Have I ruined my metabolism?
mrsblakedavis
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Bear with me - please help.
I am 5'10 female in my 30's. Fat my whole life. Down from 280lbs to 220 from a variety of fads. Lowest weight was 206, after a week of doing keto. I am not sure if it worked bc it was a sudden diet change or bc keto actually works. I stopped because I kept seeing a steady pattern of balanced protein/carb/fat meals on Instagram from a lot of successful fitness people that I follow that eat clean and exercise. Nearly all of them eat this way. I am dying to get to 199, my first goal. My weight keeps hovering around 217, no matter what I try.
Two months ago I decided to switch it up - in addition to cardio have been lifting dumbbell weights 1-2x per week. I am eating between 1200-1600 cals per day, averaging around 1300 and really trying to limit treats and white foods. I am seeing 0 results. No change in measurements!! Not only no change in weight - I'm gaining! Could the "instagram diet" of wheat bread/sweet potatoes/brown rice, veggies and tons of chicken be bad for me?
I understand that muscle is more dense than fat and that in theory I could be losing inches and weigh more, but I am not smaller in measurement or in weight! I feel like I am killing myself trying to be healthy. Measuring everything, counting everything. I am exhausted with managing my weight. Myfitnesspal tells me "if every day were like today, you'd weigh [188] in 5 weeks" Yet no change. At SOME point my weight has to go down, right?? I am nowhere near 155-165lb goal.
I've tried it all - atkins, south beach (low carb) -- keto, weight watchers, shakes only, healthy carb/fat/protein ratio. The weight and inches just won't budge anymore.
I recently got a physical to rule out thyroid - 100% perfect - no issues.
Do I need to go see a nutritionist? Have I completely ruined my metabolism? or am I just the world's most impatient person?
I am 5'10 female in my 30's. Fat my whole life. Down from 280lbs to 220 from a variety of fads. Lowest weight was 206, after a week of doing keto. I am not sure if it worked bc it was a sudden diet change or bc keto actually works. I stopped because I kept seeing a steady pattern of balanced protein/carb/fat meals on Instagram from a lot of successful fitness people that I follow that eat clean and exercise. Nearly all of them eat this way. I am dying to get to 199, my first goal. My weight keeps hovering around 217, no matter what I try.
Two months ago I decided to switch it up - in addition to cardio have been lifting dumbbell weights 1-2x per week. I am eating between 1200-1600 cals per day, averaging around 1300 and really trying to limit treats and white foods. I am seeing 0 results. No change in measurements!! Not only no change in weight - I'm gaining! Could the "instagram diet" of wheat bread/sweet potatoes/brown rice, veggies and tons of chicken be bad for me?
I understand that muscle is more dense than fat and that in theory I could be losing inches and weigh more, but I am not smaller in measurement or in weight! I feel like I am killing myself trying to be healthy. Measuring everything, counting everything. I am exhausted with managing my weight. Myfitnesspal tells me "if every day were like today, you'd weigh [188] in 5 weeks" Yet no change. At SOME point my weight has to go down, right?? I am nowhere near 155-165lb goal.
I've tried it all - atkins, south beach (low carb) -- keto, weight watchers, shakes only, healthy carb/fat/protein ratio. The weight and inches just won't budge anymore.
I recently got a physical to rule out thyroid - 100% perfect - no issues.
Do I need to go see a nutritionist? Have I completely ruined my metabolism? or am I just the world's most impatient person?
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When you say you're measuring your food does that mean weighing it?0
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No to almost everything in your post.
I see you list a lot of fads but done see you state you have tried counting calories accurately (with a food scale). Start there. Weight EVERYThING you eat. No reason to follow any fads.2 -
South beach isn't low carb. What is it, exactly, you're doing now, and for how long?0
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to address some of the below -
- yes, weighing and measuring ALL of my food, even condiments.
- i am following a ratio of 30% carbs, 35% fat, and 35% protein after researching macros. Been doing this for about 2-3 months.
I researched 21 day fix today, and it says (if I follow that plan, which I am not) I should be eating 1800-2200 calories a day based on my weight! I am a woman - I have NEVER been afforded that many calories!
...Which brings me to my next point. I had a brief thought of - wow, what if I am not eating enough calories? The thought of nearly increasing my intake of calories and even more weight gain had me squirming.
The truth is - everyone says just try different things until it works but (IMO) my weight really should be coming off for the amount of effort I am putting in. I really have no clue what I am doing - I just try to eat very simply, very healthfully with no additives and avoid processed food. How can that not be enough?
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Do you weigh your nut butter and avocado? I almost cried when I realized how small a 'serving' of peanut butter actually was. Apparently just because I could cram 2 servings in to one spoon didn't make it one serving!1
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yep - weight it all0
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and yes - peanut butter rules are a life travesty8
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Are you eating back all of your exercise calories? Sometimes burns can be inaccurate. If you're eating them back then consider trying without eating them back or only eating 50% back.1
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You could be over estimating your BMR, perhaps you need 1200 each day (no 1600 days) and make sure you burn some extra calories. Perhaps try something new, try a different style of cardio for a while. Make these changes for 2 weeks and be totally accurate and see what happens. I am guessing you are perhaps sedentary during the day, and maybe your exercise calories are being over estimated. I trust people when they say that they weigh their food and use accurate database entries so the problem could be in the burns department. Maybe your TDEE isn't as high as you may have been assuming when eating more than 1200.
I hope you figure it out soon! Just remember trying something for a week isn't enough time. Maybe even 2 isn't enough, I'm not sure on that.0 -
I took a quick look at your diary and saw quite a few things that weren't weighed. So many spears of asparagus isn't weighed. Half an avocado, not weighed. I learnt early to weigh everything. Portion sizes are not necessarily accurate for calories. Good example, I buy bananas and apples a lot. None of them weigh the same and the entries for a medium apple, it's half the weight of the smallish ones I buy. Same with bananas. Even prepackaged foods can vary in weight by a good deal.4
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mrsblakedavis wrote: »to address some of the below -
- yes, weighing and measuring ALL of my food, even condiments.
- i am following a ratio of 30% carbs, 35% fat, and 35% protein after researching macros. Been doing this for about 2-3 months.
I researched 21 day fix today, and it says (if I follow that plan, which I am not) I should be eating 1800-2200 calories a day based on my weight! I am a woman - I have NEVER been afforded that many calories!
...Which brings me to my next point. I had a brief thought of - wow, what if I am not eating enough calories? The thought of nearly increasing my intake of calories and even more weight gain had me squirming.
The truth is - everyone says just try different things until it works but (IMO) my weight really should be coming off for the amount of effort I am putting in. I really have no clue what I am doing - I just try to eat very simply, very healthfully with no additives and avoid processed food. How can that not be enough?
I'm 5'6" 175 lbs with an active lifestyle and I eat around 1700-1800 calories a day, so it doesn't seem too far fetched that it gives you that kind of a range. Of course, it's also going to depend on your activity level. For a while I was eating around 1300-1400 calories thinking I had to eat that low to lose weight, but I upped my calories and moved more. I'm still able to lose weight. Use an online calculator to figure out what your TDEE is based on your activity level. I don't know your stats but I put in generic stats other than your weight and height in a TDEE calculator based on a sedentary lifestyle and it said about 2,100 calories for TDEE. 2400 calories if you're lightly active. Again, those are rough estimates since I don't know your age or activity level.0 -
good idea on the portions and the TDEE - I will try that. I come from a background of fast food, horrible processed food, sodas around the clock, terrible snacks and whole pizzas. It's so hard to think that eating eggs, salads, fish, nuts, avocados, protein shakes, and fruit would make it so difficult to get your weight to budge lol0
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Portion sizes really do matter - even with "healthy" food.
Avocado, nuts etc are great foods and full of nutrients but they are fairly calorie dense, so paying close attention to amounts matters much more for these foods than for celery or baby spinach.
I know it seems counterintuitive that foods like this could make you put on weight, but calories ARE calories (ie. a measurement of energy). It's great that you've made these changes to be eating foods that are full of nutrition though. I'm definitely not saying eat all pizza, but variety is important and I do think there's room for pizza now and again (eg. tonight, it's already logged in my diary!).
I also think the most important thing is consistency. Finding a way to eat that makes you feel good, don't eat too much (ie watch portions) and then just keep on going.4 -
So TDEE total is 2221 - and it told me to take 20% of that figure for weight loss. So my total cals based on that should be 1776. Would that be right? 500 cals more than what I eat now?0
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I know when my calories are too low I plateau. Im 5'7" and eat at least 1600 calories a day. I have a range if 1600-1900 depending on my activity that day. In just under 60 days Ive lost 5lb and gained muscle mass because I have the fuel to work out. I think it's about balance and healthy ranges that are sustainable. This is my experience.
I lost 80lbs with this formula a few years ago. When I first started gaining back I cut my calories too much and was tired and discouraged. Several months later here I am going back to the slow and steady pace that works.0 -
Yes, go see a nutritionist. You're going to get all kinds of advice in a community forum -- some of it good, some of it much less so. Find an expert and work with that person to accomplish your goals without the shotgun approach. You should be losing on whole grains and chicken. If you're not, something else is wrong. A nutritionist along with fitness coach can help you figure out what that may be.1
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PiperGirl08 wrote: »Yes, go see a nutritionist. You're going to get all kinds of advice in a community forum -- some of it good, some of it much less so. Find an expert and work with that person to accomplish your goals without the shotgun approach. You should be losing on whole grains and chicken. If you're not, something else is wrong. A nutritionist along with fitness coach can help you figure out what that may be.
No. If you are going to see anyone, see a registered dietitian. Anyone can call themselves a nutritionist.
But honestly, why spend money to see a specialist when the simplest things (weighing portions) haven't been tried first?I know when my calories are too low I plateau. Im 5'7" and eat at least 1600 calories a day. I have a range if 1600-1900 depending on my activity that day. In just under 60 days Ive lost 5lb and gained muscle mass because I have the fuel to work out. I think it's about balance and healthy ranges that are sustainable. This is my experience.
I lost 80lbs with this formula a few years ago. When I first started gaining back I cut my calories too much and was tired and discouraged. Several months later here I am going back to the slow and steady pace that works.
nope, science doesn't work like that. If you are in a deficit, you will lose.4 -
mrsblakedavis wrote: »......So my total cals based on that should be 1776. Would that be right? 500 cals more than what I eat now?
If you aren't losing weight then what you think you are eating now is not correct. You need to change this mindset. Dont start eating 1776 calories now unless you Weigh EVERYTHING and see how many calories you are truly eating. Don't cheat yourself by logging entries that are not by weight. make sure you are counting all of your dressings and all of the oils you use. even if its a teaspoon of olive oil, record it by weight. Same for your eggs. The size of eggs can vary massively.
Having said all of this don't be disheartened. Once you learn to log accurately its easy.2 -
The first week on your low carb diet you was "inducing a state of Ketosis" the weight you lost was all retained water. Ketosis always works regardless of the person and weight. Your body is more than efficient enough to switch to burning sugar for fuel to tapping into your fat storage. It usually takes anywhere to 2-12 weeks for your body to transition into becomming adapted" into "fat burning mode" your body Hasto go through alot of changes in this period. 1 week is not enough to get your body to switch to burning fat instead of sugar. You havto give it time for the full benefits of it. Understand even though a ketogenic way of eating is nessecerey for people with certain medical conditions I wouldent reccomend it for a sustained period of time. Use it as a tool. stay in a caloric deficit & implement interval cardio traning & HIT weight training. Don't cut calories too much either stay in a optimal deficit don't go extreme. & rest more. There's nothing more to it.0
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The first week on your low carb diet you was "inducing a state of Ketosis" the weight you lost was all retained water. Ketosis always works regardless of the person and weight. Your body is more than efficient enough to switch to burning sugar for fuel to tapping into your fat storage. It usually takes anywhere to 2-12 weeks for your body to transition into becomming adapted" into "fat burning mode" your body Hasto go through alot of changes in this period. 1 week is not enough to get your body to switch to burning fat instead of sugar. You havto give it time. Understand even though a ketogenic way of eating is nessecerey for people with certain medical conditions I wouldent reccomend it for a sustained period of time. Use it as a tool. stay in a caloric deficit & implement interval cardio traning & HIT weight training & rest more. There's nothing more to it.
A keto diet will not work if she is not in a calorie deficit.2 -
The first week on your low carb diet you was "inducing a state of Ketosis" the weight you lost was all retained water. Ketosis always works regardless of the person and weight. Your body is more than efficient enough to switch to burning sugar for fuel to tapping into your fat storage. It usually takes anywhere to 2-12 weeks for your body to transition into becomming adapted" into "fat burning mode" your body Hasto go through alot of changes in this period. 1 week is not enough to get your body to switch to burning fat instead of sugar. You havto give it time. Understand even though a ketogenic way of eating is nessecerey for people with certain medical conditions I wouldent reccomend it for a sustained period of time. Use it as a tool. stay in a caloric deficit & implement interval cardio traning & HIT weight training & rest more. There's nothing more to it.
A keto diet will not work if she is not in a calorie deficit.
Nothing works if your not in a caloric deficit. That's why I mentioned to "to stay in a caloric deficit"2 -
First off, congrats on your progress so far. Diet composition is not that important for weight loss, unless your dietary fat or protein is too low, or you are already lean and trying to get down to very lean levels. Looks like you could raise your protein a little, but it will not make a huge difference.
It does look like you can tighten up your logging and verify that each entry is accurate. That may give you a different perspective on your calories in. However, unless your estimation skills are terrible, 1300 is way too low for someone 5'10" in my opinion. What is your estimate of your current body fat %, or your estimate of lean body mass? How much cardio are you doing, and how accurate do you think those burns are? It looks like you are logging some huge burns on some days and not even eating anything back.
Most people that see long plateaus here are just eating too much. You may be one of the exceptions that is eating too little. How long have you been losing weight? Have you been taking any diet breaks? Do you feel crushing fatigue often, strong desire to avoid movement and exercise, and have unusual mood swings? If someone is in large deficit with a high activity level for a long time, it can have a significant effect on your calories out by adaptive thermogenesis, reduction in NEAT, and elevated cortisol levels. You can have your cortisol level and metabolic rate tested, which will give you further insight.
http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/why-big-caloric-deficits-and-lots-of-activity-can-hurt-fat-loss.html
You can power through the plateau by eating less and moving more, but if you are truly eating only 1300 a day and doing a lot of cardio without eating any calories back, then I would not recommend it. If you are confident your logging is correct, then I would recommend experimenting with reverse dieting by progressively adding 500-700 calories each week to see what happens.1 -
Jump rope and go hardcore swimming.0
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PiperGirl08 wrote: »Yes, go see a nutritionist. You're going to get all kinds of advice in a community forum -- some of it good, some of it much less so. Find an expert and work with that person to accomplish your goals without the shotgun approach. You should be losing on whole grains and chicken. If you're not, something else is wrong. A nutritionist along with fitness coach can help you figure out what that may be.
No. If you are going to see anyone, see a registered dietitian. Anyone can call themselves a nutritionist.
But honestly, why spend money to see a specialist when the simplest things (weighing portions) haven't been tried first?I know when my calories are too low I plateau. Im 5'7" and eat at least 1600 calories a day. I have a range if 1600-1900 depending on my activity that day. In just under 60 days Ive lost 5lb and gained muscle mass because I have the fuel to work out. I think it's about balance and healthy ranges that are sustainable. This is my experience.
I lost 80lbs with this formula a few years ago. When I first started gaining back I cut my calories too much and was tired and discouraged. Several months later here I am going back to the slow and steady pace that works.
nope, science doesn't work like that. If you are in a deficit, you will lose.
Anyone can call him- or her- self an expert on a message board. To the OP: go see a professional from whom you can expect some level of accountability. If this truly matters to you, take it seriously and act accordingly.
On why spend the money: in life, more often than not, you get what you pay for. How much is your well-being worth to you?0 -
So you say you're weighing everything, but I see a lot of volume and "serving" type entries. Like did your banana on weds actually weigh 126g or are you just counting one banana? Also your proteins like chicken are using Kroger entries, is that raw or cooked? How was it cooked? Try using the USDA entries instead, they're usually worded just like the source.. Other stuff like yesterday you logged two eggs, how did you cook them? Did you fry them in oil/butter? You could be underestimating your intake.
Also, how much water are you drinking in a day?1 -
I took a quick look at your diary and saw quite a few things that weren't weighed. So many spears of asparagus isn't weighed. Half an avocado, not weighed. I learnt early to weigh everything. Portion sizes are not necessarily accurate for calories. Good example, I buy bananas and apples a lot. None of them weigh the same and the entries for a medium apple, it's half the weight of the smallish ones I buy. Same with bananas. Even prepackaged foods can vary in weight by a good deal.
Quoting this because it appears OP skipped right over this.0 -
I know there's been a lot of people giving advice here, but here's my two cents regarding the weight loss (and calculations).
It has to be said that I am not a health care professional of any kind. I give advice based on stupid amounts of reading and personal experience.
The internet is never the place to get advice on medical issues so if you have or think you have any of those, go see a real doctor.
Weight loss math:
You're a 31 year old female, 5'10" and 217lbs. This gives you a BMR of 1780. There is only a 2.25 calorie difference between the two of the most popular equations for calculating this (Mifflin-St. Jeor and Harris–Benedict for reference).
If you're sedentary, we multiply your BMR with 1.2, coming up with your TDEE of 2136.
I suggest you try for a 500 calorie deficit to start off, which would put your daily intake at 1636. This is your TDEE minus 23%, so quite in line with most recommendations and will equate to about 1lbs per week.
What to eat?
There's a reason people advice a lifestyle change over a diet. Eat what you'll keep eating for the next 5, 10 or even 50 years. Allow yourself to have chocolate and pizza and whatever you want, but try to keep your calorie goal. Even if you don't, count the calories and learn from it.
Of course your body is gonna prefer a healthy balanced meal over crazy blood sugar spikes, but don't beat yourself up for wanting or eating "bad" things. Your body isn't the only factor. Keep your mind happy too.
Don't get to crazy about macros. Find what works for you and keeps you feeling satisfied.
It's important to measure food and drinks properly. I suggest using a food scale and measuring solids and some liquids like oil in grams (very accurate). All the ingredients of anything made from scratch like dressings, soups, etc. and not just generic entries.
Keep in mind that weight loss is not linear. It's up and down and all around. It might be beneficial to keep a daily record of your weight to see trends. There are several sites or apps for this that give you some sort of average weight.
Weigh yourself in the same condition every time you step on the scale. For most people this is in the morning, before consuming food or liquid, after using the toilet and with minimal clothing.
Best of luck to you!5 -
I recommend talking with a professional as well. I recently started a health coaching program through work with a dietician - if I complete it, the company pays me $100! After I gave her some background, she told me that 1200 cal/day is not enough (for me), and that my body has most likely adjusted and my metabolism has slowed. I have a call with her again on Monday to discuss calorie allowance, goals, etc. and I'm really looking forward to it. As a point of reference, I was losing on Weight Watchers and only just figured out that was equivalent to 1500 cal/day. When I dropped to 1200, my loss slowed down considerably.
I would have never figured this out on my own, so someone who can offer professional advice is likely worth talking to!1 -
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I took a quick look at your diary and saw quite a few things that weren't weighed. So many spears of asparagus isn't weighed. Half an avocado, not weighed. I learnt early to weigh everything. Portion sizes are not necessarily accurate for calories. Good example, I buy bananas and apples a lot. None of them weigh the same and the entries for a medium apple, it's half the weight of the smallish ones I buy. Same with bananas. Even prepackaged foods can vary in weight by a good deal.
Quoting this because it appears OP skipped right over this.
To add, OP eats a lot of take out food which can make estimating calorie intake more difficult as well.0
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