Ammonia odor
deanadimples
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During a couple of my last workouts, I've gotten that "ammonia" odor. I've heard that it's from the body using up all it's available carbs. I went to a few websites and the explanations were all in depth.
In layman's terms, what's going on? Is this bad? If it's carbs, what's the best way to carb up so that this doesn't happen?
If this helps, my workouts are generally 30DS followed by 25-30 mins of running. I'm not struggling horribly during the workouts. If anything I'm just getting a good workout and within normal range per my HRM. i don't feel like I'm gassed out or anything.
In layman's terms, what's going on? Is this bad? If it's carbs, what's the best way to carb up so that this doesn't happen?
If this helps, my workouts are generally 30DS followed by 25-30 mins of running. I'm not struggling horribly during the workouts. If anything I'm just getting a good workout and within normal range per my HRM. i don't feel like I'm gassed out or anything.
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This is interesting because I have had this happen too... after more strenuous workouts. I never thought too much of it, but at times it was really bothersome. I'll be watching this thread to see the replies.0
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I've actually had this happen just recently. One workout was so bad, it made my headphone wires stinky. I've never had it happen before (in 18 months or so I've been working out!), so I'm curious as to what is going on.0
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I've always heard that insufficient intake of carbs causes this phenomenon. I do not work out as hard as you do, but in my own experience, a small handful of almonds and an 8 oz bottle of low-fat chocolate milk or perhaps an apple before I commence exercising really helps me. Insufficient hydration probably also has something to do with it, as my sweat does not have an offensive odor if I have enough to drink.0
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It probably comes down to your diet and the timing of your eating relative to your exercise.
If your body can't burn carbs to fuel your workout, then it's going to burn amino acids-either from your food or by breaking down muscle-and you may get that ammonia smell.
If you don't eat anything before working out, especially if you are one of those people who stops eating at 6 or 7PM or stops eating carbs at 3 or eats super-low carb, this using amino acids for fuel/ammonia issue is more likely to occur. It's also more likely to occur if you're dehydrated.
Try eating something small (100-200 calories) about an hour before you work out and see if it helps.0 -
It sounds like your body is in Ketosis, not to be confused with Ketoacidosis. If you're following a low-carb plan don't worry you're fine. Could also be from high-protein intake. Stay hydrated, if it's the latter (high-protein) adjust your macro-nutrient ratios.0
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It only happens to me when I havent had alot of water befor I work out0
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That's really interesting. I was wondering why my sweat-band smelled so weird today. I thought there was a problem with my washing machine!0
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OK, I just went here to read about the problem. You probably found the same thing:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/ammonia.htm
Here's what it means:
Every day, we build and destroy muscle. When muscle is created, we use, and keep, nitrogen. When we're building, we have a positive nigrogen balance, meaning we're taking in and keeping more nitrogen than we're releasing. When muscle is destroyed, we release a nitrogen + 3 hydrogen molecule (ammonia). The nitrogen + hydrogen will leave our bodies via water. If there is not enough water for the molecule to leave via urine (preferred), it will leave via sweat. Hence, the smell of ammonia.
The smell can be indicative of two things:
1. You are not drinking enough water. If your urine is clear to lemon yellow, and you go at least twice (according to this article), you are getting enough water. If your urine is amber or you go less than twice, the problem may be remedied by simply drinking more water.
or...
2. You are not getting enough carbs to fuel your muscle, and your muscle is using fat + amino acids (possibly your hard-earned muscle) for fuel. You might be in a state of negative nitrogen balance. This situation might be remedied by eating a small, higher carbohydrate snack 45 min. before you work out, and then again within 30 minutes of completing your workout. If you are working out vigorously for longer than 45 minutes, you may need to replenish your glycogen stores with an energy gel or sports drink at the 30-45 min. mark, as they may be depleted.
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It sounds like your body is in Ketosis, not to be confused with Ketoacidosis. If you're following a low-carb plan don't worry you're fine. Could also be from high-protein intake. Stay hydrated, if it's the latter (high-protein) adjust your macro-nutrient ratios.
Hm. I have upped my protein lately. I know I'm NOT dehydrated as I've been consuming 80-100oz of water a day. So, that isn't it. As for not eating before I workout, I've never eaten before I workout (don't wanna vomit while there), so I know that isn't it. Only change is I have upped my protein lately because I've been doing more weight training.0 -
It's just your body breaking down amino acids in your system for energy. From what I've read this usually happens on low carb diets. Drinking water helps, but so does eating more carbs.0
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It's just your body breaking down amino acids in your system for energy. From what I've read this usually happens on low carb diets. Drinking water helps, but so does eating more carbs.
Kind of. If she is truly on a low-carb diet plan and her protein is too high, then she wants to balance out her Fat and Protein intake so her body uses fat for energy instead of protein. Some kind of ratio of 45/40/15 (F/P/C) 40/40/20.0 -
It sounds like your body is in Ketosis, not to be confused with Ketoacidosis. If you're following a low-carb plan don't worry you're fine. Could also be from high-protein intake. Stay hydrated, if it's the latter (high-protein) adjust your macro-nutrient ratios.
Hm. I have upped my protein lately. I know I'm NOT dehydrated as I've been consuming 80-100oz of water a day. So, that isn't it. As for not eating before I workout, I've never eaten before I workout (don't wanna vomit while there), so I know that isn't it. Only change is I have upped my protein lately because I've been doing more weight training.
You might actually be dehydrated. It takes a lot more water to process extra protein.0 -
It sounds like your body is in Ketosis, not to be confused with Ketoacidosis. If you're following a low-carb plan don't worry you're fine. Could also be from high-protein intake. Stay hydrated, if it's the latter (high-protein) adjust your macro-nutrient ratios.
Hm. I have upped my protein lately. I know I'm NOT dehydrated as I've been consuming 80-100oz of water a day. So, that isn't it. As for not eating before I workout, I've never eaten before I workout (don't wanna vomit while there), so I know that isn't it. Only change is I have upped my protein lately because I've been doing more weight training.
Are you avoiding carbs for dinner? Because even if you workout on an empty stomach you should still have glucose in your system to burn instead of amino acids.0 -
I can't say that I'm on a low "carb" diet. I'm just watching my calories.
I'm drinking water and only water all day. My urine is always clear or very pale. I even drink during my workouts. (16-24 oz)
I do sweat quite a bit when I workout. I'm just a sweater! When I'm done my headband and hair are soaked!
This am I slept in until 10 (go me! LOL) Had 1.5 svgs of Raisin Bran and worked out about 30-45 mins later. I too don't like to workout with a full tummy. I drank when I worked out this am too.
So since I'm drinking water I guess I need more carbs or better cabs before my workout.0 -
It sounds like your body is in Ketosis, not to be confused with Ketoacidosis. If you're following a low-carb plan don't worry you're fine. Could also be from high-protein intake. Stay hydrated, if it's the latter (high-protein) adjust your macro-nutrient ratios.
Hm. I have upped my protein lately. I know I'm NOT dehydrated as I've been consuming 80-100oz of water a day. So, that isn't it. As for not eating before I workout, I've never eaten before I workout (don't wanna vomit while there), so I know that isn't it. Only change is I have upped my protein lately because I've been doing more weight training.
You might actually be dehydrated. It takes a lot more water to process extra protein.
Not that you wanna know this ... but, when I pee it is very light yellow to almost clear. I'm going A LOT too. So, I figured I was okay water-wise. Maybe not?0 -
It sounds like your body is in Ketosis, not to be confused with Ketoacidosis. If you're following a low-carb plan don't worry you're fine. Could also be from high-protein intake. Stay hydrated, if it's the latter (high-protein) adjust your macro-nutrient ratios.
Hm. I have upped my protein lately. I know I'm NOT dehydrated as I've been consuming 80-100oz of water a day. So, that isn't it. As for not eating before I workout, I've never eaten before I workout (don't wanna vomit while there), so I know that isn't it. Only change is I have upped my protein lately because I've been doing more weight training.
Are you avoiding carbs for dinner? Because even if you workout on an empty stomach you should still have glucose in your system to burn instead of amino acids.
Nope. I don't avoid carbs at all. I eat them whenever.0 -
I did finally find this article...which is a bit long, but I think he explains it well too.
By Jeremy Likness – Certified Personal Trainer
What Is Ammonia?
The chemical make-up of ammonia is NH3. This means that there is one Nitrogen atom bound to three Hydrogen atoms. Ammonia can be a weak acid or a weak base, depending on what type of chemical it is suspended in. Ammonia has a strong, pungent odor that is easily recognizable in cleaning products, cat urine, and, for some people, sweat!
The key to ammonia in urine and sweat is the nitrogen. The only macronutrient in your body that contains nitrogen is amino acids, the building blocks of protein. In fact, many bodybuilders are always seeking a "positive nitrogen balance" meaning that less nitrogen leaves their body than enters their body. Since nitrogen is in every amino acid, and amino acids are the building blocks of muscle, someone in positive nitrogen balance is more than likely gaining muscle mass.
Your body uses amino acids for energy every day. There is no way to avoid this. Your body constantly goes into catabolic (tissue breakdown) and anabolic (tissue building) phases. When you accumulate mass (lean or fat), your anabolic phases exceed your catabolic phases, but you still experience both phases. When your body uses an amino acid for energy, it must convert the amino acid to a useable form of energy.
It does this by stripping the nitrogen atom off of the molecule. The skeleton molecule that is left behind is then further converted into glucose and used as fuel. In order to get rid of the excess nitrogen, your body typically processes the nitrogen in your kidneys and forms urea, CO(NH2)2 - basically, a carbon dioxide molecule bound to nitrogen and hydrogen. Urea is then excreted in the urine. If your kidneys cannot handle the load of nitrogen, then the nitrogen will be excreted as ammonia in your sweat.
One other factor to consider is water intake. The methods used for getting rid of excess ammonia, such as urine and sweat, all require water as a transport mechanism. If you are not getting adequate fluid, then the solution (ammonia + water) will not be diluted. Therefore, water plays a definite role. If you are not drinking enough fluids to have at least one or two clear urinations every day, you should drink more.
Based on this explanation, it is clear that your sweat will smell like ammonia only if an excessive amount of amino acids are being used for energy, or you are not receiving adequate water. This helps us find a solution to the problem.
Doesn't That Mean My Protein Intake Is Inadequate?
Many people mistakenly believe that ammonia sweat means that their protein intake is not high enough. The body will only utilize protein for energy when it does not have a sufficient supply of fats and carbohydrates. Muscles can use glucose and fat for energy, but your brain requires glucose. Since there is no direct metabolic pathway from fat to glucose, your body will use amino acids instead. If your protein intake is high, there is a chance that the amino acids that supply energy will come from ingested food and not your hard-earned muscle tissue - but why take that chance?
Let's look at an oil lamp. If you fill that lamp with Citronella oil, it will have a distinct odor when you light it. To eliminate that odor, do you add more Citronella? No! That's just fanning the flames. You'd use a different type of oil instead. The same goes for the ammonia smell - this is just the smell of amino acids being "burned" in your body. You don't solve that by adding more amino acids. Instead, you need to supply the fuel that your body prefers - the fuel that can be easily broken down to glucose in order to supply energy to your muscles and your brain - carbohydrates!
The key to avoiding that ammonia smell is to ingest sufficient carbohydrates. If you eat an ample amount of carbohydrate with every meal, then you should have plenty to fuel your exercise activity. Even people who work out on an empty stomach should have some glucose in their bloodstream upon rising - unless they subscribe to the myth that cutting out carbohydrates before bed helps you lose fat. If you find that the ammonia smell persists (even when you consume carbohydrate with every meal), try having a low glycemic carbohydrate before you workout.
A little oatmeal, a small apple, or even a piece of sprouted grain bread can provide the fuel that your body needs. Remember, your body requires fuel to burn fat! So don't think that providing some carbs before cardio is going to eliminate the fat burning process. In fact, most of my clients who consume a light meal before working out report that their energy levels go through the roof, and they have an incredible workout. If adding 80 calories in the form of a slice of sprouted grain bread kicks your energy levels into high gear and helps you burn 100 more calories during exercise (while sparing your muscles from being used as fuel), there is no reason to worry about dropping fat!
Learning Your Body
Your body can only process a certain amount of food at each meal. Therefore, it may not be possible to avoid that ammonia smell during prolonged activities. The smell is common, for example, amongst marathon runners, who are engaging in continuous cardiovascular exercise for hours at a time. In that situation, it is advisable to consume "sports drinks" or other sources of energy during the activity to fuel your body (and especially your brain) and prevent your amino acids from being burned for energy.
The next time you smell ammonia, don't worry. It doesn't mean that your muscle tissue being broken down, and it doesn't mean that you're doomed to stink for the rest of eternity. Consume a nutritious meal immediately after exercising - a balance of lean protein and whole, unprocessed carbohydrates - and then increase your carbohydrate intake throughout the day, or add a small "snack" prior to your next workout. An apple a day can help keep the ammonia smell away!
BTW...Who drinks water and only pees 2x a day?? OMG I practically LIVE in the bathroom!0
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