Vegans

CarmenLillyMonroe
CarmenLillyMonroe Posts: 3 Member
edited November 29 in Food and Nutrition
I've been a vegan for around 9 years now and I still don't eat that great!

I'm looking for some fellow vegans to follow so I can share recipes with as I am just not getting enough nutrients in my diet.

So many people make fun of me if they find out in a vegan and presume I live off "rabbit food".... Oh how wrong they are! They have no idea of the level of vegan junk food that is available!

Does anybody else suffer from a poor vegan based diet?
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  • CarmenLillyMonroe
    CarmenLillyMonroe Posts: 3 Member
    I've been vegan for 9 years..it's not new to me. I just need advice on better nutrition.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    I wouldn't say my diet was "poor" before I lost weight, I just ate too much of everything that I was eating.

    I would base my meals around rice, potatoes, and pasta and it made it easy to eat way too much. I flipped it so that rice, potatoes, and pasta became more like accents to my meals and I focused on eating lots of vegetables. I also focused more on more concentrated protein sources like tofu, tempeh, and seitan (also lots of beans) because I found that this made it easier to eat lower calorie. I began measuring my alcohol as well -- before I began counting calories I was just pouring wine and I didn't always understand how many calories it was contributing to my diet.
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  • CarmenLillyMonroe
    CarmenLillyMonroe Posts: 3 Member
    Thank guys. Yeah it's protein that is my biggest downfall. I just do not get enough of it in my diet. I think I also need to focus more on feeding my body the right stuff instead of just worrying about loosing weight.

    Does anybody meal prep for the week?
  • DaddieCat
    DaddieCat Posts: 3,643 Member
    I also have been Vegan for a decade or so. I was in your shoes once with "unhealthy" vegan foods. Later, as I educated myself more on what I needed to eat in order to provide my body with the nutrition I needed, my diet changed along with it. Ultimately it depends on your goals, which if they are health and nutrient related, your first step should be a trip to the doctor for a full blood/hormone workup in order to determine if you have any deficiencies. Once that is accomplished any needs can be addressed by your doctor.

    Outside of that, a variety of foods in a variety of colors will be helpful, but accurately tracking for micro and macro nutrients will be equally as effective.

    Do you have a goal outside of eating healthier, such as losing fat, gaining fitness, or anything like that?
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  • DaddieCat
    DaddieCat Posts: 3,643 Member
    Again with the nonsense. If frying with oil is forbidden, how can people follow a low carb/hi fat vegan diet? Note, I'm not advocating this diet as it's notoriously low in protein as well, but evidence contradicts you at every turn. Many of us, Vegans included, continue to eat oil and fat with no ill effects.

    And you keep sourcing Doctors who are continually debunked, and shown to have results that are not able to be reproduced under controlled laboratory conditions.
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  • DaddieCat
    DaddieCat Posts: 3,643 Member
    Show me an actual study that is not a novel written by one of these doctors. Unfortunately, the way science works states that burden of proof is on the person making wild claims. So far, in any thread that you have posted in, you have not made any claim that was supported by actual evidence outside of one of your lists of faniciful "Doctors" whose "studies" seem only to be avaialable in their novels or some other means that directly profits them, and none of them have been peer reviewed and not a single "study" that you linked me yesterday under a different topic was held reproducible.

    I get that you want to spread the vegan "gospel" but your suggestions are nonsensical in almost all ways, which you are being told across several different boards currently, and often downright dangerous, such as telling a vegan to eliminate fats in their diet. The human body requires a minimal intake of fats as well as protein.

    Additionally, LCHF Vegan diets are not "paleo" or ketogenic by definition. Additionally, claiming ketogenic diets cause illness is not supported by science as the diet was invented by scientists to treat brain function disorders.

    When you have some peer reviewed scientific evidence, or a degree in nutrition, bio-chemistry, anatomy and physiology, etc, come back and talk to us then.
  • rawroy
    rawroy Posts: 106 Member
    I'd really like to see what you look like BecomingBane and your meal plan since you are vegan and promote high protein and high fat. I am not a big bodybuipder but I think I'm fit and following Jon Venus on youtube and he follows a low fat vegan lifestyle.

    Also, I agree with @PlantBasedKnight. Who is deb
  • rawroy
    rawroy Posts: 106 Member
    Pressed post by mistake...anyway..
    Who is debunking this research so I can dive deeper.
  • DaddieCat
    DaddieCat Posts: 3,643 Member
    edited January 2016
    rawroy wrote: »
    Pressed post by mistake...anyway..
    Who is debunking this research so I can dive deeper.

    Look, no one is saying that you can't follow a low fat diet, but Plantbasedknight is on many boards telling people to remove fat from their diet entirely as well as oils and this is just nonsense. There are many and varied diets, and many of them are effective, but espousing one particular diet as if it is the be all end all diet is unrealistic on a grand scale.

    But ok, let's take a look at the one study/ scientist they have thrown at me most often, T. Colin Campbell and his China Study.

    Here is an editorial with clearly sourced information:
    http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html

    and another: https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-china-study-revisited/

    and another with clearly cited sources:
    http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/the-china-study-myth/

    There is enough actual science there to keep you reading for a long time if you're of a mind.

    ETA:
    Here are some additional insights:

    http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/
    http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/08/06/final-china-study-response-html/
    http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/09/22/forks-over-knives-is-the-science-legit-a-review-and-critique/
    http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/07/31/one-year-later-the-china-study-revisited-and-re-bashed/
    http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/09/02/the-china-study-wheat-and-heart-disease-oh-my/
    http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/16/the-china-study-my-response-to-campbell/
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    mamamonroesvintage wrote: »
    Thank guys. Yeah it's protein that is my biggest downfall. I just do not get enough of it in my diet. I think I also need to focus more on feeding my body the right stuff instead of just worrying about loosing weight.

    Does anybody meal prep for the week?

    I don't officially meal prep, but I will make batches of higher protein foods to make them easy to grab.

    I will press and marinate tofu to make a big batch of baked tofu. This can be used for sandwiches, eaten for dinner, or I can just grab it and snack on it. I will make seitan in big batches so I will have it for the week (and freeze any that I might not be using right away). I will marinate tempeh so I just have to cook it when I get home from work (or I will make a batch of tempeh "sausage" crumbles" that can be mixed with beans and pasta or whatever for meals. I will do a batch of slow-cooker beans and freeze what I won't use within a few days.

    I personally find vegetables and carbohydrate-rich foods to be easier to prepare, it's the higher protein stuff that I plan for.

    I find that when I focus on protein, I feel fuller and more energetic. I don't even eat a lot of it (@BecomingBane is our resident vegan protein master!), but I am a firm believer that it's something that we need.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    PlantBasedKnight wrote: »
    BecomingBane wrote: »
    Again with the nonsense. If frying with oil is forbidden, how can people follow a low carb/hi fat vegan diet? Note, I'm not advocating this diet as it's notoriously low in protein as well, but evidence contradicts you at every turn. Many of us, Vegans included, continue to eat oil and fat with no ill effects.

    they can its called the paleo or ketogenic diet. it causes diabetes and it is not healthy. it shortens life. the fat you eat is the fat you wear. If you work out like crazy in the gym maybe that's why you are eating all the at fat and not getting very fat. for a normal person consuming fats in the form of free oils and fried foods is a disaster. such foods are inflammation and cancer promoting.
    BecomingBane wrote: »
    And you keep sourcing Doctors who are continually debunked, and shown to have results that are not able to be reproduced under controlled laboratory conditions.

    Prove that! where are they debunked. cite one study show me the proof. don't just throw broscience

    I don't work out like crazy. Fats are about 25-30% of my diet and that includes oils and fried foods. I'm not wearing that fat. My blood test results are great. Please stop with the pseudoscience and fear-mongering. If someone feels great on a low fat plant-based diet, awesome for them. But it's not the "one true path."
  • DaddieCat
    DaddieCat Posts: 3,643 Member
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    PlantBasedKnight wrote: »
    BecomingBane wrote: »
    Again with the nonsense. If frying with oil is forbidden, how can people follow a low carb/hi fat vegan diet? Note, I'm not advocating this diet as it's notoriously low in protein as well, but evidence contradicts you at every turn. Many of us, Vegans included, continue to eat oil and fat with no ill effects.

    they can its called the paleo or ketogenic diet. it causes diabetes and it is not healthy. it shortens life. the fat you eat is the fat you wear. If you work out like crazy in the gym maybe that's why you are eating all the at fat and not getting very fat. for a normal person consuming fats in the form of free oils and fried foods is a disaster. such foods are inflammation and cancer promoting.
    BecomingBane wrote: »
    And you keep sourcing Doctors who are continually debunked, and shown to have results that are not able to be reproduced under controlled laboratory conditions.

    Prove that! where are they debunked. cite one study show me the proof. don't just throw broscience

    I don't work out like crazy. Fats are about 25-30% of my diet and that includes oils and fried foods. I'm not wearing that fat. My blood test results are great. Please stop with the pseudoscience and fear-mongering. If someone feels great on a low fat plant-based diet, awesome for them. But it's not the "one true path."

    Oh sweet, glory... a voice of reason, lol.
  • htimpaired
    htimpaired Posts: 1,404 Member
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    mamamonroesvintage wrote: »
    Thank guys. Yeah it's protein that is my biggest downfall. I just do not get enough of it in my diet. I think I also need to focus more on feeding my body the right stuff instead of just worrying about loosing weight.

    Does anybody meal prep for the week?

    I don't officially meal prep, but I will make batches of higher protein foods to make them easy to grab.

    I will press and marinate tofu to make a big batch of baked tofu. This can be used for sandwiches, eaten for dinner, or I can just grab it and snack on it. I will make seitan in big batches so I will have it for the week (and freeze any that I might not be using right away). I will marinate tempeh so I just have to cook it when I get home from work (or I will make a batch of tempeh "sausage" crumbles" that can be mixed with beans and pasta or whatever for meals. I will do a batch of slow-cooker beans and freeze what I won't use within a few days.

    I personally find vegetables and carbohydrate-rich foods to be easier to prepare, it's the higher protein stuff that I plan for.

    I find that when I focus on protein, I feel fuller and more energetic. I don't even eat a lot of it (@BecomingBane is our resident vegan protein master!), but I am a firm believer that it's something that we need.

    I'm not vegan, but I am curious about the pasta thing-is there vegan pasta? Doesn't regular pasta like barilla have egg in it?
  • enterdanger
    enterdanger Posts: 2,447 Member
    BecomingBane wrote: »
    Again with the nonsense. If frying with oil is forbidden, how can people follow a low carb/hi fat vegan diet? Note, I'm not advocating this diet as it's notoriously low in protein as well, but evidence contradicts you at every turn. Many of us, Vegans included, continue to eat oil and fat with no ill effects.

    And you keep sourcing Doctors who are continually debunked, and shown to have results that are not able to be reproduced under controlled laboratory conditions.

    I like you @BecomingBane

    I'm not vegan, but I'm a cookbook enthusiast and have been cooking through several vegan cookbooks lately, so I guess I'd say I'm eating a lot of plant based food. I do wear leather and stuff so I'll never be vegan. I've noticed there seems to be (like every other "group") normal people vegans and crazy, fanatic, evangelical vegans.

    OP, for healthy meal ideas maybe try the Thug Kitchen cookbook (my personal fave so far) and blog http://www.thugkitchen.com/recipes, the Oh She Glows cookbook and food blog http://ohsheglows.com/categories/recipes-2/ Even allrecipes.com has a full vegan section now. http://allrecipes.com/recipes/1227/everyday-cooking/vegan/

    I like vegan cookbooks because I can just add meat if I really want to, but I don't feel obligated to do so.
  • vaguelyvegan
    vaguelyvegan Posts: 45 Member
    I've been vegan for about two years and still find it challenging to get enough protein. A couple of things have made it easier: Sun Warrior protein powder (vanilla), from which I make a morning smoothie. I use a scoop of that, one frozen banana, a heaping tablespoon of raw cacao and one of powdered peanut butter, plus almond milk and ice. That's 25 grams of protein, so it's a good start.

    I also like the vegan Field Roast burgers, which are delicious and high in protein and fat. A whole wheat bun adds a few more grams.

    Other than that, for me it's the usual suspects: beans, chickpeas, nuts and nut butters (an apple with peanut butter is one of my favorite snacks), tofu, etc. If you're looking for some easy, healthy vegan recipes, check out blogs like Oh She Glows, Deliciously Ella, Post Punk Kitchen and Jamie Oliver.
  • vaguelyvegan
    vaguelyvegan Posts: 45 Member
    htimpaired wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    mamamonroesvintage wrote: »

    I'm not vegan, but I am curious about the pasta thing-is there vegan pasta? Doesn't regular pasta like barilla have egg in it?

    Nope.
  • DaddieCat
    DaddieCat Posts: 3,643 Member
    enterdanger wrote: »
    BecomingBane wrote: »
    Again with the nonsense. If frying with oil is forbidden, how can people follow a low carb/hi fat vegan diet? Note, I'm not advocating this diet as it's notoriously low in protein as well, but evidence contradicts you at every turn. Many of us, Vegans included, continue to eat oil and fat with no ill effects.

    And you keep sourcing Doctors who are continually debunked, and shown to have results that are not able to be reproduced under controlled laboratory conditions.

    I like you @BecomingBane

    I'm not vegan, but I'm a cookbook enthusiast and have been cooking through several vegan cookbooks lately, so I guess I'd say I'm eating a lot of plant based food. I do wear leather and stuff so I'll never be vegan. I've noticed there seems to be (like every other "group") normal people vegans and crazy, fanatic, evangelical vegans.

    OP, for healthy meal ideas maybe try the Thug Kitchen cookbook (my personal fave so far) and blog http://www.thugkitchen.com/recipes, the Oh She Glows cookbook and food blog http://ohsheglows.com/categories/recipes-2/ Even allrecipes.com has a full vegan section now. http://allrecipes.com/recipes/1227/everyday-cooking/vegan/

    I like vegan cookbooks because I can just add meat if I really want to, but I don't feel obligated to do so.

    Thug kitchen is great. I also enjoy Post punk Kitchen and Vegweb.com, but vegweb is all user submitted and sometimes requires tweaking. I've been a chef in my past life (pre current employment, pre-bodybuilding) and so am pretty handy in a kitchen which helps.

  • DaddieCat
    DaddieCat Posts: 3,643 Member
    vaguelyvegan wrote: »
    I've been vegan for about two years and still find it challenging to get enough protein. A couple of things have made it easier: Sun Warrior protein powder (vanilla), from which I make a morning smoothie. I use a scoop of that, one frozen banana, a heaping tablespoon of raw cacao and one of powdered peanut butter, plus almond milk and ice. That's 25 grams of protein, so it's a good start.

    I also like the vegan Field Roast burgers, which are delicious and high in protein and fat. A whole wheat bun adds a few more grams.

    Other than that, for me it's the usual suspects: beans, chickpeas, nuts and nut butters (an apple with peanut butter is one of my favorite snacks), tofu, etc. If you're looking for some easy, healthy vegan recipes, check out blogs like Oh She Glows, Deliciously Ella, Post Punk Kitchen and Jamie Oliver.

    Don't forget seitan, tofu, tempeh, and textured protein (vegetable or soy) as protein dense sources of food. Also, Gardein products if they are available in your area in addition to Field Roast brand products, and Beyond Meat products... all good sources of protein.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    htimpaired wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    mamamonroesvintage wrote: »
    Thank guys. Yeah it's protein that is my biggest downfall. I just do not get enough of it in my diet. I think I also need to focus more on feeding my body the right stuff instead of just worrying about loosing weight.

    Does anybody meal prep for the week?

    I don't officially meal prep, but I will make batches of higher protein foods to make them easy to grab.

    I will press and marinate tofu to make a big batch of baked tofu. This can be used for sandwiches, eaten for dinner, or I can just grab it and snack on it. I will make seitan in big batches so I will have it for the week (and freeze any that I might not be using right away). I will marinate tempeh so I just have to cook it when I get home from work (or I will make a batch of tempeh "sausage" crumbles" that can be mixed with beans and pasta or whatever for meals. I will do a batch of slow-cooker beans and freeze what I won't use within a few days.

    I personally find vegetables and carbohydrate-rich foods to be easier to prepare, it's the higher protein stuff that I plan for.

    I find that when I focus on protein, I feel fuller and more energetic. I don't even eat a lot of it (@BecomingBane is our resident vegan protein master!), but I am a firm believer that it's something that we need.

    I'm not vegan, but I am curious about the pasta thing-is there vegan pasta? Doesn't regular pasta like barilla have egg in it?

    The vast majority of dried pasta is egg-free. Barilla pasta is fine for vegans (unless it's egg noodles, which is usually right on the front of the package). Fresh pasta often does have egg, but I've made it egg-free at home.
  • DaddieCat
    DaddieCat Posts: 3,643 Member
    edited January 2016
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    mamamonroesvintage wrote: »
    Thank guys. Yeah it's protein that is my biggest downfall. I just do not get enough of it in my diet. I think I also need to focus more on feeding my body the right stuff instead of just worrying about loosing weight.

    Does anybody meal prep for the week?

    I don't officially meal prep, but I will make batches of higher protein foods to make them easy to grab.

    I will press and marinate tofu to make a big batch of baked tofu. This can be used for sandwiches, eaten for dinner, or I can just grab it and snack on it. I will make seitan in big batches so I will have it for the week (and freeze any that I might not be using right away). I will marinate tempeh so I just have to cook it when I get home from work (or I will make a batch of tempeh "sausage" crumbles" that can be mixed with beans and pasta or whatever for meals. I will do a batch of slow-cooker beans and freeze what I won't use within a few days.

    I personally find vegetables and carbohydrate-rich foods to be easier to prepare, it's the higher protein stuff that I plan for.

    I find that when I focus on protein, I feel fuller and more energetic. I don't even eat a lot of it (@BecomingBane is our resident vegan protein master!), but I am a firm believer that it's something that we need.

    Ack... I missed this. Have you ever tried mixing beans in with the seitan dough and steaming it? Let me link a recipe... it's phenomenal.

    http://www.theppk.com/2012/01/vegan_sausage/

    I use this recipe to make hot dogs for summer cookouts. It always goes over well with my non vegan friends which is a plus.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    BecomingBane wrote: »
    janejellyroll wrote: »
    mamamonroesvintage wrote: »
    Thank guys. Yeah it's protein that is my biggest downfall. I just do not get enough of it in my diet. I think I also need to focus more on feeding my body the right stuff instead of just worrying about loosing weight.

    Does anybody meal prep for the week?

    I don't officially meal prep, but I will make batches of higher protein foods to make them easy to grab.

    I will press and marinate tofu to make a big batch of baked tofu. This can be used for sandwiches, eaten for dinner, or I can just grab it and snack on it. I will make seitan in big batches so I will have it for the week (and freeze any that I might not be using right away). I will marinate tempeh so I just have to cook it when I get home from work (or I will make a batch of tempeh "sausage" crumbles" that can be mixed with beans and pasta or whatever for meals. I will do a batch of slow-cooker beans and freeze what I won't use within a few days.

    I personally find vegetables and carbohydrate-rich foods to be easier to prepare, it's the higher protein stuff that I plan for.

    I find that when I focus on protein, I feel fuller and more energetic. I don't even eat a lot of it (@BecomingBane is our resident vegan protein master!), but I am a firm believer that it's something that we need.

    Ack... I missed this. Have you ever tried mixing beans in with the seitan dough and steaming it? Let me link a recipe... it's phenomenal.

    http://www.theppk.com/2012/01/vegan_sausage/

    I use this recipe to make hot dogs for summer cookouts. It always goes over well with my non vegan friends which is a plus.

    Yes, I have done this with white beans and with black beans. I find it makes for an incredible texture! One of my favorite ways to make seitan.
  • DaddieCat
    DaddieCat Posts: 3,643 Member
    I agree.. I've done it for hot dogs and burgers and both turned out amazing. Maybe I like to eat too much. (not too much food... just too much enjoyment of eating, lol)
  • rawroy
    rawroy Posts: 106 Member
    BecomingBane wrote: »
    rawroy wrote: »
    Pressed post by mistake...anyway..
    Who is debunking this research so I can dive deeper.

    Look, no one is saying that you can't follow a low fat diet, but Plantbasedknight is on many boards telling people to remove fat from their diet entirely as well as oils and this is just nonsense. There are many and varied diets, and many of them are effective, but espousing one particular diet as if it is the be all end all diet is unrealistic on a grand scale.

    But ok, let's take a look at the one study/ scientist they have thrown at me most often, T. Colin Campbell and his China Study.

    Here is an editorial with clearly sourced information:
    http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html

    and another: https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-china-study-revisited/

    and another with clearly cited sources:
    http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/the-china-study-myth/

    There is enough actual science there to keep you reading for a long time if you're of a mind.

    ETA:
    Here are some additional insights:

    http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/
    http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/08/06/final-china-study-response-html/
    http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/09/22/forks-over-knives-is-the-science-legit-a-review-and-critique/
    http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/07/31/one-year-later-the-china-study-revisited-and-re-bashed/
    http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/09/02/the-china-study-wheat-and-heart-disease-oh-my/
    http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/16/the-china-study-my-response-to-campbell/

    Man, you trying to keep me busy for a while with those links! LOL
    Even if I tried eliminating fat, I'd fail. Just had a White Chocolate Madadamia Nut Clif Bar.

    All diets if followed to a T will help you lose or gain weight but I don't trust them anymore.
    I remember what worked for me before, but it was bad and unhealthy with all those energy fat pills I was taking and starving myself on 1,500 calories a day!

    My "lifelong" health and fitness goals have been achieved by going plant based. It's been 2 years and is automatic now. I don't have to worry about getting fat but now I'm focusing on a short term 6 pack goal, asthetic and athletic goals so I'm experimenting with carbs, proteins, and fats ratios but from mostly plant based, not processed. I'm not into that bulking and cutting bodybuilders do. For some reason my friends always seem to be bulking...

    I read up on Atkins and I don't like that one at all.
    Check this out http://www.atkinsfacts.org
  • enterdanger
    enterdanger Posts: 2,447 Member
    I'll have to try post punk kitchen. The name appeals to me. oi.
  • DaddieCat
    DaddieCat Posts: 3,643 Member
    rawroy wrote: »
    BecomingBane wrote: »
    rawroy wrote: »
    Pressed post by mistake...anyway..
    Who is debunking this research so I can dive deeper.

    Look, no one is saying that you can't follow a low fat diet, but Plantbasedknight is on many boards telling people to remove fat from their diet entirely as well as oils and this is just nonsense. There are many and varied diets, and many of them are effective, but espousing one particular diet as if it is the be all end all diet is unrealistic on a grand scale.

    But ok, let's take a look at the one study/ scientist they have thrown at me most often, T. Colin Campbell and his China Study.

    Here is an editorial with clearly sourced information:
    http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html

    and another: https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-china-study-revisited/

    and another with clearly cited sources:
    http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/the-china-study-myth/

    There is enough actual science there to keep you reading for a long time if you're of a mind.

    ETA:
    Here are some additional insights:

    http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/
    http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/08/06/final-china-study-response-html/
    http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/09/22/forks-over-knives-is-the-science-legit-a-review-and-critique/
    http://rawfoodsos.com/2011/07/31/one-year-later-the-china-study-revisited-and-re-bashed/
    http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/09/02/the-china-study-wheat-and-heart-disease-oh-my/
    http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/16/the-china-study-my-response-to-campbell/

    Man, you trying to keep me busy for a while with those links! LOL
    Even if I tried eliminating fat, I'd fail. Just had a White Chocolate Madadamia Nut Clif Bar.

    All diets if followed to a T will help you lose or gain weight but I don't trust them anymore.
    I remember what worked for me before, but it was bad and unhealthy with all those energy fat pills I was taking and starving myself on 1,500 calories a day!

    My "lifelong" health and fitness goals have been achieved by going plant based. It's been 2 years and is automatic now. I don't have to worry about getting fat but now I'm focusing on a short term 6 pack goal, asthetic and athletic goals so I'm experimenting with carbs, proteins, and fats ratios but from mostly plant based, not processed. I'm not into that bulking and cutting bodybuilders do. For some reason my friends always seem to be bulking...

    I read up on Atkins and I don't like that one at all.
    Check this out http://www.atkinsfacts.org

    I agree with you that most, if not all diets when followed can help you lose or gain... the true difference will be nutrition and health markers which can only be verified by blood-work.

    Your lifelong goals sound well thought out and I wish you all the best. My goals are purely strength based right now and less for aesthetics. I'll follow up with aesthetics once I've reached the strength goals I'm reaching for, but this does require me to run a constant lean/clean bulk but since I'm not competing currently, I don't really need to bulk/cut. I run clean bulk until I hit goals, and then run slow recomp to get back to the bf% that I prefer. It's a much more time consuming process, but again, since I'm not competing not a big deal. I'm not in a hurry, so no real worries there.
  • DaddieCat
    DaddieCat Posts: 3,643 Member
    enterdanger wrote: »
    I'll have to try post punk kitchen. The name appeals to me. oi.

    As it should. great place and seemingly good people making amazing food.
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