Calories in vs. Calories out? Not that easy!!

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kristy_estes21
kristy_estes21 Posts: 434 Member
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Saw this on Jamie Eason's Facebook page this morning and couldn't agree more!!
"The most annoying thing I hear is when people attempt to simplify nutrition with the phrase, 'It's as simple as, calories in versus calories out!' NO IT'S NOT!!! You cannot eat cheesecake all day and just because its under your daily calorie requirement, be in shape! That's rubbish! Macros matter!!"
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  • tellybelle
    tellybelle Posts: 144
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    Girly! This is exactly what I needed after my wall post with my calorie concern! Thanks for sharing
  • 4theking
    4theking Posts: 1,196 Member
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    Saw this on Jamie Eason's Facebook page this morning and couldn't agree more!!
    "The most annoying thing I hear is when people attempt to simplify nutrition with the phrase, 'It's as simple as, calories in versus calories out!' NO IT'S NOT!!! You cannot eat cheesecake all day and just because its under your daily calorie requirement, be in shape! That's rubbish! Macros matter!!"

    Losing weight yes, body composition of an athlete no.
  • mapexdrummer69
    mapexdrummer69 Posts: 445
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    Calories determine body weight. Macronutrient consumption determines body composition. Simple as that. Whole foods are more dense in vitamins and nutrients vs. processed foods and are important to overall health, but they have no bearing on weight loss.
  • GrowOrDie
    GrowOrDie Posts: 42
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    Not all calories are created equal... this is the "100 calorie pack" obesity generation. All about the QUALITY of those calories! If enough of us preach this, maybe we can save people allot of work and stress about what to do and what not to do! ;)
  • mapexdrummer69
    mapexdrummer69 Posts: 445
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    Not all calories are created equal... this is the "100 calorie pack" obesity generation. All about the QUALITY of those calories! If enough of us preach this, maybe we can save people allot of work and stress about what to do and what not to do! ;)


    Please clarify what you mean. Are you talking about the micronutrient composition of things, such as vitamins and minerals? I will agree that in that sense all FOOD is not created equally. A calorie is a calorie.
  • TK421NotAtPost
    TK421NotAtPost Posts: 512 Member
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    It's amazing how many people try to discredit the energy balance equation by saying idiotic things like "can't each cheesecake all day and be in shape". Well, no $ h i t Ms. Eason! And the fact that macros do matter isn't exactly an earthshattering comment either.

    Energy balance equation does in fact, take into account many factors including hormonal responses, thermic effect of food & activity, resting metabolic rate, etc.

    Hence, most people who know what they are talking about recommend setting protein levels first (usually quite high)...and then fill in carb and fats levels according to their varying levels of activity and carb sensitivity.
  • mapexdrummer69
    mapexdrummer69 Posts: 445
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    Exactly. There are minimums of protein, ~1-1.5g per pound of LMB for active individuals, and ~.45g of fat per pound of bodyweight.


    Those are essential and should be viewed as minimums.
  • ilsie99
    ilsie99 Posts: 259
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    It's amazing how many people try to discredit the energy balance equation by saying idiotic things like "can't each cheesecake all day and be in shape". Well, no $ h i t Ms. Eason! And the fact that macros do matter isn't exactly an earthshattering comment either.

    Energy balance equation does in fact, take into account many factors including hormonal responses, thermic effect of food & activity, resting metabolic rate, etc.

    Hence, most people who know what they are talking about recommend setting protein levels first (usually quite high)...and then fill in carb and fats levels according to their varying levels of activity and carb sensitivity.

    I like this post.
  • pjenkinsabq
    pjenkinsabq Posts: 3 Member
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    She is only making the comment that cals in vs. cals out is not what you should do,you do have to be smarter than that. I get what she is saying, why does everyone hate so much?

    Where did she try to discredit the energy balance equation? Just saying she made a simple point and some people have to get all education on it.
  • kristy_estes21
    kristy_estes21 Posts: 434 Member
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    She is only making the comment that cals in vs. cals out is not what you should do,you do have to be smarter than that. I get what she is saying, why does everyone hate so much?

    Where did she try to discredit the energy balance equation? Just saying she made a simple point and some people have to get all education on it.

    WORD. :)
  • kristy_estes21
    kristy_estes21 Posts: 434 Member
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    Not all calories are created equal... this is the "100 calorie pack" obesity generation. All about the QUALITY of those calories! If enough of us preach this, maybe we can save people allot of work and stress about what to do and what not to do! ;)

    First of all, I would like to say, WOW!! You look amazing and have come a long way! Good job!! Second, I HATE 100 calorie packs! haha
  • NewVonnie
    NewVonnie Posts: 683 Member
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    I'm new here so this is something I'm not too sure about. What are good percentages for nutrients when you want to lose weight and be healthy?
  • kristy_estes21
    kristy_estes21 Posts: 434 Member
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    I think you fellas are missing the point. It doesn't say anything about weight loss in my original post. It says "be in shape." There's a HUGE difference in the two, as I'm sure you already know.
  • alison_cpb
    alison_cpb Posts: 23
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    The quality of the calories you eat determine whether you will be 125lbs at 30% body fat, or 125lbs with 18% body fat.... you'll still be 125lbs but you won't have a healthy 'composition'.
  • Angela_MA
    Angela_MA Posts: 260
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    I think you fellas are missing the point. It doesn't say anything about weight loss in my original post. It says "be in shape." There's a HUGE difference in the two, as I'm sure you already know.


    AMEN sista!!!!

    Has any one heard of the twinkie diet. Where a professor ate 2 twinkies a day and then ate a meal at dinner to show his students that you can lose weight with any kind of calorie restriction. It worked and he lost weight, but he felt like crap!!! He lost the weight but was not HEALTHY!!!!! So, yes to lose weight it can be simplified to calories in vs. calories out; however, to be healthy and fit the equation is much more complex! :wink:
  • kristy_estes21
    kristy_estes21 Posts: 434 Member
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    I'm new here so this is something I'm not too sure about. What are good percentages for nutrients when you want to lose weight and be healthy?

    I changed mine from what MFP recommended. I have my carbs set to 40%, protein 35%, and fat 25%.
  • 4theking
    4theking Posts: 1,196 Member
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    I'm new here so this is something I'm not too sure about. What are good percentages for nutrients when you want to lose weight and be healthy?

    I changed mine from what MFP recommended. I have my carbs set to 40%, protein 35%, and fat 25%.

    Great percentages!
  • kristy_estes21
    kristy_estes21 Posts: 434 Member
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    LOL Thanks! I didn't realize you could change it at first and I was like, "man that's a lot of carbs and very little protein!" I'm liking the new percentages much better. :) The one thing I always have trouble with is sugar intake though. Not really any added sugar, but mostly from fruit and stuff. 20g is just so low. I wish they would have some sort of column with total sugar and added sugar. lol
  • daisymae9801
    daisymae9801 Posts: 208 Member
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    I think you fellas are missing the point. It doesn't say anything about weight loss in my original post. It says "be in shape." There's a HUGE difference in the two, as I'm sure you already know.


    AMEN sista!!!!

    Has any one heard of the twinkie diet. Where a professor ate 2 twinkies a day and then ate a meal at dinner to show his students that you can lose weight with any kind of calorie restriction. It worked and he lost weight, but he felt like crap!!! He lost the weight but was not HEALTHY!!!!! So, yes to lose weight it can be simplified to calories in vs. calories out; however, to be healthy and fit the equation is much more complex! :wink:

    Actually, from CNN:

    "For a class project, Haub limited himself to less than 1,800 calories a day. A man of Haub's pre-dieting size usually consumes about 2,600 calories daily. So he followed a basic principle of weight loss: He consumed significantly fewer calories than he burned.

    His body mass index went from 28.8, considered overweight, to 24.9, which is normal. He now weighs 174 pounds.

    But you might expect other indicators of health would have suffered. Not so.

    Haub's "bad" cholesterol, or LDL, dropped 20 percent and his "good" cholesterol, or HDL, increased by 20 percent. He reduced the level of triglycerides, which are a form of fat, by 39 percent."

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/index.html
  • 4theking
    4theking Posts: 1,196 Member
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    LOL Thanks! I didn't realize you could change it at first and I was like, "man that's a lot of carbs and very little protein!" I'm liking the new percentages much better. :) The one thing I always have trouble with is sugar intake though. Not really any added sugar, but mostly from fruit and stuff. 20g is just so low. I wish they would have some sort of column with total sugar and added sugar. lol

    I don't monitor sugar but if I was, that would definitely be a pain. I agree, 20gms is nothing.

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