was energy to fuel my workouts, especially given a caloric deficit. But like the others say, get enough protein, and do progressive overload with your resistance training. As far as cycling carbs I say listen to your body. There are several different ways to deal with carbs, and given you are low carb but probably not low enough to be on the ketogenic diet, chances are you will need to replenish from time to time to keep your muscle and liver glycogen high enough. What I did, during that weight loss period, was have carb refeed days. You can google that (see muscleforlife.com). Another way is to eat more carbs after your workouts on workout days, and less carbs on off days and also on training days prior to workout--in other words, eating very few carbs before workouts and on days off, and eating the lion's share of your carbs on workout days, but after your workout. I'm sure there are other ways, but those are two methods I have used while on generally low carb diets. Good luck to you.
  • shaynataggart
    shaynataggart Posts: 71 Member
    My macros are normally high protein high fat low carbs. no sugars so I guess now its more resistance training.
  • dhimaan
    dhimaan Posts: 774 Member
    Carb cycling is used by experienced lifter who already have low bf trying to get leaner. There is no need to do carb cycling to lose weight.

    How do you minimize muscle loss? lift heavy and eat protein.
  • shaynataggart
    shaynataggart Posts: 71 Member
    thank you guys! im going to focus more on those two! Really appreciate all your help
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