Healthy Eating Plate from Harvard
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No mention of forbidden rice at all? #blackcarbsmatter
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To me, it feels like the government would rather classify nuts as a source of protein than a source of fat because of the fear mongering fat gets.
I'd feel a little better about labeling nuts as protein if the healthy oils portion of the chart could be changed to healthy fats.0 -
I think they mention nuts as a source of protein because it's more likely to be used as such in a low meat or vegetarian diet and the Harvard site is pretty friendly to vegetarianism (which isn't a surprise if one has read Willett, who is one of the experts that site relies on).
I think it's a good basic summary, although I'm a lot more flexible and don't do everything it suggests (I also see no meaningful reason to prefer one vs. the other between rice and brown rice from a nutrition perspective, but the overall tendency of that site is to prefer options with more fiber rather than those with fiber largely removed).1 -
CooCooPuff wrote: »
To me, it feels like the government would rather classify nuts as a source of protein than a source of fat because of the fear mongering fat gets.
I'd feel a little better about labeling nuts as protein if the healthy oils portion of the chart could be changed to healthy fats.
If you look at the sections of that site that discuss fat specifically, it's not anti fat (and also the site is not from the gov't and that plate is supposed to be different from the MyPlate from the gov't -- the gov't has actually moved closer to the Harvard advice in recent years). It does distinguish between different types of fat.0 -
Dang, that's what I get for just looking at the picture posted.lemurcat12 wrote: »CooCooPuff wrote: »
To me, it feels like the government would rather classify nuts as a source of protein than a source of fat because of the fear mongering fat gets.
I'd feel a little better about labeling nuts as protein if the healthy oils portion of the chart could be changed to healthy fats.
If you look at the sections of that site that discuss fat specifically, it's not anti fat (and also the site is not from the gov't and that plate is supposed to be different from the MyPlate from the gov't -- the gov't has actually moved closer to the Harvard advice in recent years). It does distinguish between different types of fat.
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queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »
uh no... brown rice is healthier ... it is a matter of opinion which tastes better
Why do you think brown rice is healthier than white?
Eta: clarifying my question
Because whole grains are healthier than refined grains. I'm not a huge brown rice supporter. I hardly eat it and a lot of people have trouble digesting it. But from a nutritional stand point brown rice has more nutrition because it hasn't been stripped away during the refining process. I didn't mean to start a big debate.0 -
Those geniuses said potatoes don't count as a vegetable! Since when? Potatoes are a perfectly healthy and nutritious veg. Idiots!0
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Real Fact: White rice and brown rice are about the same nutritionally.4
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She didn't say protein isn't in nuts, she questions why they're considered a strong source of protein. Calorically comparing to other protein sources, they aren't. 163 cals of almonds only has 6 gram protein while 163 cals of chicken has 34 grams protein. In many diets nuts are not a good source of protein (but are in others). I consider them a source of fat personally.
Again, depends on the personal diet whether white or brown rice is better.
It's those nut grower lobbie$ and their deep pocket$. THE U$DA only cares about ca$h! Bought and sold!
WAKE UP SHEEPLE!
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queenliz99 wrote: »
uh no... brown rice is healthier ... it is a matter of opinion which tastes better
http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/brown-rice-vs-white-rice/
To sum up - it really doesn't make any difference if you're eating brown or white rice.
It's a great opinion article. Good to know micronutrients don't matter... guess we can all stop caring about our vitamins!0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »
uh no... brown rice is healthier ... it is a matter of opinion which tastes better
http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/brown-rice-vs-white-rice/
To sum up - it really doesn't make any difference if you're eating brown or white rice.
It's a great opinion article. Good to know micronutrients don't matter... guess we can all stop caring about our vitamins!
That's addressed in the piece. The extra micronutrients in brown rice aren't that bioavailable.
Also, I think relying on rice for micronutrients probably is not the best idea.
(I like both equally, and rarely eat rice anyway, other than the not-really-rice wild rice, so this is not a pro white rice from any biased POV.)1 -
queenliz99 wrote: »Why do you think brown rice is healthier than white?
Science is why I believe brown rice trumps white rice: Journal of American Medical Associates - Brown Rice reduces risk of type 2 diabetes.
http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/brown-rice-vs-white-rice/
To sum up - it really doesn't make any difference if you're eating brown or white rice.
While that was a well thought out article I question the source material. I've read the studies cited and they never mention long term benefits of brown rice vs white rice.
Personally, I like the taste of brown rice especially with vegetable bullion. Moreover, I prefer my carbs to give me steady energy without too much of a blood sugar spike.
Just my .02
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queenliz99 wrote: »Why do you think brown rice is healthier than white?
Science is why I believe brown rice trumps white rice: Journal of American Medical Associates - Brown Rice reduces risk of type 2 diabetes.
http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/brown-rice-vs-white-rice/
To sum up - it really doesn't make any difference if you're eating brown or white rice.
While that was a well thought out article I question the source material. I've read the studies cited and they never mention long term benefits of brown rice vs white rice.
Personally, I like the taste of brown rice especially with vegetable bullion. Moreover, I prefer my carbs to give me steady energy without too much of a blood sugar spike.
Just my .02
You may want to reread that first study. Pay attention to the numbers.2 -
queenliz99 wrote: »Why do you think brown rice is healthier than white?
Science is why I believe brown rice trumps white rice: Journal of American Medical Associates - Brown Rice reduces risk of type 2 diabetes.
http://www.aworkoutroutine.com/brown-rice-vs-white-rice/
To sum up - it really doesn't make any difference if you're eating brown or white rice.
While that was a well thought out article I question the source material. I've read the studies cited and they never mention long term benefits of brown rice vs white rice.
Unlikely there are any. Your cite is to the Nurses Study, which is about correlations.
So what can we say? People who eat lots of white rice (more than 5 servings per week) are more likely to get T2D than people who eat a smaller amount of brown rice (more than 2 servings per week -- I assume this distinction is because brown rice eating is relatively rare in the relevant populations) and low amounts of white rice.
Does this mean that brown rice CAUSES this difference or that white rice does? Maybe, but it seems unlikely to me. Does it suggest instead that there are some differences between the population that eats rice white (a common food that is frequently part of the SAD?) and those who eat brown rice (a food that tends to be mainly consumed by health conscious folks)? Yes, and I suspect that this is our explanation. There certainly aren't any meaningful differences between the foods if consumed along with other foods that are otherwise equal to explain it.
Of course, they probably aren't, again -- I suspect that a much higher percentage of white rice is consumed with sweet and sour beef or General Tso's chicken than, say, brown rice, and that the average serving of brown rice is served with a lot more vegetables and is more likely to be homemade.
But sure, it's all in the rice.5 -
Traveler120 wrote: »Those geniuses said potatoes don't count as a vegetable! Since when? Potatoes are a perfectly healthy and nutritious veg. Idiots!
I know! And the skin is loaded with potassium!
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Avoid bacon? Are they freaking kidding?!0
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