Beach body 21 day fix
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ManiacalLaugh wrote: »The diet is not 100% of the reason why people get riled up about BeachBody. No, it doesn't teach actual portion control, but that's not why people hulk out when they see these threads.
It's the constant inundation of deceptive advertising inexperienced "coaches" constantly bombard us with. It's a pyramid scam - with overpriced products. The whole program is designed, from the foundation, to rip people off. $130 per month for a protein shake is obscene - and promoting it as something that does anything more than what a typical protein shake will do is a flat-out lie. The diet is an expensive tupperware set. And it's pretty much guaranteed that whichever "coach" you buy them from will try to recruit you at some point. (They don't want to sell to you - they want you to do the selling for them.)
Also - calling yourself a "coach" when you have no education, are not certified, and have absolutely no concept of thermogenesis or physical fitness - that's just irresponsible and possibly dangerous.
So yeah - people get mad when they see others, in ignorance, throwing their money away on snake oil and false promises when they could be succeeding for free.
Trust me when I say I understand the Beachbody hate. This is why every time I have something positive to say about something Beachbody related, I always preface my statements with "I am not a Beachbody Coach. I do not drink/sell Shakeology. I did not even buy the program." They have great workouts, but the coach and Shakeology aspects really do give them a bad name. On the other side of things, I feel bad for the people who just come here to ask a question about one of their programs and are immediately bombarded with how bad Beachbody is, etc.
I fully agree that for weight loss, MFP is the way to go. I also fully agree that nobody should put their trust in a "coach" that isn't certified, has no concepts of fitness, and just wants to recruit people in order to get discounts on Beachbody stuff. It makes me sad when I see posts about Shakeology, green tea, garcinia cambogia, raspberry ketones, or the new "miracle" weight loss method of the week. Like you, I just want to see everyone succeed. I think we've all been in that pre-MFP weight loss boat and we know how it feels to struggle and/or fail. Some people just have to remember that they didn't come to MFP with all the knowledge they have now either. Unfortunately that's mostly the fault of the diet industry.0 -
If y'all think any of the posts on here were rude then you have some really thin skin my friends. I asked about why you'd restart something because that's the way people who use the 21 Day Fix phrase it themselves. If it's a continuous process then say that.
People don't hate on it but question why pay such a ridiculous amount of money when you have tons of different programs and apps that do the same thing out there for free? Myself and someone else suggested fitness blender because it's free and it mixes up all different kinds of workouts.
No one was hating on 21 Day Fix, cracks me up when people hear something they don't want it's "hating on". Everyone is allowed to have their opinion.0 -
youngmomtaz wrote: »I feel like people on here get a bit rude when it comes to beach body..
People are "rude" about Beachbody because BB coaches come on here all the time telling people to contact them off line, in an effort to sell to them. And they are all over Facebook. And Twitter. And Instagram. And they're salespeople, not coaches. But yeah, unfortunately their great workouts tend to get overshadowed by their over-the-top marketing and annoying MLM system.
Disappointed to hear the containers come with Hammer & Chisel, because I was thinking of getting that one. Maybe I can use the containers as little planters
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ManiacalLaugh wrote: »The diet is not 100% of the reason why people get riled up about BeachBody. No, it doesn't teach actual portion control, but that's not why people hulk out when they see these threads.
It's the constant inundation of deceptive advertising inexperienced "coaches" constantly bombard us with. It's a pyramid scam - with overpriced products. The whole program is designed, from the foundation, to rip people off. $130 per month for a protein shake is obscene - and promoting it as something that does anything more than what a typical protein shake will do is a flat-out lie. The diet is an expensive tupperware set. And it's pretty much guaranteed that whichever "coach" you buy them from will try to recruit you at some point. (They don't want to sell to you - they want you to do the selling for them.)
Also - calling yourself a "coach" when you have no education, are not certified, and have absolutely no concept of thermogenesis or physical fitness - that's just irresponsible and possibly dangerous.
So yeah - people get mad when they see others, in ignorance, throwing their money away on snake oil and false promises when they could be succeeding for free.
The bolded part is the biggest point of objection for me (along with the pushy, spammy advertising, even where it's explicitly forbidden for them to do so - like anywhere on MFP). Beachbody allows their salespeople to call themselves "coaches" when they have absolutely no training, education, certification and most of the time not even a most rudimentary knowledge of anything pertaining to health, fitness, nutrition or training. The only "qualifications" they have is that they paid their $39.99 fee to become a "coach". But using the title of "coach" makes them sound more credible to naïve/gullible people who don't realize what a scam Beachbody is. Most of the so-called "coaches" don't know anything about anything except the Beachbody advertising hype and how to peddle shakes, and I wouldn't trust any of them for fitness or nutrition advice any more than I'd trust some woo peddler like Dr. Oz.
The workout DVDs are supposedly decent (if that's your thing), but their "supplements" (Snakeoilogy, etc.) are overpriced, inferior-quality garbage filled with worthless ingredients which haven't been scientifically proven to do any of the things they claim. You could go to Walmart and buy a better quality shake for much less money.youngmomtaz wrote:I feel like people on here get a bit rude when it comes to beach body.
Well, I think it's extremely rude for the Beachbody salespeople to come on MFP trying to push their products and recruit members when it's explicitly forbidden for them to do so here.0 -
Agreed with all! I don't think any post in this particular thread was rude either. There have been other posts where some comments were more direct, which also isn't rude to me but, as already stated, not everyone has thick skin. No matter the subject, a lot of people who post here for help get upset if they don't hear what they want to. Like on 99% of "plateau" threads where it turns out the poster is eating more than they think and they get highly offended at the suggestion.0
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I guess what felt rude to me was the question "why would you have to restart the program". It seemed to imply they those who used it were immediately putting on weight the second they were done the 21 days and it also felt like the question was asked in a way that would pick apart any answer they were given. Just the way I read it maybe. I am pretty straight forward and just read their statements as "I am starting another round". The same way as I would start a new running plan or weight lifting schedule.
I do understand about the coaches. They drive me crazy. But I also think that I can learn to ignore them as easily as the lady in the mall trying to spray perfume on me or the foghorn sound that happens when I answer the phone and have magically won a trip. I understand the guidelines of the forum, I jut think that people can sometimes fend for themselves. Make a sticky about MLM companies so people can understand how they work and when a legit question is asked about the programs let the answers speak for themselves.0 -
sandralmcgeough wrote: »I LOVE this program! Just restarted it on Monday. It's so easy to follow and the workouts are just 30 minutes!! I am a coach for them and have done most of their programs, so if you have any questions feel free to reach out
If it's so good why did you need to 'restart' it
did it not teach you how to maintain?
I feel like no matter how many threads are started like this and no matter how many times this question is asked no answer is ever given!!! Please someone answer it - Why do you need to RESTART something?
When they say "restart" it means to do it again for another 21 days because they have more weight too lose. You can only loose so much in 3 weeks so for ppl who need to loose more then let's say 15lbs they do the program again to continue to reach their weight goal.
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sandralmcgeough wrote: »I LOVE this program! Just restarted it on Monday. It's so easy to follow and the workouts are just 30 minutes!! I am a coach for them and have done most of their programs, so if you have any questions feel free to reach out
If it's so good why did you need to 'restart' it
did it not teach you how to maintain?
I feel like no matter how many threads are started like this and no matter how many times this question is asked no answer is ever given!!! Please someone answer it - Why do you need to RESTART something?
When they say "restart" it means to do it again for another 21 days because they have more weight too lose. You can only loose so much in 3 weeks so for ppl who need to loose more then let's say 15lbs they do the program again to continue to reach their weight goal.
it means they want sell you more product.0 -
I do not feel people are being rude when they give information and their feelings about a product. I was one of those people who wanted to cling to the hope of a miracle product. When I started reading the boards and reading about what people were saying, I started doing my research - and not just on the company's website! I did a lot of digging around and found out how to truly lose the weight.
There is a difference between giving negative feedback about a product than being a negative and rude.
That being said, there are plenty of articles out there about how to spot a "diet scam" and 21 Day Fix fits into that. The whole "fix" thing is what gets me. Losing weight is not a fix. It is a change of habit for a lifetime. You did not gain the weight in 21 days, you are not going to lose it in 21 days.
The whole 21 Day Fix system is just a glorified way to eat at a calorie deficit. It is an expensive way. It does not really teach you about foods and nutrition. It teaches you how to fill containers. I did one round and lost nothing, and wanted to eat my foot I was so hungry. Plus, I love food and could not deal with not being able to eat foods I love.0 -
I want to try the 21DF but I need the containers. I have the work outs already.0
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I do not feel people are being rude when they give information and their feelings about a product. I was one of those people who wanted to cling to the hope of a miracle product. When I started reading the boards and reading about what people were saying, I started doing my research - and not just on the company's website! I did a lot of digging around and found out how to truly lose the weight.
There is a difference between giving negative feedback about a product than being a negative and rude.
That being said, there are plenty of articles out there about how to spot a "diet scam" and 21 Day Fix fits into that. The whole "fix" thing is what gets me. Losing weight is not a fix. It is a change of habit for a lifetime. You did not gain the weight in 21 days, you are not going to lose it in 21 days.
The whole 21 Day Fix system is just a glorified way to eat at a calorie deficit. It is an expensive way. It does not really teach you about foods and nutrition. It teaches you how to fill containers. I did one round and lost nothing, and wanted to eat my foot I was so hungry. Plus, I love food and could not deal with not being able to eat foods I love.
I have mixed feeling about this. I think that the idea is good (the putting food into color coded containers, not the shakes, or MLM, and I'm not that interested in the exercise part), but that the "fix" in the name is unfortunate, and the idea that it "takes three weeks to change a habit" ridiculous. It's a brief introduction to food groups and can be useful for those who have no knowledge at all about nutrition. But all that information can be found online for free, on reputable sites (NHS, USDA etc). It tells you what to eat, not how to eat. It teaches helplessness. It obfuscates simple concepts, making eating right magic instead of life skill. It lacks flexibility. Exactly the opposite of what Myfitnesspal stands for (in my opinion).
Sometimes these threads feel heavily scripted (they all follow the same pattern, using the same wording, pushing the same buttons) - I suspect that many of them are marketing. Why else would anyone feel the need to bring in another system, using a fundamentally different approach, when you already have a complete system that works, unless there were money involved?0 -
ManiacalLaugh wrote: »You don't have to do anything to sign up as a BeachBody Coach. You don't even have to have actually used the program itself - so watch out for those guys. They will try to sign you up as a coach as well; they get bonuses for this similar to what would happen in a pyramid scheme.
BUT - I loved the workouts. Definitely give those a try, but IMO, dump the diet side of it.
It isn't LIKE a pyramid scheme. It IS a pyramid scheme.
They make money through recruitment.0 -
Im sure ive seen the workouts on youtube and you can easly pick up food boxes cheap enough. And buy and healthy eating book. Im loving joe wicks right now. Although he doesnt count calories. And he does HIIT workout. You can find him on youtube too. Hos book i have its get lean in 15. Great recipes on there x0
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When they say restarting it means doing another round of it . I personally tried the 21 day fix . Lost 5 lbs and tons of inches . Got off the program and gained it all back so I wouldn't recommend it0
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amandamay83 wrote: »Chellellelle wrote: »I absolutely love the 21 Day Fix program.
The containers make it so simple to make sure you are getting the correct amount of food, you just have to do some planning with it.
The workouts are awesome, too. They're hard, but basically only has hard as you want to make them.
I have completed one round and I lost about 4 pounds and 12 total inches in the 21 Days.
Not to say that isn't nice, but I lost 12 lbs in a month just by using MFP and counting calories. I'm not sure that 4 lbs in 3 weeks so so dramatic as to say, "You MUST have this program!"
I really want to get PiYo and was going to buy it through a friend/"coach." She had me talked into trying the shakes. THEN I saw the price: the shakes are $130/mo! Unless they're going to make me drop a pound a day, you cannot convince me they're that magical.
I hadn't lost any weight in months, so seeing a 4 pound loss for me was great. Even when I was losing weight regularly I usually only lost half a pound a week. My biggest issue is portion control and the containers really help with that.
And yes, sorry I should have clarified that the 12 inches was total inches. I figured a lot of people knew how Beach Body has you measure.
I think the 21 Day Fix is great to help someone starting out jump into portion control and working out regularly. That's kind of the point of it, to get you started on your journey. Some people decide to continue completing other rounds and others just move on to other workouts and continue eating better.0 -
What is the source of this deep attraction women have with X day cleanses and Y day weight loss programs?0
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If you don't know how to portion out your meals or exercise, then it may help. Otherwise it's just an expensive Tupperware purchase.
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itsthehumidity wrote: »What is the source of this deep attraction women have with X day cleanses and Y day weight loss programs?
I have been bad, so I have to make up for it, and get the bad stuff out, and it has to happen quickly, because I don't do patience very well, and when I'm slim and healthy again, I go back to eating whatever I like in whatever quantities, because diets doesn't work
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I blame Hollywood and Women's magazines. The truth is that women will spend more money than men on personal improvement and the fitness and diet industry takes advantage of it by inventing worthless regimens and programs that sound legit to entice them to make the purchase. IMO, it's a total insult to females by lying to them to make a profit.itsthehumidity wrote: »What is the source of this deep attraction women have with X day cleanses and Y day weight loss programs?
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I blame Hollywood and Women's magazines. The truth is that women will spend more money than men on personal improvement and the fitness and diet industry takes advantage of it by inventing worthless regimens and programs that sound legit to entice them to make the purchase. IMO, it's a total insult to females by lying to them to make a profit.itsthehumidity wrote: »What is the source of this deep attraction women have with X day cleanses and Y day weight loss programs?
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That sounds reasonable to me. I wish this stuff would go away, but I know it never will.0 -
kommodevaran wrote: »itsthehumidity wrote: »What is the source of this deep attraction women have with X day cleanses and Y day weight loss programs?
I have been bad, so I have to make up for it, and get the bad stuff out, and it has to happen quickly, because I don't do patience very well, and when I'm slim and healthy again, I go back to eating whatever I like in whatever quantities, because diets doesn't work
lol, troll.0 -
itsthehumidity wrote: »What is the source of this deep attraction women have with X day cleanses and Y day weight loss programs?
It's not just women, programs are designed with time limits because human beings tend to do better with clear time lines and designations. It makes things more manageable mentally. There are plenty of bodybuilding programs that have you lifting X% of your max for a certain number of reps or during a time period, or doing certain exercises per week, and then when you get to the end…you start all over again, perhaps tweaking your max and changing the percentages, but still doing the same thing. People love them some schedules and boxes they can check off.
When doing home workouts like the ones from Beachbody, doing a program again doesn't mean it didn't work, as people will often re-do a program they like at a higher intensity. I've seen a lot of people who went from following the modifier for every exercise to being able to do the entire program at the normal level, and even doing some movements at the most difficult level. I'm not sure why anyone would look down on someone who is improving or assume that they are doing something again because the first time was a failure.0 -
itsthehumidity wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »itsthehumidity wrote: »What is the source of this deep attraction women have with X day cleanses and Y day weight loss programs?
I have been bad, so I have to make up for it, and get the bad stuff out, and it has to happen quickly, because I don't do patience very well, and when I'm slim and healthy again, I go back to eating whatever I like in whatever quantities, because diets doesn't work
lol, troll.
No, that's probably fairly accurate. See the "clean eating" threads, for example; labeling a food "clean" implies that there are foods that are "not clean"; likewise, people talk about "bad" foods. It's not a far jump, especially for someone who's depressed about how they look, to go from "that food is bad" to "I am bad for having eaten a bad food".0 -
save your money, measure and weigh your food, cut your calories and you will lose.0
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I don't really think X day cleanses and Y day weight loss programs are gender specific, honestly. I've seen a lot of men flock to things like P90X and a whole bunch of snake oil supplements in the name of gains.
As far as 21 Day Fix is concerned, when I first started losing weight, I downloaded the workouts and did them, but did not follow the eating plan. I completed C25K at the same time. I'm not inept, so I didn't choose 21 Day Fix because I thought I'd be slim in 21 days. I chose to do it because I liked the variety of workouts and I like workout schedules/structure. I wanted something to supplement the running. It was a great starting point and it did work well, but after two rounds of it and 21 Day Fix Extreme, I moved on because the program became way too easy.
The bottom line of the program:- Can teach people proper portion control, especially those who are unfamiliar with calorie counting/CICO.
- Can have you overeating or undereating depending on your level of activity. If I followed that food plan, I'd be netting ridiculously low calories.
- Has a variety of workouts which can prevent you from getting bored.
- Shakeology is completely unnecessary and is not needed at all to achieve results.
- The "clean" eating focus is unnecessary as well.
- It's a good beginner to intermediate program; if you want to do more for your body composition, you will have to eventually take up workouts more challenging.
- 21 Day Fix does not mean you will be "fixed" in 21 days. The name is supposed to be catchy and it's because there is a notion that it takes 21 days to form a habit. That's all.
- This program is not special. If you're eating at a calorie deficit, you will lose weight. If you are doing so while working out, even better. It doesn't have to be 21 Day Fix for you to see progress.
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sandralmcgeough wrote: »I LOVE this program! Just restarted it on Monday. It's so easy to follow and the workouts are just 30 minutes!! I am a coach for them and have done most of their programs, so if you have any questions feel free to reach out
If it's so good why did you need to 'restart' it
did it not teach you how to maintain?
I feel like no matter how many threads are started like this and no matter how many times this question is asked no answer is ever given!!! Please someone answer it - Why do you need to RESTART something?
It does teach you how to maintain. When people revisit the program again, and again, it's because they are trying to keep losing weight, and enjoy the system. Her workouts are short, and doable. I am a "coach"... In the sense it's a term for those people who enjoy sharing their journey with others, and can help someone with similar issues. There is no " scheme " attached to it. I enjoy the discount as a"coach ", share my journey with others to keep myself accountable, and if someone is interested in trying things out, I let them know the products I've tried and guide them to what may help them. BUT, as with anything... It's up to them, and their will power to get healthy. 21dayfix & fixextreme are programs that provide containers to learn portion control and short workouts that vary daily. If the system is followed you learn alot about your habits, and building new ones. Not arguing about the container issues, the book, or the workouts, but if the whole system isn't in place you won't get the results. If you have any questions just holler0 -
I agree with others about BB. I did follow the plan for 21 days and lost lbs and inches. However, I didn't like the shake or the containers. I like the workouts, dirty 30 and pilates are my favorite workouts. I felt like the containers overwhelmed me and I kept focusing on what I "couldn't" eat vs. eating certain foods in moderation. I RESTARTED mfp because I have an addiction to food. I've been back on mfp for 10 days. I'm down 1.1 lb from keeping in my calorie range and working out with the BB dvds. I would like to buy the second edition of the BB workouts, but I refuse to pay $70+ again for 7 workouts. I wish you all well.
The workout DVDs wouldn't be that much. You can buy them separately, or even just certain ones0 -
itsthehumidity wrote: »What is the source of this deep attraction women have with X day cleanses and Y day weight loss programs?
It's not just women, programs are designed with time limits because human beings tend to do better with clear time lines and designations. It makes things more manageable mentally. There are plenty of bodybuilding programs that have you lifting X% of your max for a certain number of reps or during a time period, or doing certain exercises per week, and then when you get to the end…you start all over again, perhaps tweaking your max and changing the percentages, but still doing the same thing. People love them some schedules and boxes they can check off.
When doing home workouts like the ones from Beachbody, doing a program again doesn't mean it didn't work, as people will often re-do a program they like at a higher intensity. I've seen a lot of people who went from following the modifier for every exercise to being able to do the entire program at the normal level, and even doing some movements at the most difficult level. I'm not sure why anyone would look down on someone who is improving or assume that they are doing something again because the first time was a failure.
Right, it's not just women. They just make up the overwhelming majority of people asking questions about detoxes, diet shakes, 21 day cleanses, and so on. It's a clear pattern, and that's what made me curious.0 -
I don't really think X day cleanses and Y day weight loss programs are gender specific, honestly. I've seen a lot of men flock to things like P90X and a whole bunch of snake oil supplements in the name of gains.
As far as 21 Day Fix is concerned, when I first started losing weight, I downloaded the workouts and did them, but did not follow the eating plan. I completed C25K at the same time. I'm not inept, so I didn't choose 21 Day Fix because I thought I'd be slim in 21 days. I chose to do it because I liked the variety of workouts and I like workout schedules/structure. I wanted something to supplement the running. It was a great starting point and it did work well, but after two rounds of it and 21 Day Fix Extreme, I moved on because the program became way too easy.
The bottom line of the program:- Can teach people proper portion control, especially those who are unfamiliar with calorie counting/CICO.
- Can have you overeating or undereating depending on your level of activity. If I followed that food plan, I'd be netting ridiculously low calories.
- Has a variety of workouts which can prevent you from getting bored.
- Shakeology is completely unnecessary and is not needed at all to achieve results.
- The "clean" eating focus is unnecessary as well.
- It's a good beginner to intermediate program; if you want to do more for your body composition, you will have to eventually take up workouts more challenging.
- 21 Day Fix does not mean you will be "fixed" in 21 days. The name is supposed to be catchy and it's because there is a notion that it takes 21 days to form a habit. That's all.
- This program is not special. If you're eating at a calorie deficit, you will lose weight. If you are doing so while working out, even better. It doesn't have to be 21 Day Fix for you to see progress.
Men have their own issues, and in my experience tend to go heavy toward supplements and steroids, rather than X day cleanses, fixes, and detoxes.
I could easily ask a similar question about the source of deep attraction men have to anabolics, as it's much rarer to see a woman asking about them. But I don't because A. no one asks about them at all on MFP, and B. I think I have a better sense of the answer to that question.0 -
itsthehumidity wrote: »itsthehumidity wrote: »What is the source of this deep attraction women have with X day cleanses and Y day weight loss programs?
It's not just women, programs are designed with time limits because human beings tend to do better with clear time lines and designations. It makes things more manageable mentally. There are plenty of bodybuilding programs that have you lifting X% of your max for a certain number of reps or during a time period, or doing certain exercises per week, and then when you get to the end…you start all over again, perhaps tweaking your max and changing the percentages, but still doing the same thing. People love them some schedules and boxes they can check off.
When doing home workouts like the ones from Beachbody, doing a program again doesn't mean it didn't work, as people will often re-do a program they like at a higher intensity. I've seen a lot of people who went from following the modifier for every exercise to being able to do the entire program at the normal level, and even doing some movements at the most difficult level. I'm not sure why anyone would look down on someone who is improving or assume that they are doing something again because the first time was a failure.
Right, it's not just women. They just make up the overwhelming majority of people asking questions about detoxes, diet shakes, 21 day cleanses, and so on. It's a clear pattern, and that's what made me curious.
21 Day Fix isn't a cleanse, it's a workout program with a 21 Day cycle. You would continue to repeat the cycle for as long as you want to continue the workouts, increasing your weights if you can. There are many workout programs (not just BB workouts marketed to women) that have a set time that you do each cycle or phase of the workout.
Unfortunately it comes with the stupid little containers. But the workouts are solid and the workout program is effective.0
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