2,200 bike calories Saturday

NorthCascades
NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
edited December 2024 in Fitness and Exercise
My power meter measured 1,948 kilo-Joules, which comes out to somewhere between 2,142 and 2,240 kCals. Here's how MFP summarizes it:
burned 1,947 calories doing 263 minutes of Bicycling, 10-12 mph, light (cycling, biking, bike riding)

"Light" my *kitten*. Here's what my Garmin says:
47 miles round trip; 26 miles of dirt and gravel
4,419 feet elevation gain
4 hours 23 minutes moving time
0.992 intensity factor
416.3 training stress score
93 degrees F

Here are some pics from the ride. This is Cascade River Road in North Cascades National Park.

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The first of two bear sightings.

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My bike, at the top:

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The road below.

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Replies

  • snowflake930
    snowflake930 Posts: 2,188 Member
    Wow. Awesome accomplishment. MFP is way off on stats, imho.
    Beautiful ride, too bad it was so hot.
    How do you feel today?
  • _Waffle_
    _Waffle_ Posts: 13,049 Member
    Beautiful ride! Love the scenery. Glad someone is out there having fun. So this road is open from June - October... ish? How often can you ride out here?
  • BrianSharpe
    BrianSharpe Posts: 9,248 Member
    Beautiful ride! Which power meter are you using?
  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    I feel pretty good today. :smile: Yesterday my legs felt pretty tight, Saturday my shoulders were sore too. Yesterday I had a very leisurely swim and a walk, otherwise I took it pretty easy (except for a strength workout last night).

    The road is still gated 3 miles from the top, it's easy to go around on a bike but not in a car. It's in good shape up above, NPS probably hasn't sent anyone up there yet this spring. But June to late October is about right.
  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    Beautiful ride! Which power meter are you using?

    Garmin Vector 2. Got it last spring when I only had a skinny tire road bike. At this point, mountain pedals and shoes would be more appropriate for me (it was a challenge getting to more water sometimes) but otherwise I like it.
  • Mr_Stabbems
    Mr_Stabbems Posts: 4,771 Member
    Damn the vectors are too expensive for me, i was waiting for watteam's new stuff. I have the same issue with MFP in terms of light, feck you Mfp come do these inclines and tell me that *kitten* is "light"
  • Tweaking_Time
    Tweaking_Time Posts: 733 Member
    I ride the trails myself - but as a flat-lander. I know when I get off the KATY trail and jump on the road, my speed shoots up 3 or 4 mph with the same effort.

    The MFP calorie estimates have to be based on brand-new asphalt-surfaced glass-smooth road-rides with a tail wind.

    Beautiful pics BTW.
  • glevinso
    glevinso Posts: 1,895 Member
    What bike is that?
  • jacksonpt
    jacksonpt Posts: 10,413 Member
    Looks like some beautiful country.
  • ShrinkinMel
    ShrinkinMel Posts: 982 Member
    Wow that is some awesome burning. And gorgeous riding route.
  • hypodonthaveme
    hypodonthaveme Posts: 215 Member
    Amazing job. With gorgeous scenery like who could resist biking. Way to go!
  • rmfindleyjr
    rmfindleyjr Posts: 529 Member
    Beautiful Country!!
  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    glevinso wrote: »
    What bike is that?

    GT Grade, in carbon, with SRAM Force 22.

    Previous bike was a Cervelo R3 SL, I got hit by a car doing hill repeats, when I was recovered enough, Performance Bike was running a sale on the Grade. I have 28 mm tires on now, will probably go to 32 or 35 mm when they wear out. My Cervelo couldn't go wider than 23 mm. So I'm having a lot of fun exploring all the dirt roads I could never do before. :smile:
  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    The MFP calorie estimates have to be based on brand-new asphalt-surfaced glass-smooth road-rides with a tail wind.

    Actually it works different for me because I have a thing on my bike that measures how much energy I put into it, kind of like a bathroom scale measures weight. My Garmin doesn't even guess at how efficient I am at turning fats and carbs into mechanical work, so it just takes the total number of kilo-Jules I did and says that's how many calories I burned. It's annoying, but conservative, so I'm ok with it. And then Garmin just sends that number to MFP. So far, so good.

    The part I'm grumbling about is that MFP saw that my average speed was low (because I was going up hill, on dirt and gravel) and categorized it as "light" exercise. This was the hardest ride I've ever done!
  • snowflake930
    snowflake930 Posts: 2,188 Member
    We can see what you accomplished, and many of us are totally awed by what you have done!
    It is truly an amazing feat, not many would even be able to attempt it. MFP stats are general, nothing available for the athletes that are major competitors, with no consideration for weather, terrain, endurance etc.
    Congrats!
  • kcjchang
    kcjchang Posts: 709 Member
    Nice & beauty pics. Might want to check your FTP settings, 0.992 IF for four+ hours is nearly impossible.
  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    We can see what you accomplished, and many of us are totally awed by what you have done!
    It is truly an amazing feat, not many would even be able to attempt it.

    Thank you very much for the kind words. :smile: The most important thing (besides, I guess, that the bear didn't eat me) is that I impressed myself.

    I knew the trailhead at the end of the road would be about 3,500 feet above sea level, but I thought the town I would start in was 1,200 to 1,500 feet, turns out it's more like 300 feet. And there's a lot more up and down on the road than I expected. I really wanted to turn around early, it took everything I had not to, and I wasn't sure for a while.
  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    kcjchang wrote: »
    Nice & beauty pics. Might want to check your FTP settings, 0.992 IF for four+ hours is nearly impossible.

    I agree, and wondered if anybody would catch that. The normalized power for the ride came out to 1 watt below my FTP, I shouldn't be able to do that for more than an hour. It almost certainly means I've got stronger since the last time I found my FTP out. :smile: But it also means I need to figure it out again. :neutral:
  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
    I had the hardest ride of my life over the weekend as well. Not nearly that kind of scenery though. Lots of cows though lol.

    But yea, MFP also gets my MTB rides from Garmin and they show as a "Leisurely ride" even though it's single track and far from leisurely.
  • kcjchang
    kcjchang Posts: 709 Member
    Yup, probably a good chunk. Testing is training and training is testing. Or, could just commit sin #2 and/or #3 of the seven deadly sins and guesstimate base on ride file(s)
  • jaxCarrie
    jaxCarrie Posts: 214 Member
    yeah, I wouldn't sweat your 'light' (as in kick your *kitten*) ride on MFP...as long as your calories transfer from the meter/Garmin....you 'know' where your at....I am super envious of your elevation gain. SWEET!!!!
  • EvgeniZyntx
    EvgeniZyntx Posts: 24,208 Member
    Fantastic ride! Thanks for sharing!
  • kcjchang
    kcjchang Posts: 709 Member
    Just in case you haven't heard of it and are into data mining, check out GoldenCheetah. It's not as slick as WKO but free (and next rev with R, boundless).
  • Tweaking_Time
    Tweaking_Time Posts: 733 Member
    edited June 2016
    The part I'm grumbling about is that MFP saw that my average speed was low (because I was going up hill, on dirt and gravel) and categorized it as "light" exercise. This was the hardest ride I've ever done!

    I totally get it. I ride trails. They are much harder effort than roads. Hands down! However...I am too lazy to wear a HRM and my calorie burns are high enough even using the slower average speed that I am credited with.

    I am glad I saw your comment on the tire sizes too. I just tried a more technical ride and almost ate it a few times due to my narrow tires. I plan to up-size as well.
  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    kcjchang wrote: »
    Just in case you haven't heard of it and are into data mining, check out GoldenCheetah. It's not as slick as WKO but free (and next rev with R, boundless).

    The map feature is awesome! I told Beth "all those points, those are where it hurt." She was amazed a piece of software could know that.

    Have you used Training Peaks? Not sure if I'll be motivated to feed all my files into Golden Cheetah every time I ride, I know I can do that automagically with TP, just have it sync from my Garmin account. Not sure if that's worth $100 a year though. I really like the critical power chart and the performance management chart.
  • olive1968
    olive1968 Posts: 148 Member
    I've just recently gotten a road bike and my speed is 10.5 so far but let me tell you, I'm working my (albeit, overly large) @ss off to do that! So, I feel ya. Beautiful pics!!
  • kcjchang
    kcjchang Posts: 709 Member
    I tried it but didn't like it. Got frustrated after a few tries on setting my FTP history, creating custom training calendar, custom graphs/reports and such (maybe because it was the free account and not all options was available to me). Upcoming GC rev is supposed to finally incorporate training calendar so no more spreadsheets :smile: .

    I set GC to look at a designated folder to import ride files on start and dump my ride data from my computer into the folder. Just switch to a Garmin 520 but was using IpBike app/phone and after each ride I upload it to my Google Drive (GC designated local folder for import). With the Garmin there is an extra step of copying to local. Haven't got around to add a separate lookup path for GC import yet but just figure out what it is as I type this, just need to remember/search parameters for date stamp check and add that to my custom batch to start GC (and with Garmin 520 connected to the PC of course). I normally look at my ride stats a day or two after.
  • kcjchang
    kcjchang Posts: 709 Member
    Here is the script I wrote to copy the ride files from my Garmin 520 to local machine. I use the Google Drive folder so I can access GC from multiple computers and hence the TIMEOUT (allow for synchronization between local and server). Garmin device has to be connected before you initiate the batch command. Modify the path to GC Auto Import and executable, and Garmin device mount and activity file path to your own settings. Under GC Tools => Options => Athlete => Auto Import set the folder that GC will search for new ride files. The batch command will prompt you for number of back days for the copy process. 0-today, 1-yesterday, and so on. This eliminate duplication of ride files that are imported to GC. Remember to purge the import folder after closing GC.

    Sorry not an APPLE fan.

    ****************************************************************************************
    @echo off
    :start
    set /p Offset="Enter Number of Days: "
    echo d = date() - WScript.Arguments.Item(0) > earlierday.vbs
    echo wscript.echo year(d) * 10000 + month(d) * 100 + day(d) >> earlierday.vbs
    for /f %%a in ('cscript //nologo earlierday.vbs %Offset%') do set NewDate=%%a
    del earlierday.vbs

    :: Month
    set strMonth=%NewDate:~4,2%
    :: Day
    set strDate=%NewDate:~6,2%
    :: Year
    set strYear=%NewDate:~2,2%

    set BatchDate=%strMonth%-%strDate%-%strYear%

    XCOPY /D:%BatchDate% /I /Y F:\Garmin\Activities "C:\Users\kchang\Google Drive\Cycling\Imports"

    TIMEOUT /T 90
    :: Total Delay = 90 seconds
    START "" "C:\Program Files\Golden Cheetah\GoldenCheetah.exe"
  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    @kcjchang If you're ever in Seattle I owe you dinner! :smile:
  • robertw486
    robertw486 Posts: 2,449 Member
    Killer ride, and looks like a great area to really enjoy it. Well except for the elevation up part only being so enjoyable I suppose!

    As for the MFP conversions... yeah I can see how that could be a downer. Around here I have next to nothing for elevation, but the MFP conversion is more influenced by traffic and intersections, etc. I could work my tail off and have a lower graded ride. So I just pay more attention to Strava as an indication of calories per hour, since most of the variables balance out more.
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