Starvation Mode (based on truth, but stretched too far)

JulieF11
JulieF11 Posts: 387 Member
edited September 28 in Health and Weight Loss
I've read this on MFP over and over again, "starvation mode". I've eaten peanuts, almonds, walnuts, avocados, etc... just to prevent it from happening to me. However, I noticed on the weight loss reality shows, these folks are not eating all their calories they would need to prevent starvation mode. So I did a little research. I suggest you Google it yourself: "Starvation Mode, Myth or Fact" and read all the articles you can about it. The one that sticks most in my mind is a simple statement from the National Health Association (as follows):

"In regard to metabolism, if you are overweight/overfat, you can not cause your metabolism to decrease below a level needed to lose weight while you have extra weight/fat on you, and you can not "lose more weight by eating more calories/food." This is a misunderstanding of the principles of metabolism that does not apply to overweight people trying to lose weight."

Please note: Starvation Mode does exist... It was proven by a group of men in an experiment in MN in the 1940's. But the men were subjected to half the calories they burn at a resting rate, and it didn't happen until they had lost a substantial amount of weight, months into the program. In other words, they really were starving... showing all the bones in their chest, etc... when their metabolism took a nose dive, to help their bodies survive.

I am not saying we should eat less than our 1200 cals a day.... You need a min of around that (not really a magic number, but an average) to get the nutritional vitamins and minerals you need. But don't think you are doing your body a favor by eating a brownie at night, to keep from going into starvation mode.

Please research the information you get so you know why you may be struggling with breaking a plateau, or no longer losing at the rate you had banked on, etc. Oh yes, and if you are struggling to lose weight and yet you are already in the "healthy" BMI zone... It's very important that you get the nutrition you need... not from vitamins, but from food. Your body absorbs the vitamins and minerals from whole foods in a much higher percentage than the supplements which are often just passed through your body. So if you are taking supplements thinking you are getting all you need... think again. Most of what you think you consumed, may have gone right through you.
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  • skfj5
    skfj5 Posts: 70
    Very very interesting!!
  • FaugHorn
    FaugHorn Posts: 1,060 Member
    Hoorah!

    I'm on a purposeful calorie restricted diet and have received comments about friends being worried about me going into "starvation mode". There are studies showing links between reduced caloric intake and longevity, i.e. mice that eat fewer calories live longer.

    I had done a lot of research before changing my habits and I'm glad others have too!
  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member
    Good post. I would like to point out that to anyone on a 1200 calorie diet, that there is no room for junk food and such a low intake. If you eat junk, you will miss something else as at 1200 calories it is already difficult to get the required nutrition even eating clean. So for those on a 1200 cal diet, look in your diary, if there is anything unhealthy you are probably lacking adequate nutrition. If you up your calories to 1400 or so, you will have some room to fit in some unhealthy food, but at 1200 you need to make every calorie count.
  • daisymae9801
    daisymae9801 Posts: 208 Member
    I've read this on MFP over and over again, "starvation mode". I've eaten peanuts, almonds, walnuts, avocados, etc... just to prevent it from happening to me. However, I noticed on the weight loss reality shows, these folks are not eating all their calories they would need to prevent starvation mode. So I did a little research. I suggest you Google it yourself: "Starvation Mode, Myth or Fact" and read all the articles you can about it. The one that sticks most in my mind is a simple statement from the National Health Association (as follows):

    "In regard to metabolism, if you are overweight/overfat, you can not cause your metabolism to decrease below a level needed to lose weight while you have extra weight/fat on you, and you can not "lose more weight by eating more calories/food." This is a misunderstanding of the principles of metabolism that does not apply to overweight people trying to lose weight."

    Please note: Starvation Mode does exist... It was proven by a group of men in an experiment in MN in the 1940's. But the men were subjected to half the calories they burn at a resting rate, and it didn't happen until they had lost a substantial amount of weight, months into the program. In other words, they really were starving... showing all the bones in their chest, etc... when their metabolism took a nose dive, to help their bodies survive.

    I am not saying we should eat less than our 1200 cals a day.... You need a min of around that (not really a magic number, but an average) to get the nutritional vitamins and minerals you need. But don't think you are doing your body a favor by eating a brownie at night, to keep from going into starvation mode.

    Please research the information you get so you know why you may be struggling with breaking a plateau, or no longer losing at the rate you had banked on, etc. Oh yes, and if you are struggling to lose weight and yet you are already in the "healthy" BMI zone... It's very important that you get the nutrition you need... not from vitamins, but from food. Your body absorbs the vitamins and minerals from whole foods in a much higher percentage than the supplements which are often just passed through your body. So if you are taking supplements thinking you are getting all you need... think again. Most of what you think you consumed, may have gone right through you.

    Thank you so much for posting this. I am very tired of hearing EVERYONE talk about starvation mode.
  • Ritamas2
    Ritamas2 Posts: 319
    Thanks so much for taht post...veeeery interesting facts indeed!

    Great job on your weightloss by the way!!!:happy:
  • TateFTW
    TateFTW Posts: 658 Member
    That's why I HATE that freaking term.

    It's amazing what you find when you do your own research and stop following the fitness magazine reading, online forum following, useless crap-spewing masses.
  • Newkell
    Newkell Posts: 379 Member
    interesting
  • ilovecreg120809
    ilovecreg120809 Posts: 516 Member
    thank you for the information :)
  • _Khaleesi_
    _Khaleesi_ Posts: 877 Member
    Thank you for posting this. I too was shocked about the perseveration/ fixation on "starvation mode" on here.
  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member
    Hoorah!

    I'm on a purposeful calorie restricted diet and have received comments about friends being worried about me going into "starvation mode". There are studies showing links between reduced caloric intake and longevity, i.e. mice that eat fewer calories live longer.

    I had done a lot of research before changing my habits and I'm glad others have too!

    This may be so but with so few pounds left to lose you risk burning a large % of lean muscle instead of fat, unless you eat enough calories. Is your goal to lose weight, or lose fat? The answer to that should give you your goal intake, if your goal is to lose fat you should be set up to lose 0.5 lbs/week for the last 10-15 lbs.
  • vodkaswigger
    vodkaswigger Posts: 467
    Thanks so much for this post, i read a lot of scare mongering and worry sometimes as i dont eat all my cals sometimes, let alone exercise cals, thanks for this, very interesting xx
  • daisymae9801
    daisymae9801 Posts: 208 Member
    Hoorah!

    I'm on a purposeful calorie restricted diet and have received comments about friends being worried about me going into "starvation mode". There are studies showing links between reduced caloric intake and longevity, i.e. mice that eat fewer calories live longer.

    I had done a lot of research before changing my habits and I'm glad others have too!

    This may be so but with so few pounds left to lose you risk burning a large % of lean muscle instead of fat, unless you eat enough calories. Is your goal to lose weight, or lose fat? The answer to that should give you your goal intake, if your goal is to lose fat you should be set up to lose 0.5 lbs/week for the last 10-15 lbs.

    Yes, but I've read that strength training prevents that.
  • TateFTW
    TateFTW Posts: 658 Member
    Good post. I would like to point out that is anyone is on a 1200 calorie diet, there is no room for junk food and such a low intake. If you eat junk, you will miss something else as at 1200 calories it is already difficult to get the required nutrition even eating clean. So for those on a 1200 cal diet, look in your diary, if there is anything unhealthy you are probably lacking adequate nutrition. If you up your calories to 1400 or so, you will have some room to fit in some unhealthy food, but at 1200 you need to make every calorie count.

    But you CAN'T put numbers out there like they apply to everyone. My wife is 5' tall and 115 lbs. when she was trying to lose 1 lb. a week her daily goal was 1200 cals. If she went over, it was bad. If she was under, she got a WARNING saying she was going to go into starvation mode. So she's supposed to eat EXACTLY 1200 calories a day? Oh yeah, that's totally realistic.
  • Mindful_Trent
    Mindful_Trent Posts: 3,954 Member
    While "Starvation Mode" is thrown around too often and used incorrectly, it CAN happen. Here is a very good post explaining how it works and who should be concerned:

    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/230930-starvation-mode-how-it-works

    Other posts about it that people should read:
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/175241-a-personal-view-on-exercise-cals-and-underfeeding

    http://bankshealth.wordpress.com/2011/02/19/inaugural-blog-short-and-long-term-underfeeding/
    (This one is a blog written by a knowledgeable MFP user... the portion talking about "long term fasting/underfeeding" is relevant to the starvation mode topic.
  • fitaliciag
    fitaliciag Posts: 373
    THANK YOU! omg i am so tired of hearing about starvation mode!
  • SheilaSisco
    SheilaSisco Posts: 722 Member
    We are all unique individuals and some of us will stop losing or start gaining if we aren't eating enough calories. It had been proven on this site time and time and time again. Some bodies NEED a certain amount of fuel in order to lose the weight. Maybe it isn't 'starvation mode' per se, but it works out to about the same thing. I ate under 1200 for weeks with NO results. Talked to a few people, upped my calorie intake and *bam* started losing. The same has happened to many of my friends on this site and in real life. Besides, as you mentioned, you can't really get proper levels of nutrients eating so little, so people should still be consuming over 1200 net calories a day to go about this weight loss goal the healthiest way possible...
  • helenoftroy1
    helenoftroy1 Posts: 638 Member
    I concur!
  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member
    Hoorah!

    I'm on a purposeful calorie restricted diet and have received comments about friends being worried about me going into "starvation mode". There are studies showing links between reduced caloric intake and longevity, i.e. mice that eat fewer calories live longer.

    I had done a lot of research before changing my habits and I'm glad others have too!

    This may be so but with so few pounds left to lose you risk burning a large % of lean muscle instead of fat, unless you eat enough calories. Is your goal to lose weight, or lose fat? The answer to that should give you your goal intake, if your goal is to lose fat you should be set up to lose 0.5 lbs/week for the last 10-15 lbs.

    Yes, but I've read that strength training prevents that.

    Yes it does if you are losing slowly, but if you are losing fast and don't have large fat stores you will burn muscle if you don't fuel properly
  • TanajaP
    TanajaP Posts: 57 Member
    the next time i hear stuff about eating your exercise calories and starvation mode i'll be sure to link them to this post!

    thanks for the great information!
  • TateFTW
    TateFTW Posts: 658 Member
    Hoorah!

    I'm on a purposeful calorie restricted diet and have received comments about friends being worried about me going into "starvation mode". There are studies showing links between reduced caloric intake and longevity, i.e. mice that eat fewer calories live longer.

    I had done a lot of research before changing my habits and I'm glad others have too!

    This may be so but with so few pounds left to lose you risk burning a large % of lean muscle instead of fat, unless you eat enough calories. Is your goal to lose weight, or lose fat? The answer to that should give you your goal intake, if your goal is to lose fat you should be set up to lose 0.5 lbs/week for the last 10-15 lbs.

    This is completely true and correct. Working out when you have very little fat and you aren't getting adequate nutrition will burn mostly muscle. It becomes very important to run a very small deficit and focus on things like macro ratios in this situation. These things are not nearly as important when someone has plenty of fat to lose.
  • Okay very interesting. I am hypoglycemic and I wasn't having problems for the first month but now I am starting to crash during my exercise routine after work. I do Cardio/Fat Burn on the Elliptical. I have tried to eat something that will stay with me (not cause my blood sugar to drop) about an hour before I go and work out. do you have any suggestions???
  • erickirb
    erickirb Posts: 12,294 Member
    Good post. I would like to point out that is anyone is on a 1200 calorie diet, there is no room for junk food and such a low intake. If you eat junk, you will miss something else as at 1200 calories it is already difficult to get the required nutrition even eating clean. So for those on a 1200 cal diet, look in your diary, if there is anything unhealthy you are probably lacking adequate nutrition. If you up your calories to 1400 or so, you will have some room to fit in some unhealthy food, but at 1200 you need to make every calorie count.

    But you CAN'T put numbers out there like they apply to everyone. My wife is 5' tall and 115 lbs. when she was trying to lose 1 lb. a week her daily goal was 1200 cals. If she went over, it was bad. If she was under, she got a WARNING saying she was going to go into starvation mode. So she's supposed to eat EXACTLY 1200 calories a day? Oh yeah, that's totally realistic.

    Maybe not 1200 for everyone, could be 1000 for someone or 1400 for another, but it is important while in a large caloric deficit to make every calorie count. So instead of a caloric intake per say, if you have a large deficit each calorie matters more.
  • Timmys_Girl
    Timmys_Girl Posts: 6 Member
    Contests on your weight loss...such a motivator for me!!
  • MissMaggie3
    MissMaggie3 Posts: 2,464 Member
    Oh no! Does that mean I can't exercise like crazy then stuff my face?! :laugh:
  • girliegirl1822
    girliegirl1822 Posts: 164 Member
    thanks for the info I get worried when im a little below 1200 cals.
  • Larius
    Larius Posts: 507 Member
    There is a reason that vitamins, essential fatty acids, and essential amino acids are called essential. It is because they are essential and therefore must be provided to the body from the outside. Unless you are an expert who can guarantee that you are providing these things in the correct amounts, eat your calories or you are damaging your body.
  • MrBrown72
    MrBrown72 Posts: 407 Member
    Dear god, community justified anorexia here we come.

    I can understand your issues with how often people use that term, and how it is blown out of proportion. However in order to be healthy, one must eat a reasonable amount of food. When exercising the necessary amount goes up. A person with an empty stomach will store more fat than a person who routinely eats proper amounts. Further a person with no outside calories remaining in their system still has to function, the body turns on itself for fuel and while it will burn some fat it also burns muscle and bone for this fuel.

    So regardless of your views on this subject one MUST eat properly or you will cause more damage than good. Do I believe you have to eat back every calorie you burn? well I seldom do. However choosing to not eat and think it's okay. Will cause damage.
  • SheilaSisco
    SheilaSisco Posts: 722 Member
    I would also like to point out that while the people on those weight loss reality shows are NOT eating the min required amounts of calories, they are also CLOSELY monitored by MEDICAL PROFESSIONALS. If anyone out there is eating less than the min while being monitored by a doctor, that's different than someone who consistently nets 900 or less just because they think eating less will make them weigh less.

    In addition, the men who did the research in the 40's may not have hit actual starvation mode until MUCH weight loss had occurred months into the experiment.... but I'm sure if you dug deeper you would find that MONTHS into that research most of the weight they lost was in muscle, not in fat. I don't know about anyone else, but it's the FAT I'm trying to lose, and the MUSCLE I'm trying to maintain.... something to think about.
  • kailyamie
    kailyamie Posts: 130
    Dear god, community justified anorexia here we come.

    I can understand your issues with how often people use that term, and how it is blown out of proportion. However in order to be healthy, one must eat a reasonable amount of food. When exercising the necessary amount goes up. A person with an empty stomach will store more fat than a person who routinely eats proper amounts. Further a person with no outside calories remaining in their system still has to function, the body turns on itself for fuel and while it will burn some fat it also burns muscle and bone for this fuel.

    So regardless of your views on this subject one MUST eat properly or you will cause more damage than good. Do I believe you have to eat back every calorie you burn? well I seldom do. However choosing to not eat and think it's okay. Will cause damage.

    AMEN Mr Brown... while reading this post all I could think was that people were justifying and ok'ing other people's lack of caloric intake. The problem is that we are taking this entire thing entirely too literally. OBVIOUSLY none of us are STARVING. That's absurd. Especially those of us in The US- ha! The intended use of "starvation mode" is simply the idea that your body requires X amount of calories to function based upon your lifestyle, activities, exercise etc. and feeding your body less than required can lead to retention. I believe this is part of the basis for "zig-zagging" technique that some use to break a plateau - a method that to my understanding is quite helpful to many people. However, justifying eating under 1200 calories, or saying "I was under 100 calories today, but it's okay I was really full" is a joke. There is no way that you are "full" on under 1000 calories per day and as a community it would be a great injustice if we all accepted that this was acceptable because "starvation mode is a myth." This is borderline eating disorder behavior and I for one don't slap high-fives to people who are consistently under their calorie goal. We seem to lack the concept of moderation. Weight loss is not just about transforming our bodies, but it is also about transforming our thoughts. It is just as unhealthy to underindulge as it is to overindulge. Moderation should be practiced and learned through modification in behaviors. There IS room in our diets for "junk" foods at times, not every day, and not in huge portions - learning the balance is part of the journey. Practicing unhealthy thinking habits will do you a great disservice - even if your body looks fabulous. Finding your center of peace and balance requires both the mind and body to be harmonious and that takes more than the willpower to keep your calories under 1200 every day. Let's not be absurd and justify each other's unhealthy THINKING - just as much as we encourage each other to break unhealthy physical habits, we should encourage each other to break unhealthy thinking habits as well. :-) PEACE!
  • kailyamie
    kailyamie Posts: 130
    Dear god, community justified anorexia here we come.

    I can understand your issues with how often people use that term, and how it is blown out of proportion. However in order to be healthy, one must eat a reasonable amount of food. When exercising the necessary amount goes up. A person with an empty stomach will store more fat than a person who routinely eats proper amounts. Further a person with no outside calories remaining in their system still has to function, the body turns on itself for fuel and while it will burn some fat it also burns muscle and bone for this fuel.

    So regardless of your views on this subject one MUST eat properly or you will cause more damage than good. Do I believe you have to eat back every calorie you burn? well I seldom do. However choosing to not eat and think it's okay. Will cause damage.

    AMEN Mr Brown... while reading this post all I could think was that people were justifying and ok'ing other people's lack of caloric intake. The problem is that we are taking this entire thing entirely too literally. OBVIOUSLY none of us are STARVING. That's absurd. Especially those of us in The US- ha! The intended use of "starvation mode" is simply the idea that your body requires X amount of calories to function based upon your lifestyle, activities, exercise etc. and feeding your body less than required can lead to retention. I believe this is part of the basis for "zig-zagging" technique that some use to break a plateau - a method that to my understanding is quite helpful to many people. However, justifying eating under 1200 calories, or saying "I was under 100 calories today, but it's okay I was really full" is a joke. There is no way that you are "full" on under 1000 calories per day and as a community it would be a great injustice if we all accepted that this was acceptable because "starvation mode is a myth." This is borderline eating disorder behavior and I for one don't slap high-fives to people who are consistently under their calorie goal. We seem to lack the concept of moderation. Weight loss is not just about transforming our bodies, but it is also about transforming our thoughts. It is just as unhealthy to underindulge as it is to overindulge. Moderation should be practiced and learned through modification in behaviors. There IS room in our diets for "junk" foods at times, not every day, and not in huge portions - learning the balance is part of the journey. Practicing unhealthy thinking habits will do you a great disservice - even if your body looks fabulous. Finding your center of peace and balance requires both the mind and body to be harmonious and that takes more than the willpower to keep your calories under 1200 every day. Let's not be absurd and justify each other's unhealthy THINKING - just as much as we encourage each other to break unhealthy physical habits, we should encourage each other to break unhealthy thinking habits as well. :-) PEACE!
    And I meant under 1000 calories, not 100. Obviously. Because that would be even more absurd.
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