Rant About Thermogenesis
flabassmcgee
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Some ladies at work have been going on this hardcore dieting and health kick. It's awesome, I'm happy for everyone. They've watched me measure my food and eat well on and off for the better part of a year, but since December I've been 93 days strong on MFP, logging, exercising, weighing my food, etc. They see me with my food scale nearly every single day. I've lost 13 pounds slowly (trying to find a good balance with some thyroid issues) but it's coming off.
I ordered Jimmy John's today and through random conversation someone brought up that gluten turns to fat in our stomachs. I tried to point out how that's not true, but everyone pounced. All these common misconceptions rushed in... Bread turns to sugar which turns to fat, eating Twinkies and chips versus nutrient dense food with the same amount of calories will make you gain weight versus lose weight, etc.
I brought up thermogenesis, CICO, that study Mark Haub did, etc. Nope, nope, nope, look it up, see a dietician, you're wrong, etc was the general consensus. I admit I got really pissed off and was like, " Well, I lost 13 pounds eating chocolate and ice cream and chips and Cadbury eggs and bread." They argued that it's because I eat healthy 80% of the time and weigh things, but the law still applies, people!!!
All I was saying was that I can have my cake, eat it and still lose. Nothing turns to fat directly after eating it, overeating does that. There are no special snowflakes. Health and age may determine just how much you can eat, but CICO still applies.
Am I wrong? Set me straight! Tell me exactly what I need to know!
I ordered Jimmy John's today and through random conversation someone brought up that gluten turns to fat in our stomachs. I tried to point out how that's not true, but everyone pounced. All these common misconceptions rushed in... Bread turns to sugar which turns to fat, eating Twinkies and chips versus nutrient dense food with the same amount of calories will make you gain weight versus lose weight, etc.
I brought up thermogenesis, CICO, that study Mark Haub did, etc. Nope, nope, nope, look it up, see a dietician, you're wrong, etc was the general consensus. I admit I got really pissed off and was like, " Well, I lost 13 pounds eating chocolate and ice cream and chips and Cadbury eggs and bread." They argued that it's because I eat healthy 80% of the time and weigh things, but the law still applies, people!!!
All I was saying was that I can have my cake, eat it and still lose. Nothing turns to fat directly after eating it, overeating does that. There are no special snowflakes. Health and age may determine just how much you can eat, but CICO still applies.
Am I wrong? Set me straight! Tell me exactly what I need to know!
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I avoid discussing weight loss strategies with people in the workplace unless specifically asked. And I worked with nutrition experts, pharmacists and doctors. Lol, people do crazy things.
There is no "law", cico is just a pretty good general guideline. And yes, there are special snowflakes. Hyperthyroid function, insulin resistance, malabsorption diseases, tumors, PCOS are just a few examples of special snowflake conditions that will modify how nutrition will impact weight.
Relax, carry on being successful, but understand that what we think we know is more complex than that.
You can suggest that focusing on the majors and long term adherence strategy is more important than labeling chips the devil....2 -
That's helpful. Going on what you said about thyroid fiction, nutrient absorption is effected, too? This I wasn't aware of. But doesn't CICO still apply?0
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furioushummingbird wrote: »Some ladies at work have been going on this hardcore dieting and health kick. It's awesome, I'm happy for everyone. They've watched me measure my food and eat well on and off for the better part of a year, but since December I've been 93 days strong on MFP, logging, exercising, weighing my food, etc. They see me with my food scale nearly every single day. I've lost 13 pounds slowly (trying to find a good balance with some thyroid issues) but it's coming off.
I ordered Jimmy John's today and through random conversation someone brought up that gluten turns to fat in our stomachs. I tried to point out how that's not true, but everyone pounced. All these common misconceptions rushed in... Bread turns to sugar which turns to fat, eating Twinkies and chips versus nutrient dense food with the same amount of calories will make you gain weight versus lose weight, etc.
I brought up thermogenesis, CICO, that study Mark Haub did, etc. Nope, nope, nope, look it up, see a dietician, you're wrong, etc was the general consensus. I admit I got really pissed off and was like, " Well, I lost 13 pounds eating chocolate and ice cream and chips and Cadbury eggs and bread." They argued that it's because I eat healthy 80% of the time and weigh things, but the law still applies, people!!!
All I was saying was that I can have my cake, eat it and still lose. Nothing turns to fat directly after eating it, overeating does that. There are no special snowflakes. Health and age may determine just how much you can eat, but CICO still applies.
Am I wrong? Set me straight! Tell me exactly what I need to know!
All snowflakes are special.3 -
There are studies that say CICO is true, but other studies that talk about efficiencies of caloric intake and how limiting readily available sugars in the blood can increase fat loss/use.
But yeah...the issue with most people is moderation and counting calories.
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CICO is true...but the levels of how low your CI has to be and how high your CO has to be to burn CI off will differ dramatically based on height, gender, muscle percentage, medical conditions, etc...
Kinda like cars...a Prius, an Accord and a Maserati may all have a 12 tank, but how far each one of those cars will drive on that is wildly different and takes into account vehicle mass, terrain, fuel efficiency and wildcards like an electric supplemental engine.
You may lose weight living on butter, someone else may gain weight living on celery...however the quantity you eat of it, versus how quickly you burn it off will ultimately determine the result. (and man, that would be a helluva lotta celery...ew)2 -
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I love how this has become another argument.
@flabassmcgee, congrats on losing 13 pounds with a method that works for YOU. As long as you are healthy and being smart about your loss, which is sounds like you are, if it works for you, it works. Might there be more efficient ways to lose? Maybe? I don't know. But, if you are able to sustain this method and remain happy, more power to you and screw what anyone says at work, home, or here.
I mean, hell, I've lost 26 drinking a bourbon most days, so, I am no expert on general health (fun, yes!). So, I am more of a CICO person at heart, with a healthy belief in most things in moderation....1 -
I once told someone on fb to look in the mirror, and look at me. Then get back to me on who obviously knows more about the topic. And that's when the insults started lol3
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Looks like wet bread dough. ew.
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