What derails you?

bananabeannn
bananabeannn Posts: 110 Member
edited December 2024 in Motivation and Support
Hi everyone -

I have been thinking a lot lately about what, exactly, is it that derails us completely? I am trying to make a more conscious effort to be mindful of the stuff that my brain tells me...the messages it is conditioned to send, you know?

I get derailed when I tell myself, and believe things like:

- It doesn't matter what I do, I don't lose weight (comeback: umm, I always do the same thing. diet for a few days and give up...irrational thought!)

- My body refuses to lose weight, no matter what I do (comeback: i'm pretty sure is still a human body, and it probably reacts like all bodies do. when there is a calorie defecit it loses mass, when there is an excess, it gains)

- Unless I restrict my calories a lot, or skip meals, I don't lose weight (comeback: have you ever tried anything different, for any extended period of time? nooo)

- Going to the gym doesn't make any difference at all, there is no point (comeback; maybe you need to change up your workout. you know you need to change it up, actually. and go consistently. plus, you always feel better after)

- I might as well just give up, it's pointless (comeback: other people achieve weight loss goals, why can't i?)

- I gained a pound overnight, well this isn't working (comeback: it takes time to lose weight. the scale is not always an accurate reflection of progress).

- I lost more weight than I expected, so it's okay to eat something bad now (comeback: if you want to keep fluctuating within 5 pounds, yes, this is what you can do)

- I can't do this, might as well eat (comeback: what evidence do you have that you can't do this? stick to it and you can, just like anyone else).

What are your derailing thoughts? And how can you make a comeback at them?

BB

Replies

  • sashayoung72
    sashayoung72 Posts: 441 Member
    Thinking I can handle my trigger foods, like ice cream. If I buy a quart planning ahead to only eat 1/2 cup, it might be okay the first day but i'm having 3 cups for dinner the next night. Now I just plan for a cone at a local place so I can't overindulge. After the previous incidents I'm beating myself up thinking all my hard work is over, i might as well quit. THEN i realize I didn't gain back all 80 something lbs and chill out, take a breath and keep on trucking!
  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    My derailleurs. Get it? Hahaha! Ok, I'll stop making puns in your thread.

    As somebody who exercises a lot, my biggest danger and pitfall is thinking I've earned an extra treat. Not so much in the sense that I just rode 45 miles on my bike so I have calories today for whatever, that's perfectly legit. It's "I'm an active person generally and even if I've been less active today, it averages out." I lost a bunch of weight years ago and then started dating and ultimately moved in with a brilliant cook; using that kind of reasoning I gained it all back. This time around I'm not letting myself fall into that trap.

    Also, the idea "I don't want to wait a year for this" is kind of dangerous, I try to remember that a year is going to pass whether I do anything or not. A year from now I can be in a better place, or I can not be.
  • vespiquenn
    vespiquenn Posts: 1,455 Member
    I actually have the opposite gym thought problem in that if I don't get a workout in, or my workout didn't exceed my expectations, I get upset. I'm currently training for a half-marathon and ran today to find that I did terribly and wanted to quit after two miles. But to reverse my line of thinking, I told myself that finishing was better than nothing, even at a slow pace. So I got my four miles in. It's definitely hard for me to accept that everything won't be my best when I'm such a perfectionist with myself. Slowly getting over it though.
  • chocolate_owl
    chocolate_owl Posts: 1,695 Member
    My three big ones right now are:

    -I'm injured, I should get better first before I exercise. (No, there are plenty of things I can do to be active that don't stress my injury.)

    -I'm healthy right now, do I need to lose 5 more lbs? (No, but I would prefer to, and the longer I put it off the more time I spend not looking the way I want to look.)

    -I can splurge on this dinner with friends tonight and get back on track tomorrow, right? (Of course I can, except that I've already eaten out without logging twice this week, didn't log those chips I snacked on at work, and missed a workout this week, so I'm obviously not on track at all. Another splurge won't help that.)
  • bananabeannn
    bananabeannn Posts: 110 Member

    -I'm healthy right now, do I need to lose 5 more lbs? (No, but I would prefer to, and the longer I put it off the more time I spend not looking the way I want to look.)

    ^^ YES! Sure, most of us don't NEED to lose weight. But the longer we don't, even if it is vanity pounds...the longer we spend not being where we want to be. love it.
  • saraonly9913
    saraonly9913 Posts: 469 Member
    Monthly pms cravings. It basically caused a never ending plateau. I keep losing and gaining the same few pounds......over and over and over.
  • JustMissTracy
    JustMissTracy Posts: 6,338 Member
    Stress...cravings....desire to binge every month, like clockwork....
  • STEVE142142
    STEVE142142 Posts: 867 Member
    Not being arrogant or cocky I don't think there's anything but God himself that can derail me at this point.

    To actually lose the weight is very simple. This app and Community has helped me dramatically. The tough part is the mental aspect I firmly believe that you have to be in the right State of Mind and have the right attitude to succeed. This is a common response of mine to a lot of people but personally for me I think this sums it up. You have to find a why that motivate you. That why has to be totally selfish it can't be for your significant other it can't be for the kids it can't be for so and so and so and so. By it being totally selfish, all the other whys will take care of themselves.

    Yes I do hear the inner demons speak. Should I keep the clothes that don't fit me anymore just in case I put the weight back on. God that pizza was good should I have a second third or fourth slice. You've lost so much weight you'll be fine.

    We all have our inner demons that speak to us it's a matter of controlling them instead of controlling us. Remember this is a lifelong journey not a quick Sprint. We'll have our good days we'll have our bad days learn from both of them and move on

  • jahillegas_51
    jahillegas_51 Posts: 143 Member
    Stress...cravings....desire to binge every month, like clockwork....

    Not sure of your story for why you binge, but here are some starter tips:) I am happy to field some Q&A with you to help you find your comeback:))

    First, admit there was a problem. For three going on four years, I blamed externals, my drive, and my dreams for my actions. Ignoring people in my life hinting at me that I may have a problem, including family, close friends, and girlfriend. I lied to myself, rationalizing it with the mask of a cheat meal. As the punishment for binging increased so did the amount of times I binged. At first once a week, then every couple days, every other, until it consumed my thoughts. At times I would drive to Walmart just to eat it all before coming home. Chances are if you are reading this it is because you are looking for help. Good for you, you are lightyears ahead of where I was!

    Second, I learned to love myself for me, as a matter of fact I am still learning how to do this. Today, the emulated physique is seen as happiness. It is published on social media, magazines, and posters as the symbol of happiness. I believed it, I chased it and chased it. I had it for some time and I was still just as miserable. How you look will not make you happy! Now don’t twist those words as an excuse to just let ourselves become overweight. Chances are you will break step 1 which is lying and rationalizing it. We have to learn to accept our imperfections. We all have them and everyone tries to hide them. Here are my flaws (some I can fix, others are what they are):
    Relationships: I am aweful. I wrecked a 15 year friendship with a highschool sweetheart, I was selfish and an *kitten*. I can also be abrasive and brutal with little to no compassion. However ever since I shared this personal story, I have gotten better. Although I am by no means finished working on this.
    Skin Damage: I never wore sunscreen as a kid. Now I have moles, freckles, and scars. Some I wish weren’t there. Some girls won’t talk to me because of them. I am not “sexy” enough. They aren’t “interested”.

    Don’t let your imperfections stop you from loving yourself. You are the only you this world will ever see, embrace yourself. Perhaps the worst thing about this cycle was I hated myself, I hated my life, I did not want to look in the mirror, I thought I was a failure that I would never make it, I contemplated suicide. When I would binge, I would punish myself. Don’t do that we are human, life is meant to be enjoyed. Life is much too short to never treat yourself to what you love to eat whatever that maybe for you. Look yourself in the mirror directly into your eyes saying “I LOVE myself” at least 10 times a day, if not more. P.S. try not to smile when you say this (harder than you think).

    Thirdly, there is no such thing as good food, bad food. Placing labels on food, leads us to ban them from our intake. We say, “No, No, No, No, No…” We push for the perfect diet, once we eat this food that does not fall into this neat diet box; we throw our hands up, saying we failed so now is the time to eat everything we can. This leads to punishment. Which leads to more restrictions. This is the vicious cycle we as binge eaters face. I used to believe it myself, that there was clean food and bad food. It simply is this manifested idea. If you ask a vegan, he/she will say animal based foods are not clean. Someone who is a vegetarian will disagree, and say it is just animal products that are not clean. Then a paleo guy runs in screaming about how meat is clean, but grains aren’t. So someone has to be right? They are all wrong. Instead, adopt my grandmother’s wise old adage of “everything in moderation.” AKA IIFYM

    Fourth, going along the lines of moderation. You can eat whatever you want just not all at once. I believe I heard Layne Norton say this, I believe this, like the 11th commandment, in fact it should be an amendment to the constitution. When I first began to escape cycle, I would eat one “treat” at every meal. Nothing crazy, but it will allow you still get your “fix” but you won’t binge on it. Any action in the right direction gave me more motivation and encouragement to keep improving. The small wins kept snowballing into large victories later that slammed the door on binging. Disclaimer, it is wiser to eat this food item from a plate not from the container. Don’t test your will to fight binging if you do not have too. As the old saying goes, “work smarter, not harder.”

    Fifth, no more crazy spreadsheets and tracking of nutrients line item by line item like an accountant. I did not worry about counting calories and the works. I would instead eat (3) meals, breakfast, lunch and supper possibly a snack if I was hungry. I would eat slowly, and as I began to feel fuller I would stop eating. You may be like me and scared that you’ll get fat. Well what is our other choice? We can keep binge eating which is not working, because you wouldn’t be reading this. Or we can reach out and try something new. I need to be conscious of my eating, instead of speed eating (still struggle at times).

    Sixth, 180, 190, 160, 225, 200…what number was it going to be today I thought I as I closed my eyes scared to look down at the scale after a night of binging (these were all weights I reached during this cycle). You do not need a scale to help you. It’s about small wins, small wins, they add up trust me; I have been there too. Most people overestimate the damage of a binge. You need to eat in excess of 3500 calories over your normal intake to gain a pound of fat. It is not as bad as we create in our minds. Additionally, when we stand on the scale after a binge our body is bloated, full of food, sodium, and other goodies. This only compounds the guilt feeling.

    It is your lucky day! I said six, but here is a seventh tip. So, what about eating at restaurants and parties? Parties were my kryptonite, the amount of food that I saw and I thought I had to eat three people’s worth of everything. What helped me to win at parties was I made this a game in my head (who cares no one else knows..plus now you know I did it). I am very competitive; I hate losing even if it’s go fish with a girlfriend (I will be a terrible father I will never let my kids win). Since eating slower and not getting seconds was a struggle at first. The game I created was to be the last one done eating, and the last one to get seconds. This helped me in many ways, first to help me eat slower I talked with people, this helped to repair the relationships I had damaged in the past, plus I was not over eating (win/win). Which is why I was last to get seconds, so often I would eat so quick that my stomach didn’t even know it was fed until I was already 4-5 plates of heaping food deep.

    Make that eight, workout for fun! For so long in this process I trained for results no I do not mean goals; I simply worked out to look good that’s it! It was the complete wrong direction, it made training no fun, I dreaded every gym session, and was having a miserable time. It doesn’t matter if you are into bodybuilding, figure, physique, cross fit, powerlifting, strongman, marathons, etc. just train for fun, train to get better and challenge yourself. For me this was powerlifting.
  • maryannamber
    maryannamber Posts: 22 Member
    Very bad habit of mine is that I will fall back into bad eating patterns and somehow have this poisonous thinking that 'If i lost weight once I can do it again' so I would go on eating bad and then give up totally. I need to remind myself that losing weight wasnt as easy when I was in my early 20s as it is now.
  • JustMissTracy
    JustMissTracy Posts: 6,338 Member
    edited June 2016
    Stress...cravings....desire to binge every month, like clockwork....

    Not sure of your story for why you binge, but here are some starter tips:) I am happy to field some Q&A with you to help you find your comeback:))

    First, admit there was a problem. For three going on four years, I blamed externals, my drive, and my dreams for my actions. Ignoring people in my life hinting at me that I may have a problem, including family, close friends, and girlfriend. I lied to myself, rationalizing it with the mask of a cheat meal. As the punishment for binging increased so did the amount of times I binged. At first once a week, then every couple days, every other, until it consumed my thoughts. At times I would drive to Walmart just to eat it all before coming home. Chances are if you are reading this it is because you are looking for help. Good for you, you are lightyears ahead of where I was!

    Second, I learned to love myself for me, as a matter of fact I am still learning how to do this. Today, the emulated physique is seen as happiness. It is published on social media, magazines, and posters as the symbol of happiness. I believed it, I chased it and chased it. I had it for some time and I was still just as miserable. How you look will not make you happy! Now don’t twist those words as an excuse to just let ourselves become overweight. Chances are you will break step 1 which is lying and rationalizing it. We have to learn to accept our imperfections. We all have them and everyone tries to hide them. Here are my flaws (some I can fix, others are what they are):
    Relationships: I am aweful. I wrecked a 15 year friendship with a highschool sweetheart, I was selfish and an *kitten*. I can also be abrasive and brutal with little to no compassion. However ever since I shared this personal story, I have gotten better. Although I am by no means finished working on this.
    Skin Damage: I never wore sunscreen as a kid. Now I have moles, freckles, and scars. Some I wish weren’t there. Some girls won’t talk to me because of them. I am not “sexy” enough. They aren’t “interested”.

    Don’t let your imperfections stop you from loving yourself. You are the only you this world will ever see, embrace yourself. Perhaps the worst thing about this cycle was I hated myself, I hated my life, I did not want to look in the mirror, I thought I was a failure that I would never make it, I contemplated suicide. When I would binge, I would punish myself. Don’t do that we are human, life is meant to be enjoyed. Life is much too short to never treat yourself to what you love to eat whatever that maybe for you. Look yourself in the mirror directly into your eyes saying “I LOVE myself” at least 10 times a day, if not more. P.S. try not to smile when you say this (harder than you think).

    Thirdly, there is no such thing as good food, bad food. Placing labels on food, leads us to ban them from our intake. We say, “No, No, No, No, No…” We push for the perfect diet, once we eat this food that does not fall into this neat diet box; we throw our hands up, saying we failed so now is the time to eat everything we can. This leads to punishment. Which leads to more restrictions. This is the vicious cycle we as binge eaters face. I used to believe it myself, that there was clean food and bad food. It simply is this manifested idea. If you ask a vegan, he/she will say animal based foods are not clean. Someone who is a vegetarian will disagree, and say it is just animal products that are not clean. Then a paleo guy runs in screaming about how meat is clean, but grains aren’t. So someone has to be right? They are all wrong. Instead, adopt my grandmother’s wise old adage of “everything in moderation.” AKA IIFYM

    Fourth, going along the lines of moderation. You can eat whatever you want just not all at once. I believe I heard Layne Norton say this, I believe this, like the 11th commandment, in fact it should be an amendment to the constitution. When I first began to escape cycle, I would eat one “treat” at every meal. Nothing crazy, but it will allow you still get your “fix” but you won’t binge on it. Any action in the right direction gave me more motivation and encouragement to keep improving. The small wins kept snowballing into large victories later that slammed the door on binging. Disclaimer, it is wiser to eat this food item from a plate not from the container. Don’t test your will to fight binging if you do not have too. As the old saying goes, “work smarter, not harder.”

    Fifth, no more crazy spreadsheets and tracking of nutrients line item by line item like an accountant. I did not worry about counting calories and the works. I would instead eat (3) meals, breakfast, lunch and supper possibly a snack if I was hungry. I would eat slowly, and as I began to feel fuller I would stop eating. You may be like me and scared that you’ll get fat. Well what is our other choice? We can keep binge eating which is not working, because you wouldn’t be reading this. Or we can reach out and try something new. I need to be conscious of my eating, instead of speed eating (still struggle at times).

    Sixth, 180, 190, 160, 225, 200…what number was it going to be today I thought I as I closed my eyes scared to look down at the scale after a night of binging (these were all weights I reached during this cycle). You do not need a scale to help you. It’s about small wins, small wins, they add up trust me; I have been there too. Most people overestimate the damage of a binge. You need to eat in excess of 3500 calories over your normal intake to gain a pound of fat. It is not as bad as we create in our minds. Additionally, when we stand on the scale after a binge our body is bloated, full of food, sodium, and other goodies. This only compounds the guilt feeling.

    It is your lucky day! I said six, but here is a seventh tip. So, what about eating at restaurants and parties? Parties were my kryptonite, the amount of food that I saw and I thought I had to eat three people’s worth of everything. What helped me to win at parties was I made this a game in my head (who cares no one else knows..plus now you know I did it). I am very competitive; I hate losing even if it’s go fish with a girlfriend (I will be a terrible father I will never let my kids win). Since eating slower and not getting seconds was a struggle at first. The game I created was to be the last one done eating, and the last one to get seconds. This helped me in many ways, first to help me eat slower I talked with people, this helped to repair the relationships I had damaged in the past, plus I was not over eating (win/win). Which is why I was last to get seconds, so often I would eat so quick that my stomach didn’t even know it was fed until I was already 4-5 plates of heaping food deep.

    Make that eight, workout for fun! For so long in this process I trained for results no I do not mean goals; I simply worked out to look good that’s it! It was the complete wrong direction, it made training no fun, I dreaded every gym session, and was having a miserable time. It doesn’t matter if you are into bodybuilding, figure, physique, cross fit, powerlifting, strongman, marathons, etc. just train for fun, train to get better and challenge yourself. For me this was powerlifting.

    Thank-you for all that, there is alot of information in there that many people are going to find quite helpful!...I might not have been clear in my post, I still have the desire to binge, but don't do it often, and if I'm getting derailed, it's usually a one day thing. I've lost 80 lbs so far, and am in maintenance now for the last six months. This happened pretty much doing the things you've advised, plus and minus a couple things...body image and self confidence are something i believe some of us will struggle with forever, I have great days, and I have not so great days....but those are becoming fewer and further between. Good luck to you with your journey!
  • jahillegas_51
    jahillegas_51 Posts: 143 Member
    Stress...cravings....desire to binge every month, like clockwork....

    Not sure of your story for why you binge, but here are some starter tips:) I am happy to field some Q&A with you to help you find your comeback:))

    First, admit there was a problem. For three going on four years, I blamed externals, my drive, and my dreams for my actions. Ignoring people in my life hinting at me that I may have a problem, including family, close friends, and girlfriend. I lied to myself, rationalizing it with the mask of a cheat meal. As the punishment for binging increased so did the amount of times I binged. At first once a week, then every couple days, every other, until it consumed my thoughts. At times I would drive to Walmart just to eat it all before coming home. Chances are if you are reading this it is because you are looking for help. Good for you, you are lightyears ahead of where I was!

    Second, I learned to love myself for me, as a matter of fact I am still learning how to do this. Today, the emulated physique is seen as happiness. It is published on social media, magazines, and posters as the symbol of happiness. I believed it, I chased it and chased it. I had it for some time and I was still just as miserable. How you look will not make you happy! Now don’t twist those words as an excuse to just let ourselves become overweight. Chances are you will break step 1 which is lying and rationalizing it. We have to learn to accept our imperfections. We all have them and everyone tries to hide them. Here are my flaws (some I can fix, others are what they are):
    Relationships: I am aweful. I wrecked a 15 year friendship with a highschool sweetheart, I was selfish and an *kitten*. I can also be abrasive and brutal with little to no compassion. However ever since I shared this personal story, I have gotten better. Although I am by no means finished working on this.
    Skin Damage: I never wore sunscreen as a kid. Now I have moles, freckles, and scars. Some I wish weren’t there. Some girls won’t talk to me because of them. I am not “sexy” enough. They aren’t “interested”.

    Don’t let your imperfections stop you from loving yourself. You are the only you this world will ever see, embrace yourself. Perhaps the worst thing about this cycle was I hated myself, I hated my life, I did not want to look in the mirror, I thought I was a failure that I would never make it, I contemplated suicide. When I would binge, I would punish myself. Don’t do that we are human, life is meant to be enjoyed. Life is much too short to never treat yourself to what you love to eat whatever that maybe for you. Look yourself in the mirror directly into your eyes saying “I LOVE myself” at least 10 times a day, if not more. P.S. try not to smile when you say this (harder than you think).

    Thirdly, there is no such thing as good food, bad food. Placing labels on food, leads us to ban them from our intake. We say, “No, No, No, No, No…” We push for the perfect diet, once we eat this food that does not fall into this neat diet box; we throw our hands up, saying we failed so now is the time to eat everything we can. This leads to punishment. Which leads to more restrictions. This is the vicious cycle we as binge eaters face. I used to believe it myself, that there was clean food and bad food. It simply is this manifested idea. If you ask a vegan, he/she will say animal based foods are not clean. Someone who is a vegetarian will disagree, and say it is just animal products that are not clean. Then a paleo guy runs in screaming about how meat is clean, but grains aren’t. So someone has to be right? They are all wrong. Instead, adopt my grandmother’s wise old adage of “everything in moderation.” AKA IIFYM

    Fourth, going along the lines of moderation. You can eat whatever you want just not all at once. I believe I heard Layne Norton say this, I believe this, like the 11th commandment, in fact it should be an amendment to the constitution. When I first began to escape cycle, I would eat one “treat” at every meal. Nothing crazy, but it will allow you still get your “fix” but you won’t binge on it. Any action in the right direction gave me more motivation and encouragement to keep improving. The small wins kept snowballing into large victories later that slammed the door on binging. Disclaimer, it is wiser to eat this food item from a plate not from the container. Don’t test your will to fight binging if you do not have too. As the old saying goes, “work smarter, not harder.”

    Fifth, no more crazy spreadsheets and tracking of nutrients line item by line item like an accountant. I did not worry about counting calories and the works. I would instead eat (3) meals, breakfast, lunch and supper possibly a snack if I was hungry. I would eat slowly, and as I began to feel fuller I would stop eating. You may be like me and scared that you’ll get fat. Well what is our other choice? We can keep binge eating which is not working, because you wouldn’t be reading this. Or we can reach out and try something new. I need to be conscious of my eating, instead of speed eating (still struggle at times).

    Sixth, 180, 190, 160, 225, 200…what number was it going to be today I thought I as I closed my eyes scared to look down at the scale after a night of binging (these were all weights I reached during this cycle). You do not need a scale to help you. It’s about small wins, small wins, they add up trust me; I have been there too. Most people overestimate the damage of a binge. You need to eat in excess of 3500 calories over your normal intake to gain a pound of fat. It is not as bad as we create in our minds. Additionally, when we stand on the scale after a binge our body is bloated, full of food, sodium, and other goodies. This only compounds the guilt feeling.

    It is your lucky day! I said six, but here is a seventh tip. So, what about eating at restaurants and parties? Parties were my kryptonite, the amount of food that I saw and I thought I had to eat three people’s worth of everything. What helped me to win at parties was I made this a game in my head (who cares no one else knows..plus now you know I did it). I am very competitive; I hate losing even if it’s go fish with a girlfriend (I will be a terrible father I will never let my kids win). Since eating slower and not getting seconds was a struggle at first. The game I created was to be the last one done eating, and the last one to get seconds. This helped me in many ways, first to help me eat slower I talked with people, this helped to repair the relationships I had damaged in the past, plus I was not over eating (win/win). Which is why I was last to get seconds, so often I would eat so quick that my stomach didn’t even know it was fed until I was already 4-5 plates of heaping food deep.

    Make that eight, workout for fun! For so long in this process I trained for results no I do not mean goals; I simply worked out to look good that’s it! It was the complete wrong direction, it made training no fun, I dreaded every gym session, and was having a miserable time. It doesn’t matter if you are into bodybuilding, figure, physique, cross fit, powerlifting, strongman, marathons, etc. just train for fun, train to get better and challenge yourself. For me this was powerlifting.

    Thank-you for all that, there is alot of information in there that many people are going to find quite helpful!...I might not have been clear in my post, I still have the desire to binge, but don't do it often, and if I'm getting derailed, it's usually a one day thing. I've lost 80 lbs so far, and am in maintenance now for the last six months. This happened pretty much doing the things you've advised, plus and minus a couple things...body image and self confidence are something i believe some of us will struggle with forever, I have great days, and I have not so great days....but those are becoming fewer and further between. Good luck to you with your journey!

    Thank you:) Yes, those two things are something that can always be improved, but it certainly gets easier over time. Let me know if I can help you, with those intermittent binges!
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