What would you do about this rule breaker?

why don't you say something directly to her?

mom23nuts wrote: »

She has since put her dog on a leash but refuses to hold it. It drags behind the dog.

She sounds like a giant idiot that shouldn't be walking dogs. She's endangering the dogs and pedestrians alike.

Report her. Someone responsible will gladly take her spot.

Does the JRT belong to the professional dog walker or is it a client's dog?

If it is not her personal pet, then figure out who owns the JRT. Jacks need to be leashed because they are a breed who can be unpredictable - they will chase prey and not hear someone calling them, engage in fights with much larger dogs, or dart out into traffic. They often show fear based aggression and can bite, for instance, a child who handles them roughly or approaches them unexpectedly.

If I was paying someone to walk my JRT's, it would be unacceptable for me to discover that they dogs were ever let off their leash. This poor JRT is being put into a very dangerous situation, and the owner deserves to be made aware of what is going on.

EzRemake wrote: »

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Am I missing something here?

It's interrupting her fitness/exercise routine.

I would say to take photos/videos to send to animal control.

If it were me I would grab the dog's leash. She will obviously say that's her dog, and I would say some snarky comment along the lines of "well usually smart dog owners actually hold the leash. That's what the loop in the leash is for". But that's just me :P

I love dogs. Nothing softens my heart on a bad day like a dog. But nothing engages me like unleashed unruly dogs. I tolerate unleashed dogs that stay by their owners side.
Personally I'd carry a big old stick and swing when that dog comes your way. Or if you fall off your bike and get hurt dodging the dog you can get her information and let her know it will be for the doctor bill. She will either control her dog or go somewhere else.
I've kicked and swung at all sorts of dogs that come at me when I'm out for a walk, I won't and no one should have to wait until they're knocked down or bit.
I have clients who can no longer walk their favorite trails because people let their unruly dogs run at her. She asked if they could leash the dog because she's terrified as she was mauled as a child. She is told to go *kitten* herself. She is a very sweet elderly lady. This entitled attitude from these dog owners is *kitten* *kitten*. They should fine the he'll out of those people.

Rottified wrote: »

Personally I'd carry a big old stick and swing when that dog comes your way.

I've kicked and swung at all sorts of dogs that come at me when I'm out for a walk, I won't and no one should have to wait until they're knocked down or bit.

You are very lucky to have not been bitten if kicking and swinging at dogs. I would never recommend following this dangerous advice. Small dogs, especially a breed like a JRT, are prone to fear-based aggression. An aggressive act, such as swinging a stick or kicking at the dog, is not going to deescalate the situation. JRT's are that heroic breed that have been known to take on a pack of pit bulls attacking a human child - they will most likely easily dodge your stick and increase their aggression toward you. If you do manage to hit the dog, it is possible that you will cause a significant injury to the small animal, who most likely never would have harmed you.

With a JRT, the most important thing is to remain calm and not start acting strangely. My own JRT, on a bright red leash and walking calmly at my side displaying no aggressive behavior, growled and barked at an elderly gentleman on a walk because he started freaking out and shouting, "That dog is going to bite me!" while doing this weird fast sideways shuffling sort of dance. I told the guy to stop it and just keep on walking, as the dog, now energized, barking, and growling at this terrifying sight, was on a leash, but he kept shouting and dancing until we passed him on the other side of the road. No idea what provoked the man's bizarre behavior, but had my JRT been off-leash, it might have been enough to get him bitten, as a dog has no way of processing the meaning of that behavior (frankly, neither did I). Don't act aggressively (making eye contact, shouting, etc.). Keep in mind that the dog is likely terrified of you and its aggressive behavior is an attempt to scare you away from hurting it. Back away slowly and calmly.

Carrying a stick is not by itself a bad idea. If a dog is coming close to bite you, offering the stick to bite instead may make the dog think that he got a piece of you and give you an opportunity to walk out of the situation. A sweater, handbag, shoe, or backpack can also be useful in avoiding a bite.

I would just report it and leave it at that. You just can't teach some people...

mom23nuts wrote: »

RoxieDawn wrote: »

I may have been bothered in another lifetime.. Now I am older and do not care.

People are going to do what they feel they want to, just like you felt compelled to turn her in. No difference. People are weird and indifferent and unless a person is breaking the law, hurting themselves or proving they are there to put direct harm to others, leave it be.. Can't do a thing to change nobody,,

Its wasted energy on your part in my honest opinion.. and you are still wasting energy by stewing over it by this post.. I do not mean to be snarkie in the least, but people are just people and most of them are weird and cannot be understood by their behaviors.

Keep doing your thing..ignore it.. unless she is there to hurt you or others. Keep walking you and your dog where ever you feel like. If she bothers you, go somewhere else.

I know you are not being snarky, neither am I but isn't your stance just a way to advcate for anarchy? This is a beautiful place. Or was...recently, Kids set a bench on fire, carved a huge prom posal in a big tree. There shouldn't be 200 sets of conduct to accommodate 200 people that use the area.

Horses from a local farm use the trails, birdwatchers, and this spot even supports an all abilities handicapped trail.

At times there is even bear, coyote and deer. A bunch of us petitioned to save this place from being bulldozed soccer fields. I hardly think that warrants a do nothing attitude, especially if her dog is a constant menace. The rules are simple and pretty much agreed upon.

Oddly, animal control said, do whatever you need to do to keep yourself and your pet safe especially if we are the ones in the right.

Yikes, do you have this relaxed stance on everything, crime, car accidents, drinking and driving as long as it didn't hurt anyone? Why would go somewhere else in my own town when she is not even from here?.

I guess I don't get that logic. Basically it shouts, don't rock the boat or let it bother you and if it does vacate over addressing things. Turn tail and run is not how I live life or lessons to pass to my kids. I get not letting it escalate, but to bail doesn't seem like a middle ground either.

I agree with the OP. Why should you be forced out of a public place when someone else is breaking the rules? If it were me I'd keep reporting it. Obviously your first report got a response. Maybe the second will too. And I would warn other dog owners. If more people report her or say something to her maybe she'll actually pick up that leash.

ziggy2006 wrote: »

Rottified wrote: »

Personally I'd carry a big old stick and swing when that dog comes your way.

I've kicked and swung at all sorts of dogs that come at me when I'm out for a walk, I won't and no one should have to wait until they're knocked down or bit.

You are very lucky to have not been bitten if kicking and swinging at dogs. I would never recommend following this dangerous advice. Small dogs, especially a breed like a JRT, are prone to fear-based aggression. An aggressive act, such as swinging a stick or kicking at the dog, is not going to deescalate the situation. JRT's are that heroic breed that have been known to take on a pack of pit bulls attacking a human child - they will most likely easily dodge your stick and increase their aggression toward you. If you do manage to hit the dog, it is possible that you will cause a significant injury to the small animal, who most likely never would have harmed you.

Swinging and kicking will make a dog that's not serious leave. A few good swings and most dogs leave. But if it wants to harm you there's nothing you can do to persuade it not to. Might as well clear out those that aren't serious.
Since I lived in an area with many mean dogs. Seriously there's was my rottweiler and my neighbors two pit Bulls and neighbors with hunting dogs that were friendly that was about *kitten* it. Almost all others were flat out mean. Some bit my special needs brother, so me punting them when they came towards me is a he'll of a lot better than what my dad wanted to do.
Could it make it worse? Possibly, but I have zero problem taking a dog down, I always have something to protect myself. And if the dog comes up to me friendly I won't kick him. I'd check for an address and get it home but that didn't happen often.
And in my experience that punch or kick puts the dog in its place. My grandpa's devil dog was awful. Made the mistake of biting me one day. One punch and he became the sweetest thing in his house. Regularly woke up to him curled up next to me when he never did that before.

jessef593 wrote: »

A .22 and a water bottle would suffice for the Jack Russell I

Exactly, scare the crap out of her, which some people seriously need.