Can I really Eat Whatever I WANT?
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If I cook my own food, I do. I don't usually weigh restaurant stuff, if I'm out. I just go by whatever the calorie amount says!
Sounds like a combination of inaccurate calorie counting (underestimating) and not an accurate count of your exercise calories (overestimating). Toss in the sodium from fast food/quick food - as others have mentioned - and water retention adds to the "stall".0 -
Sorry, I didn't read through everyone's comments, so this may have already been said. One thing that stood out to me about your fast food diet is that fast food tends to be very high in sodium, and high levels of sodium cause your body to retain more water weight. Try eating a low sodium diet for a few days and see if your weight drops. Keep in mind that as a woman, your body will retain extra water weight during certain times of the month, so that could be a contributing factor as well.0
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leanne0627 wrote: »has anyone seen that Harvard study that showed more fat loss for those eating healtheir and less carbs then just calorie restriction. I know I've seen it but cant seem to find it now. No idea hoe accurate but if i recal the study correctly the Harvard scientists seemed to think that food quality did matter a bit.
Sad to say, every study that has been advertised as "Harvard scientists found out..." I've seen on here so far was pretty bad or didn't say what the articles claimed.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »leanne0627 wrote: »has anyone seen that Harvard study that showed more fat loss for those eating healtheir and less carbs then just calorie restriction. I know I've seen it but cant seem to find it now. No idea hoe accurate but if i recal the study correctly the Harvard scientists seemed to think that food quality did matter a bit.
Sad to say, every study that has been advertised as "Harvard scientists found out..." I've seen on here so far was pretty bad or didn't say what the articles claimed.
It's true, people hear the word 'Harvard' and assume the school imparts some magical ability to never be wrong or suffer from bias. The simple truth is very very smart scientists make mistakes all the time. I personally blame the 'publish or perish' mentality in academia.0 -
whaddupw8loss wrote: »Anything that has a calorie deficit will presumably result in weight loss. However, it has been proven that if you eat healthy vs unhealthy, consuming the same amount of calories in each diet, you will lose more from eating healthy. BUT, each will result in weight loss.
This has not been proven at all.
Unless you're talking about going low carb and dropping water weight. Calories for sustained weight loss, nutrition for health.
Well, actually, if you do a little research on the interwebs, or open up a college textbook based on nutrition, from a child development course, to a actual health and fitness course, you will find that a calorie isn't just a calorie, and the different types break down differently. I mean, actually there is probably high school texts that contain this information.0 -
whaddupw8loss wrote: »whaddupw8loss wrote: »Anything that has a calorie deficit will presumably result in weight loss. However, it has been proven that if you eat healthy vs unhealthy, consuming the same amount of calories in each diet, you will lose more from eating healthy. BUT, each will result in weight loss.
This has not been proven at all.
Unless you're talking about going low carb and dropping water weight. Calories for sustained weight loss, nutrition for health.
Well, actually, if you do a little research on the interwebs, or open up a college textbook based on nutrition, from a child development course, to a actual health and fitness course, you will find that a calorie isn't just a calorie, and the different types break down differently. I mean, actually there is probably high school texts that contain this information.
Breaking down differently does not automatically mean more or less weight loss.
If you truly believe that different types of foods of the exact same calorie value provide different sustained fat loss (not water weight etc) then I encourage you to provide 2+ peer reviewed high quality research studies that state it.0 -
whaddupw8loss wrote: »whaddupw8loss wrote: »Anything that has a calorie deficit will presumably result in weight loss. However, it has been proven that if you eat healthy vs unhealthy, consuming the same amount of calories in each diet, you will lose more from eating healthy. BUT, each will result in weight loss.
This has not been proven at all.
Unless you're talking about going low carb and dropping water weight. Calories for sustained weight loss, nutrition for health.
Well, actually, if you do a little research on the interwebs, or open up a college textbook based on nutrition, from a child development course, to a actual health and fitness course, you will find that a calorie isn't just a calorie, and the different types break down differently. I mean, actually there is probably high school texts that contain this information.
Breaking down differently does not automatically mean more or less weight loss.
If you truly believe that different types of foods of the exact same calorie value provide different sustained fat loss (not water weight etc) then I encourage you to provide 2+ peer reviewed high quality research studies that state it.
Surely can, and while I'm doing that...why don't you perform a self-experiment.0 -
Your food diary reveals this isn't quite true, there are homemade chicken breasts with no weight noted, cups of veg and other things instead of weights for them, and a few generic entries instead of specific brands. Tightening up your logging may well reveal you are eating more than you think, because you are logging very very few calories. You seem to be very concerned with eating too much (you have many 900 calorie days with quick adds that round it up to 1k), but 1k is a rather low amount of calories for someone who doesn't eat very nutritionally dense food
It doesn't really look like your food diary is very honest and accurate, but if it is, then what you are doing is unlikely to be sustainable, and could impact your health. Nettting under 1k calories consistently per day is a not a good idea.[/quote]
My diary is what I have been eating. I've logged every single thing that I've put into my mouth, even if I dont completely weigh it. The chicken breast you are refering to Is a day when I went out and ate a thai place, and I'm guessing, yet again. If you go back to days where i have clearly cooked, then it IS mostly weighed out...
The reason I used the quickcalories to at last put it up to 1000 is because I assume that Iate more than what I said... so that always makes up for it.
I've already lost almost 30 lbs on this website and was able to keep it On mateninece (+ or - 3 lbs) for almost 7 months. I just decided to come back and finally lose that bit of weight, because I'm still not happy with myself. What I did back then, seems to work.
Lastly I'm currently in an 8 week strength training and HI IT program, to try to tone up, like you have said. But I still want to have a similar BMI to my significant other, which is 19.5. That has been my ultimate goal.
Hopefully this clears up any questions any of you have asked....0 -
stevencloser wrote: »leanne0627 wrote: »has anyone seen that Harvard study that showed more fat loss for those eating healtheir and less carbs then just calorie restriction. I know I've seen it but cant seem to find it now. No idea hoe accurate but if i recal the study correctly the Harvard scientists seemed to think that food quality did matter a bit.
Sad to say, every study that has been advertised as "Harvard scientists found out..." I've seen on here so far was pretty bad or didn't say what the articles claimed.
Logically speaking, if two diets were the same calorie count but one diet was significantly higher in protein (lets say 10% derived from protein vs 40%) I would suspect the higher protein diet would result in more weight loss due to the higher TEF from the protein. I don't know how long you would need to eat at the higher protein level to notice a statistically significant difference.
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whaddupw8loss wrote: »whaddupw8loss wrote: »Anything that has a calorie deficit will presumably result in weight loss. However, it has been proven that if you eat healthy vs unhealthy, consuming the same amount of calories in each diet, you will lose more from eating healthy. BUT, each will result in weight loss.
This has not been proven at all.
Unless you're talking about going low carb and dropping water weight. Calories for sustained weight loss, nutrition for health.
Well, actually, if you do a little research on the interwebs, or open up a college textbook based on nutrition, from a child development course, to a actual health and fitness course, you will find that a calorie isn't just a calorie, and the different types break down differently. I mean, actually there is probably high school texts that contain this information.
Carbs break down to glucose and fructose, protein to amino acids and fats to fatty acids. They then get used to fuel your body, repair muscles and help you stay healthy. If you have an excess of any one of them, it will result in fat gain or glycogen storage. Vice versa, having less calories than you need will result in fat loss. Your body is very efficient with this kind of stuff, it wastes as little as possible. That's why we've survived this far through living in all imaginable climates, with more or less food of all kinds of compositions available.0 -
Mostly weighed out means there is room to improve accuracy. The fact that you make assumptions and guesswork to get your calories to a certain level by your own admission just reinforces the point that you are not accurately tracking your food. I know it's a pain in the butt to be militant, but if a person is not getting results not in line with what is expected, improving accuracy is a great starting point.0
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Yeah i know that articles do not always site the research correctly thats why id like to see the actual research not just a write up about it. Cant seem to find it for free though it wants me to pay to read it. No thanks dont need it bad enough for that. But if someone has it already please msg me and email to me!0
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stevencloser wrote: »leanne0627 wrote: »has anyone seen that Harvard study that showed more fat loss for those eating healtheir and less carbs then just calorie restriction. I know I've seen it but cant seem to find it now. No idea hoe accurate but if i recal the study correctly the Harvard scientists seemed to think that food quality did matter a bit.
Sad to say, every study that has been advertised as "Harvard scientists found out..." I've seen on here so far was pretty bad or didn't say what the articles claimed.
Logically speaking, if two diets were the same calorie count but one diet was significantly higher in protein (lets say 10% derived from protein vs 40%) I would suspect the higher protein diet would result in more weight loss due to the higher TEF from the protein. I don't know how long you would need to eat at the higher protein level to notice a statistically significant difference.
It does, it has been tested.
1500 kcal diets, 15% protein vs. 35% protein resulted in... 21 kcal extra you burned. It's meaninglessly small for doing such a huge dietary change. I've posted the study a few times before, it talks about other ways calories are used differently in your body but comes to the conclusion eventually that the differences are not big enough to justify saying that a calorie is not a calorie.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/5/899S.full
It's my goto when these sorts of discussions pop up.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »leanne0627 wrote: »has anyone seen that Harvard study that showed more fat loss for those eating healtheir and less carbs then just calorie restriction. I know I've seen it but cant seem to find it now. No idea hoe accurate but if i recal the study correctly the Harvard scientists seemed to think that food quality did matter a bit.
Sad to say, every study that has been advertised as "Harvard scientists found out..." I've seen on here so far was pretty bad or didn't say what the articles claimed.
Logically speaking, if two diets were the same calorie count but one diet was significantly higher in protein (lets say 10% derived from protein vs 40%) I would suspect the higher protein diet would result in more weight loss due to the higher TEF from the protein. I don't know how long you would need to eat at the higher protein level to notice a statistically significant difference.
It does, it has been tested.
1500 kcal diets, 15% protein vs. 35% protein resulted in... 21 kcal extra you burned. It's meaninglessly small for doing such a huge dietary change. I've posted the study a few times before, it talks about other ways calories are used differently in your body but comes to the conclusion eventually that the differences are not big enough to justify saying that a calorie is not a calorie.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/5/899S.full
It's my goto when these sorts of discussions pop up.
Thanks will bookmark to read later.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »leanne0627 wrote: »has anyone seen that Harvard study that showed more fat loss for those eating healtheir and less carbs then just calorie restriction. I know I've seen it but cant seem to find it now. No idea hoe accurate but if i recal the study correctly the Harvard scientists seemed to think that food quality did matter a bit.
Sad to say, every study that has been advertised as "Harvard scientists found out..." I've seen on here so far was pretty bad or didn't say what the articles claimed.
Logically speaking, if two diets were the same calorie count but one diet was significantly higher in protein (lets say 10% derived from protein vs 40%) I would suspect the higher protein diet would result in more weight loss due to the higher TEF from the protein. I don't know how long you would need to eat at the higher protein level to notice a statistically significant difference.
It does, it has been tested.
1500 kcal diets, 15% protein vs. 35% protein resulted in... 21 kcal extra you burned. It's meaninglessly small for doing such a huge dietary change. I've posted the study a few times before, it talks about other ways calories are used differently in your body but comes to the conclusion eventually that the differences are not big enough to justify saying that a calorie is not a calorie.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/79/5/899S.full
It's my goto when these sorts of discussions pop up.
Great job.
21 calories, that's the gum I buy from the vending machines to stave off cravings. It's not even worth logging (for me) 0 -
leanne0627 wrote: »has anyone seen that Harvard study that showed more fat loss for those eating healtheir and less carbs then just calorie restriction. I know I've seen it but cant seem to find it now. No idea hoe accurate but if i recal the study correctly the Harvard scientists seemed to think that food quality did matter a bit.
Sorry, but for weight loss I trust my MFP buddies of any Harvard Study.0 -
I think it matters a lot. I'm very selective.
But you can eat whatever you want.0 -
It could be water retention since restaurant food tends to be much higher in sodium. Check your diary for sodium consumed each day. It might be over the recommended allowance of 2300mg. Good luck!0
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whaddupw8loss wrote: »whaddupw8loss wrote: »whaddupw8loss wrote: »Anything that has a calorie deficit will presumably result in weight loss. However, it has been proven that if you eat healthy vs unhealthy, consuming the same amount of calories in each diet, you will lose more from eating healthy. BUT, each will result in weight loss.
This has not been proven at all.
Unless you're talking about going low carb and dropping water weight. Calories for sustained weight loss, nutrition for health.
Well, actually, if you do a little research on the interwebs, or open up a college textbook based on nutrition, from a child development course, to a actual health and fitness course, you will find that a calorie isn't just a calorie, and the different types break down differently. I mean, actually there is probably high school texts that contain this information.
Breaking down differently does not automatically mean more or less weight loss.
If you truly believe that different types of foods of the exact same calorie value provide different sustained fat loss (not water weight etc) then I encourage you to provide 2+ peer reviewed high quality research studies that state it.
Surely can, and while I'm doing that...why don't you perform a self-experiment.
I eagerly await these studies.
Though I'm expecting two blog posts or an excerpt from a fad diet book.0 -
whaddupw8loss wrote: »whaddupw8loss wrote: »whaddupw8loss wrote: »Anything that has a calorie deficit will presumably result in weight loss. However, it has been proven that if you eat healthy vs unhealthy, consuming the same amount of calories in each diet, you will lose more from eating healthy. BUT, each will result in weight loss.
This has not been proven at all.
Unless you're talking about going low carb and dropping water weight. Calories for sustained weight loss, nutrition for health.
Well, actually, if you do a little research on the interwebs, or open up a college textbook based on nutrition, from a child development course, to a actual health and fitness course, you will find that a calorie isn't just a calorie, and the different types break down differently. I mean, actually there is probably high school texts that contain this information.
Breaking down differently does not automatically mean more or less weight loss.
If you truly believe that different types of foods of the exact same calorie value provide different sustained fat loss (not water weight etc) then I encourage you to provide 2+ peer reviewed high quality research studies that state it.
Surely can, and while I'm doing that...why don't you perform a self-experiment.
I eagerly await these studies.
Though I'm expecting two blog posts or an excerpt from a fad diet book.
Or a junk pseudoscience "study" from some knob like MercoLOLa or Taubes.0 -
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