Intermittent Fasting
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Tomk652015 wrote: »so it doesn't make sense to me that the OP would suddenly lose 6lbs in week when consuming the same calories that he was before fasting. *not doubting his claims* It seems to be contrary to the "meal timing doesn't matter claims" and CICO theory.
I was just like you 2 weeks ago, it took me a week to research and see what people had to say.
Just try it for a week my friend. Create your own results.
do you feel like your logging as solid before you did the IF?0 -
I'm on day 5 of IF and dropped 4.2 pounds right off the bat. I don't think it's for everyone, but for me it's working just fine. It's making it easier for me to stay within a healthy calorie range and not go way over. I injured my back recently so my hunger levels are down... When I'm lifting weights and doing cardio my appetite goes through the roof.0
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StealthHealth wrote: »Above all, CICO rules. IF may help some to achieve that but you know that IF is not some sort of magic that in itself helps you to lose weight?
It is just a method of eating which can be used to lose, hold, or gain weight. You could quite easily gain weight whilst on 16:8, 20:4 and possibly even 22:2.
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StealthHealth wrote: »StealthHealth wrote: »Above all, CICO rules. IF may help some to achieve that but you know that IF is not some sort of magic that in itself helps you to lose weight?
It is just a method of eating which can be used to lose, hold, or gain weight. You could quite easily gain weight whilst on 16:8, 20:4 and possibly even 22:2.
from my experince using IF helped alot but prolonged peroid of a fasted state with lower amounts of fat then i should be getting put my body into fight or flight mode, so my body said "heck I'm not getting any fat & I'm stressed out so I'll just hold onto this body fat" Becuase fat is a survival gland. That's why it's a tool. And not a weight loss program. Unfortunately my lifestyle at the time hindered me to get enough fat and eat on time I regulated in IF. That's why you can gain or hold weight on IF. So I make sure when using IF to get sufficient amounts of fat "if your on a low carb plan" and eat when i should to avoid any mishaps.
I'm struggling to get what you are saying here but I think you might be saying "I ate too little fat whilst on IF and failed to lose the weight because of some biological "break" which prevents fat loss". I'm hesitant to put words in your mouth lest I get accused of creating "Straw Man" but if I've accurately described your thoughts - You're wrong. As Robert Sapolsky stated in "Why Zebra's Don't Get Ulcers" that fight or flight stress response is very short term. Additionally, look up the Minnesota starvation experiment for details on the myth of starvation mode.
I agree that it is a tool that some find useful (in fact I stated that in my first post in this thread) and that you can gain on IF - but not because of low, medium or high fat but because of high calories.
Okay dude, your right were all wrong. lol0 -
StealthHealth wrote: »StealthHealth wrote: »Above all, CICO rules. IF may help some to achieve that but you know that IF is not some sort of magic that in itself helps you to lose weight?
It is just a method of eating which can be used to lose, hold, or gain weight. You could quite easily gain weight whilst on 16:8, 20:4 and possibly even 22:2.
from my experince using IF helped alot but prolonged peroid of a fasted state with lower amounts of fat then i should be getting put my body into fight or flight mode, so my body said "heck I'm not getting any fat & I'm stressed out so I'll just hold onto this body fat" Becuase fat is a survival gland. That's why it's a tool. And not a weight loss program. Unfortunately my lifestyle at the time hindered me to get enough fat and eat on time I regulated in IF. That's why you can gain or hold weight on IF. So I make sure when using IF to get sufficient amounts of fat "if your on a low carb plan" and eat when i should to avoid any mishaps.
I'm struggling to get what you are saying here but I think you might be saying "I ate too little fat whilst on IF and failed to lose the weight because of some biological "break" which prevents fat loss". I'm hesitant to put words in your mouth lest I get accused of creating "Straw Man" but if I've accurately described your thoughts - You're wrong. As Robert Sapolsky stated in "Why Zebra's Don't Get Ulcers" that fight or flight stress response is very short term. Additionally, look up the Minnesota starvation experiment for details on the myth of starvation mode.
I agree that it is a tool that some find useful (in fact I stated that in my first post in this thread) and that you can gain on IF - but not because of low, medium or high fat but because of high calories.
Okay dude, your right were all wrong. lol
At last, a raving fan. If only my wife would agree with me more often.0 -
Tomk652015 wrote: »Tomk652015 wrote: »so it doesn't make sense to me that the OP would suddenly lose 6lbs in week when consuming the same calories that he was before fasting. *not doubting his claims* It seems to be contrary to the "meal timing doesn't matter claims" and CICO theory.
I was just like you 2 weeks ago, it took me a week to research and see what people had to say.
Just try it for a week my friend. Create your own results.
do you feel like your logging as solid before you did the IF?
yes, much better, but to be honest, I didn't log every day this week, and I didn't feel bad about it.
I don't need to worry about cramming in my little meals and hoping it all fits at the end of the day, and hoping it all adds up at the end.
I can eat larger meals, heck, this past week I had a calzone and a slice of pizza..I also add cheese to my chicken breasts at night. I also had frozen yogurt one night after dinner with sweets on top. You have room to breath on IF. IF does not mean eat what you want. I can add this stuff without feeling guilty.
I also wondered the same questions you were asking till I just tried it for a week.
Pros:
I don't need to meal prep for 5 meals a day
I don't need to calculate 5 meals and hope it fits
I can eat a larger variety of foods in one big meal + 1 small meal 2 hours later to fit my daily macro needs.
I save money on food
I reduce my risk of diabetes
I have A LOT of energy during the day! This one was a big plus!
Cons:
Haven't found any other than family/friends tells me it's stupid and wont work, so I don't talk about it anymore.0 -
StealthHealth wrote: »StealthHealth wrote: »StealthHealth wrote: »Above all, CICO rules. IF may help some to achieve that but you know that IF is not some sort of magic that in itself helps you to lose weight?
It is just a method of eating which can be used to lose, hold, or gain weight. You could quite easily gain weight whilst on 16:8, 20:4 and possibly even 22:2.
from my experince using IF helped alot but prolonged peroid of a fasted state with lower amounts of fat then i should be getting put my body into fight or flight mode, so my body said "heck I'm not getting any fat & I'm stressed out so I'll just hold onto this body fat" Becuase fat is a survival gland. That's why it's a tool. And not a weight loss program. Unfortunately my lifestyle at the time hindered me to get enough fat and eat on time I regulated in IF. That's why you can gain or hold weight on IF. So I make sure when using IF to get sufficient amounts of fat "if your on a low carb plan" and eat when i should to avoid any mishaps.
I'm struggling to get what you are saying here but I think you might be saying "I ate too little fat whilst on IF and failed to lose the weight because of some biological "break" which prevents fat loss". I'm hesitant to put words in your mouth lest I get accused of creating "Straw Man" but if I've accurately described your thoughts - You're wrong. As Robert Sapolsky stated in "Why Zebra's Don't Get Ulcers" that fight or flight stress response is very short term. Additionally, look up the Minnesota starvation experiment for details on the myth of starvation mode.
I agree that it is a tool that some find useful (in fact I stated that in my first post in this thread) and that you can gain on IF - but not because of low, medium or high fat but because of high calories.
Okay dude, your right were all wrong. lol
At last, a raving fan. If only my wife would agree with me more often.
I'm being sarcastic, and I feel sorry for your wife0 -
Tomk652015 wrote: »Tomk652015 wrote: »so it doesn't make sense to me that the OP would suddenly lose 6lbs in week when consuming the same calories that he was before fasting. *not doubting his claims* It seems to be contrary to the "meal timing doesn't matter claims" and CICO theory.
I was just like you 2 weeks ago, it took me a week to research and see what people had to say.
Just try it for a week my friend. Create your own results.
do you feel like your logging as solid before you did the IF?
yes, much better, but to be honest, I didn't log every day this week, and I didn't feel bad about it.
I don't need to worry about cramming in my little meals and hoping it all fits at the end of the day, and hoping it all adds up at the end.
I can eat larger meals, heck, this past week I had a calzone and a slice of pizza..I also add cheese to my chicken breasts at night. I also had frozen yogurt one night after dinner with sweets on top. You have room to breath on IF. IF does not mean eat what you want. I can add this stuff without feeling guilty.
I also wondered the same questions you were asking till I just tried it for a week.
Pros:
I don't need to meal prep for 5 meals a day
I don't need to calculate 5 meals and hope it fits
I can eat a larger variety of foods in one big meal + 1 small meal 2 hours later to fit my daily macro needs.
I save money on food
I reduce my risk of diabetes
I have A LOT of energy during the day! This one was a big plus!
Cons:
Haven't found any other than family/friends tells me it's stupid and wont work, so I don't talk about it anymore.
My family is stuck in the traditional diet myth mindset: "Breakfast is the most important meal of the day!" "Don't eat past 6 PM!" "Eat less, more often."
Well guess what? I am not hungry for breakfast when I wake up. I am hungry at nighy. Why not use my calories then? If I eat less, more often, I just want to keep eating. This is why I chose to try out this plan. I feel it better suits my lifestyle. But I already know that my family will disagree with it.0 -
Today is my first day starting it. However, I haven't decided exactly what hours I will make my feeding time. I want it for the evening for sure. And I will be drinking my coffee, because I don't know how I would get through my day without it plus I read that it is an appetite suppressant.
Exactly what Jacob said.
You don't have to jump into anything extreme off the start, you can always adjust.
I was off coffee for 8 weeks, then started drinking it for the meal suppressant. The gum helped too!
Let me know how your first week went.
Thanks for the advice, and to Jacob as well! I will keep you updated.0 -
I want to add that IF is not a "miracle diet" and I won't credit my weight loss on anything other than eating at a deficit. IF just helps me stay close to my goal calories for the day and not feel super hungry when I sleep at night. I cannot sleep if my stomach is grumbling.0
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I've had a lot of success with IF in the past. I semi-break fast in the AM when I have my coffee with milk, but if I'm being superstrict, I'll have bulletproof coffee instead. I do an 18:6 fast generally eating 2 meals between 12noon and 6pm. I am not hungry in the evenings, and was actually super full after dinner last night which was just 7oz of roast beef and some spinach. It's 11am here and today all I've had is coffee w/ milk and I'm not hungry at all, and I'll probably eat my first meal of the day at 12:30. I love breakfast foods, but I've never been one to want to eat first thing in the morning, so IF tends to work very well for me. I also like to eat big meals, food is very visual for me, so eating just twice a day allows me to eat bigger meals while still staying within my calorie goals.0
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I didn't like it. It didn't work well for me. I could be not hungry during my eight hours on and then starving during the 16 off. Psychological, I know but this is tough enough to do without adding to it. The biggest take-a-way I have during this weight loss journey is that something different works for everyone. There is science behind the CICO method but at the same time (contrary to what I've seen on these posts) we are all special little butterflies. Some process carbs easier than others, some have hormone imbalances, some have digestive issues, the weight seems to just roll off other people. Figure out what works for you and do it. I'm glad the OP found something that works for him.0
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I have been really looking into this type of lifestyle! It would work great with my schedule! and it might even help me a lot with my diet because I have been labeled at work as a "snacker"! lol0
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I don't do well on time-restricted IF. I eat when hungry. Sometimes it's right when I open my eyes in the morning, other times my first meal is well into the evening. If I don't eat my first meal when at a certain hunger point (which I can accurately pinpoint), I get into this ravenous state where no matter how much I eat I don't feel sated, let alone full, so I could basically be extremely hungry on calories that exceed my maintenance. Probably has to do with hormones or blood sugar because I was continuously in this state when I tried keto no matter what or how much I consumed.
What worked for me is the kind of IF where you restrict one day and don't the next. I'm not limited by meal timing, so I get to eat my first and biggest meal before I reach the point of no return be it a normal day or a fast day.0 -
michelle172415 wrote: »I've had a lot of success with IF in the past. I semi-break fast in the AM when I have my coffee with milk, but if I'm being superstrict, I'll have bulletproof coffee instead. I do an 18:6 fast generally eating 2 meals between 12noon and 6pm. I am not hungry in the evenings, and was actually super full after dinner last night which was just 7oz of roast beef and some spinach. It's 11am here and today all I've had is coffee w/ milk and I'm not hungry at all, and I'll probably eat my first meal of the day at 12:30. I love breakfast foods, but I've never been one to want to eat first thing in the morning, so IF tends to work very well for me. I also like to eat big meals, food is very visual for me, so eating just twice a day allows me to eat bigger meals while still staying within my calorie goals.
I have some pretty out of this world will power.. another reason why IF is good for me. I adjust to pretty much 22:2 in half a week of starting 16:8 I can go to the extreme without cracking.
How do you find the bulletproof coffee? I haven't read in depth about so I don't know too much about it.0 -
michelle172415 wrote: »I've had a lot of success with IF in the past. I semi-break fast in the AM when I have my coffee with milk, but if I'm being superstrict, I'll have bulletproof coffee instead. I do an 18:6 fast generally eating 2 meals between 12noon and 6pm. I am not hungry in the evenings, and was actually super full after dinner last night which was just 7oz of roast beef and some spinach. It's 11am here and today all I've had is coffee w/ milk and I'm not hungry at all, and I'll probably eat my first meal of the day at 12:30. I love breakfast foods, but I've never been one to want to eat first thing in the morning, so IF tends to work very well for me. I also like to eat big meals, food is very visual for me, so eating just twice a day allows me to eat bigger meals while still staying within my calorie goals.
I have some pretty out of this world will power.. another reason why IF is good for me. I adjust to pretty much 22:2 in half a week of starting 16:8 I can go to the extreme without cracking.
How do you find the bulletproof coffee? I haven't read in depth about so I don't know too much about it.
For me it isn't even about willpower, I often just am not hungry. I am just starting to get hungry now and haven't eaten since 6pm last night.
I like the bulletproof coffee, it's actually pretty tasty. I don't bother with the separate MCT's as I feel as though I get enough from my coconut oil. I use my own homemade butter which is delicious on it's own, but in my coffee makes it super smooth and creamy.
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While I am a fan of IF, and generally follow the 16:8 protocol, there's some "interesting" logic in this thread. I don't log and have been in maintenance for quite some time.
I also suggest anyone considering it to read up on all the different kinds. Honestly for straight up weight loss, I think the 5:2 is hard to beat.0 -
IF is a great lifestyle. I love it. However, if I'm training I make sure I have BCAA's around 20mins before to prevent muscle breakdown (which can often happen training fasted). I have to admit I sometimes have a protein shake before training (which technically breaks the fast), but I've recently did some research and reading and concluded that it's really important to have at least 30g of protein and carbs around 20-30mins before training and within 20-30mins after training. I just love my chocolate protein shake. If I'm not training I'll just fast until 2pm, no shake, or BCAA's.0
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For IF yo work for losing weight you still need a calorie deficit...whether your eating window is 8 hours or 2 hours you need to eat all your cals to be healthy...my cals to lose weight is 1740 so i need to eat that much every day to lose weight...IF is just tool to help you feel full..plus it has some great health benefits0
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