Shall I give up running?!

lottieelsie2016
lottieelsie2016 Posts: 8 Member
edited November 30 in Fitness and Exercise
I'm trying to lose weight. I'm 5'3 and weight 9 stone 7lbs. The last three weeks I have been running at least 3x 5k per week. Mostly four runs per week and I am eating a calorie deficit (1200/day). And get this.... I've put on 3lbs?! How has this happened? I'm eating well no cookies or crisps or chocolate or anything. Is running just not that good for losing weight? Or am I missing something? Please help! X

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  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    a calorie deficit is good for losing weight.

    do you weigh everything you eat?

    have you put on a pound a week for 3 weeks, or just 3lbs when you've weighed this week?
  • snowflake954
    snowflake954 Posts: 8,399 Member
    edited March 2016
    Are you weighing and measuring all your food? Do you have a digital scale? Most people make their mistake there. Sometimes it's just water weight if you haven't exercised before.
  • lottieelsie2016
    lottieelsie2016 Posts: 8 Member
    Well it's been gradually going up... I haven't done this much exercise in years and years... I would say I am eating much less that before but I do not have scales so perhaps this is where the problem lies. I am eating a full meal less than I usually do! And snacking on grapes and satsumas... It's really demotivating!
  • snowflake954
    snowflake954 Posts: 8,399 Member
    You have no idea what your calorie intake is. Eating good food makes no difference. You can overeat on it without even knowing it. I recommend weighing and measuring for a couple of weeks, then come back if you're still having problems. A digital scale costs very little, and can save you from spinning your wheels--which is only frustrating.
  • lottieelsie2016
    lottieelsie2016 Posts: 8 Member
    I'm using my fitness pal and scanning the barcode of everything. Is that not accurate?
  • CollieFit
    CollieFit Posts: 1,683 Member
    Not everything you eat will have a barcode.
    I assume you may eat loose vegetables, etc. Also when you scan your pasta for example, do you just assume that what comes up is the same as your portion? You need to weigh stuff.

    By the way I can easily temporarily gain 5lb in a week around TOTM. Could it be that?
  • jacquifrench304
    jacquifrench304 Posts: 131 Member
    Try using a food scale to be sure of your calorie intact .I suspect if you are a little sore after your new running exercise you may be retaining water , sore muscles for me can be = to up to 2kg of water weight. This can take up to a few months to settle down. When I started running at deficit my weight went up a little to start with from water ... But then dropped by 4kg in 2 weeks.
  • ironhajee
    ironhajee Posts: 384 Member
    Don't give up.
  • LivingtheLeanDream
    LivingtheLeanDream Posts: 13,342 Member
    edited March 2016
    how on earth do you run with only 1200 calories!
    If you are accurately tracking your cals then you have not gained 3lbs.
    There is likely some water retention from either new or increased running/exercise..or other factors like hormones/ more sodium than usual, or more carbs etc.
    New exercise can cause scale fluctuations for around 3 to 4 weeks.
  • lottieelsie2016
    lottieelsie2016 Posts: 8 Member
    Ok yes I will get some scales I think that's a good idea thank you. I am hoping its water weight as eating so much less than before. I will buy scales and keep trying.... Thank you
  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,809 Member
    edited March 2016
    Shall I give up running?!
    In your circumatances of complaining about gaining weight surely you meant "should I run more?".

    Suggest you have a good read of all the sticky threads at the top of the various forums.

    Also ever time you change your routine give it at least a month to see the effect of th change on your weight trend.
  • yirara
    yirara Posts: 9,986 Member
    You also mentioned you're fairly new to working out. People store more water when changing their workout routine. It might take a while to get rid of this extra water weight. Also time of the month: another moment where woman store more water (for me it takes about 4-10 days to lose again. though I hardly ever stop with the pill), been on a flight or a long bus/train journey? Another reason for more water weight. Eaten more salt lately? yes, another reason.

    But the most important thing really is: don't give up, and do weigh everything you eat on a digital scale in grams.
  • amgreenwell
    amgreenwell Posts: 1,267 Member
    I would assume you need more calories to fuel your runs...your body will hold onto weight if you don't. Otherwise, running melts the weight.
  • tincanonastring
    tincanonastring Posts: 3,944 Member
    I would assume you need more calories to fuel your runs...your body will hold onto weight if you don't. Otherwise, running melts the weight.

    What? No it won't. If you maintain a calorie deficit over an extended period of time, you will lose weight. Your body won't hang onto it. Eating more will not cause weight loss.

    OP, I agree with the others about using a food scale. Also, make sure you are verifying the numbers of the food database entries you are choosing. Some of them are wildly incorrect and could cause you to be over on your calories without realizing it. Are you eating back your exercise calories?
  • stealthq
    stealthq Posts: 4,298 Member
    I would assume you need more calories to fuel your runs...your body will hold onto weight if you don't. Otherwise, running melts the weight.

    The answer to 'help, I'm not losing' is never 'eat more' unless the person can't get a deficit going because they're burnt out. Then they could benefit mentally from a break. But they won't be losing weight on it.

    OP, first, you're at a healthy weight, so weight loss will be slow. I recommend you start using TrendWeight to see what your weight's doing long term. It can help when it looks like the scale's not moving but it's actually slowly trending downward.

    OP, if this running is new to you - longer distances or faster than you're used to running you can easily be holding on to water weight that masks actual weight loss. If you jumped into 3x 5k from nothing, you'll probably hold onto it for a long time. Your body has a lot of repair work and adaptation to do. But eventually the scale will start moving down if you are in a deficit.

    Do tighten up your logging so you know you're eating what you think you are and can make adjustments if you're not.
  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    I would assume you need more calories to fuel your runs...your body will hold onto weight if you don't. Otherwise, running melts the weight.

    Running doesn't 'melt the weight', a calorie deficit does
  • SarcasmIsMyLoveLanguage
    SarcasmIsMyLoveLanguage Posts: 2,668 Member
    You can run around the world and you won't lose weight if you're still in a caloric surplus.
    Weigh and measure EVERYTHING you eat.
  • rsenor
    rsenor Posts: 57 Member
    edited March 2016
    Don't give up!!! When you are running make sure you going at a reasonable pace. That's the biggest question for me: Am I pushing myself? Its easy to get into the groove of a pace with any repetitive cardio and not really get a lot out of it. I personally really don't enjoy running so when I do it I do short bursts of Fartleks- sprinting as hard as possible followed by walking. There's a lot out there about the benefits of very high-intensity cardio for short periods...

    Also you are close to a healthy weight- I would highly suggest taking measurements and photos and not obsessing about the scale too much. You're probably gaining muscle- which weighs more than fat- and so its not uncommon to see a bump in weight as you swap them out. I am about your size and entered a fitness competition years ago, and when I did I lost a whopping 4 pounds!

    Finally, not all calories are equal in terms of how your body responds. Grapes and satsumas are super high-sugar and if your body's glucose stores are full, it will convert any sugar to fat. On portions, if you don't have a scale you could also use measuring cups; I'm not entirely clear on why folks here are stressing a rather expensive scale when a set of measuring cups would do just fine.





  • tincanonastring
    tincanonastring Posts: 3,944 Member
    edited March 2016
    rsenor wrote: »
    Also you are close to a healthy weight- I would highly suggest taking measurements and photos and not obsessing about the scale too much. You're probably gaining muscle- which weighs more than fat- and so its not uncommon to see a bump in weight as you swap them out. I am about your size and entered a fitness competition years ago, and when I did I lost a whopping 4 pounds!
    No one is gaining muscle mass doing mid-intensity running on a calorie deficit.
    Finally, not all calories are equal in terms of how your body responds. Grapes and satsumas are super high-sugar and if your body's glucose stores are full, it will convert any sugar to fat.
    How will it do that in an energy deficit?
    On portions, if you don't have a scale you could also use measuring cups; I'm not entirely clear on why folks here are stressing a rather expensive scale when a set of measuring cups would do just fine.
    Because the difference in weighed portions versus using measuring cups can run into the hundreds of calories.

    There's a lot of wrong information in your post.
  • steph2strong
    steph2strong Posts: 426 Member
    My husband used to snack on grapes (you mentioned these were one of your snacks). Well when he started accurately measuring and logging his food he noticed he was consuming over 500 calories from grapes. That essentially canceled out any deficit from exercise... for something he considered healthy "free" food.
  • stealthq
    stealthq Posts: 4,298 Member
    rsenor wrote: »
    Don't give up!!! When you are running make sure you going at a reasonable pace. That's the biggest question for me: Am I pushing myself? Its easy to get into the groove of a pace with any repetitive cardio and not really get a lot out of it. I personally really don't enjoy running so when I do it I do short bursts of Fartleks- sprinting as hard as possible followed by walking. There's a lot out there about the benefits of very high-intensity cardio for short periods...

    Also you are close to a healthy weight- I would highly suggest taking measurements and photos and not obsessing about the scale too much. You're probably gaining muscle- which weighs more than fat- and so its not uncommon to see a bump in weight as you swap them out. I am about your size and entered a fitness competition years ago, and when I did I lost a whopping 4 pounds!

    Finally, not all calories are equal in terms of how your body responds. Grapes and satsumas are super high-sugar and if your body's glucose stores are full, it will convert any sugar to fat. On portions, if you don't have a scale you could also use measuring cups; I'm not entirely clear on why folks here are stressing a rather expensive scale when a set of measuring cups would do just fine.

    Yes, there are - cardiovascular benefits (VO2 max). None that help particularly with weight loss over any other kind of running. Lower intensity cardio has a lot of cardiovascular benefits as well (endurance, stroke volume).

    OP's at a healthy weight. If she's in a deficit, she's not gaining muscle - not running, not if she were lifting. She'd need to be in a surplus for that.

    Which doesn't matter if OP is in a deficit - the fat is getting used from body stores to compensate for the deficit. Besides, excess carbs, fat, protein - all stored as fat. It's not a property exclusive to sugar.

    We insist on a scale only if the person is having trouble losing because measuring cups are inaccurate and logging is nearly always the culprit. You'll notice professional bakers, who rely on accuracy don't use measuring cups except for liquids - they use a scale. People don't pack measuring cups the same way. Ever seen the debate on how to scoop flour into a measuring cup so you get the 'right' amount? Do you dip and sweep then level, do you fluff it then spoon it into the cup and then level, do you sift the whole thing first then spoon it into the cup and then level. It makes a lot of difference. With flour, you can change measurements by 20%+ with differences in packing. With something like cooked rice, you can change them by 200%+.
  • lynn1982
    lynn1982 Posts: 1,439 Member
    edited March 2016
    Sigh... you are either:
    A) Eating more calories than you think
    B ) Burning less calories than you think
    C) A combination of A + B.

    I'm not sure why, considering you actually don't know how many calories you are eating, you would think running 5 km three or so times per week is the culprit. Do you know how many calories you are burning during these runs? For comparison, I am a few inches shorter than you and weigh a bit less than you and I burn about 250 calories on a 5k run. You would burn more than that, but I think people also tend to over estimate their calorie burns...
  • dbashby
    dbashby Posts: 44 Member
    This clearly has to be a calorie measuring issue. Most probably underestimating serving size, a mistake I made in the early days and the reason I got a scale. I know not everything can be scanned (even then you must accurately represent your number of servings) so it has to be weighed. If I'm in the position of guestimating, I always do so against my interest (overestimating calories/servings) with the worst case scenario being a pleasant surprise on weigh in day. Don't feel bad we all make mistakes in the beginning. One mistake, I also think your making by the way you posed your question is and a couple of people referenced here but didn't say it overtly. Exercise does not cause weight loss, only a calorie deficit does that. Every study that isolates exercise as the only variable shows this to be true. basically what happens is the people eat back the calories they burned off. Notice, I did not say that exercise is not healthy for you every study confirms that it is. Its just from a weight loss only perspective there is really no cause and effect here. What does exist is more of a correlative behavior. People who have lost weight and keep it off, almost always are those who exercise . Exercise in this scenario IMO is sort of a measure of your level of commitment so if your exercising your also more likely to be watching your diet (while the last part is my opinion, I don't think its too much of a leap to get there). It is hard to convince people that exercise doesn't cause weight loss because its been drummed into our consciousness since as long as I can remember. Like I said I only brought it up because the way you phrased the question and I have seen too many people get discouraged when exercise alone didn't solve their weight issue.
  • lynn1982
    lynn1982 Posts: 1,439 Member
    dbashby wrote: »
    This clearly has to be a calorie measuring issue. Most probably underestimating serving size, a mistake I made in the early days and the reason I got a scale. I know not everything can be scanned (even then you must accurately represent your number of servings) so it has to be weighed. If I'm in the position of guestimating, I always do so against my interest (overestimating calories/servings) with the worst case scenario being a pleasant surprise on weigh in day. Don't feel bad we all make mistakes in the beginning. One mistake, I also think your making by the way you posed your question is and a couple of people referenced here but didn't say it overtly. Exercise does not cause weight loss, only a calorie deficit does that. Every study that isolates exercise as the only variable shows this to be true. basically what happens is the people eat back the calories they burned off. Notice, I did not say that exercise is not healthy for you every study confirms that it is. Its just from a weight loss only perspective there is really no cause and effect here. What does exist is more of a correlative behavior. People who have lost weight and keep it off, almost always are those who exercise . Exercise in this scenario IMO is sort of a measure of your level of commitment so if your exercising your also more likely to be watching your diet (while the last part is my opinion, I don't think its too much of a leap to get there). It is hard to convince people that exercise doesn't cause weight loss because its been drummed into our consciousness since as long as I can remember. Like I said I only brought it up because the way you phrased the question and I have seen too many people get discouraged when exercise alone didn't solve their weight issue.

    Your reasoning is backwards. Exercise can lead to a calorie deficit, which leads to weight loss. Therefore, exercise can lead to weight loss... If people are eating back everything they have burned and therefore no longer in a calorie deficit, the reason is not because exercise does not cause weight loss. It will if it leaves one in a calorie deficit.
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