Any success on paleo diet?
ilovefastcarstoo
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I'd like to mix things up for a little while. Anyone have success on the paleo diet?
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I kind of did the paleo diet and lost about 20 pounds. I don't eat any dairy so I didn't eat any goat cheese or that kind of stuff. I did the omni diet (it's a book I found on Amazon). It's basically paleo - from what I learned.0
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There is no reason to do Paleo. A calorie deficit, eating any foods you want will cause weight loss.0
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Any diet that restricts carbs will work if you follow it correctly. Thousands of studies throughout medical history prove this.
Any diet that keeps you under or near your BMR/TDEE will also work, with the added benefit of being able to eat what you like.
If the paleo diet is something you can follow without getting bored, then there is no reason why you shouldn't do it and have it be a complete success.
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Wanting to mix things up - good reason.
Thinking restricting food groups is necessary for weight loss - bad reason.2 -
kommodevaran wrote: »Wanting to mix things up - good reason.
Thinking restricting food groups is necessary for weight loss - bad reason.
Nothing is necessary for weight loss except discipline to not overeat. Not everyone has that discipline.
Science is very much at odds with your second statement, as it's proven that carbs make people fat. There is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate. The reasoning to restrict that particular group of foods isn't bad at all - scientifically it is 100% correct.
The problem with diets in general is that people become bored with limiting food choices. That's why many of them fail, carb limiting diets (like Atkins) included.
Cico works because you're pooling everything into a single number and staying under it. But people will still be hungry while trying to stick to that number, which means it will ultimately fail people. It's a diet like any other, and just because it's the most flexible, it doesn't mean it's best for everyone.
Low carb diets by comparison, you feel full all the time - but there's only so many times you can eat eggs and bacon, burgers without buns and steak without that beloved baked potato before you really start wishing you could get some variety up in this joint.
Obesity isn't a problem we can solve with a one-size-fits-all mentality.
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Any diet that restricts carbs will work if you follow it correctly. Thousands of studies throughout medical history prove this.
Not true. If I were to eat 5000 calories of fat and protein a day, for example, and no carbs, it would not work.
Paleo diets work if energy use exceeds calorie intake. The imaginary eating like a caveman part has nothing to do with it.4 -
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alanlmarshall wrote: »
Not true. If I were to eat 5000 calories of fat and protein a day, for example, and no carbs, it would not work.
Paleo diets work if energy use exceeds calorie intake. The imaginary eating like a caveman part has nothing to do with it.
How do you know it won't work? 5000 cals is a lot of food, particularly when it's all fat and protein.
But have any studies been done to prove that it won't work? Or are you guessing?0 -
I tried it for a while a few years ago and I did lose some weight but it felt very restrictive. There was A LOT of cooking required and it was quite expensive to buy all meat. For me personally, it was too hard to stick to long term. I found it hard to get enough carbs without grains and would feel faint during workouts, almost passing out at times. I personally did not enjoy eating so much meat and I missed dairy and cheese too much. I did find a lot of great paleo recipes that I still use today, especially from Melissa Joulwan Well Fed cookbooks. But I now enjoy grains, dairy, peanut butter and still lose weight with CICO.1
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alanlmarshall wrote: »
Not true. If I were to eat 5000 calories of fat and protein a day, for example, and no carbs, it would not work.
Paleo diets work if energy use exceeds calorie intake. The imaginary eating like a caveman part has nothing to do with it.
How do you know it won't work? 5000 cals is a lot of food, particularly when it's all fat and protein.
But have any studies been done to prove that it won't work? Or are you guessing?
Am I guessing that a 5000c a die diet won't result in weight loss? No, it's an incontrovertible fact.1 -
alanlmarshall wrote: »
Not true. If I were to eat 5000 calories of fat and protein a day, for example, and no carbs, it would not work.
Paleo diets work if energy use exceeds calorie intake. The imaginary eating like a caveman part has nothing to do with it.
How do you know it won't work? 5000 cals is a lot of food, particularly when it's all fat and protein.
But have any studies been done to prove that it won't work? Or are you guessing?
@karl317
I'm a physicist and can tell you that the law of conservation of energy is one of the most valued principles in science. If I put in a system 5000 calories (calorie is a unit of energy) and then the system uses 2000 calories of this energy I can tell you for sure that the rest 3000 calories will not disappear. And, no, I'm not just guessing
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gebeziseva wrote: »@karl317
I'm a physicist and can tell you that the law of conservation of energy is one of the most valued principles in science. If I put in a system 5000 calories (calorie is a unit of energy) and then the system uses 2000 calories of this energy I can tell you for sure that the rest 3000 calories will not disappear. And, no, I'm not just guessing
If you're talking about the first law of thermodynamics, then I would have to say it doesn't translate well into human dieting studies based on everything I have read - but this is the big problem with humans in general anyway. We try to oversimplify everything when the problem is honestly not that simple. Then again, i'm no physicist
"Good Calories, Bad Calories" (or the more simplified "Why we get fat") by Gary Taubes
"The Omnivore's Dilemma" and "In Defense of Food" by Michael Pollan
Anyone interested in the topic of obesity should seriously read these books. My personal favorite is "Why we get fat" by Taubes, because it's a book I can give to someone who isn't much of a reader and they'll still likely get through it and hopefully be smarter for it. You might find it interesting as it dedicates a couple of chapters to the laws of thermodynamics and energy conservation, something that clearly might interest you.
These books are *very* well researched, and very poignantly explain why the solutions to the obesity problem are almost always oversimplified - not necessarily WRONG, just oversimplified. They are sometimes at odds with each other, but anyone who takes the time to read them will certainly come to understand just how big of a problem we humans face with something as critical as our diets.
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alanlmarshall wrote: »Am I guessing that a 5000c a die diet won't result in weight loss? No, it's an incontrovertible fact.
"Citation needed"
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Taubes is a quack. If your "research" comes from him, you should do more research.4
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alanlmarshall wrote: »Am I guessing that a 5000c a die diet won't result in weight loss? No, it's an incontrovertible fact.
"Citation needed"
http://www.fda.gov/forconsumers/consumerupdates/ucm341344.htm1 -
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gebeziseva wrote: »@karl317
I'm a physicist and can tell you that the law of conservation of energy is one of the most valued principles in science. If I put in a system 5000 calories (calorie is a unit of energy) and then the system uses 2000 calories of this energy I can tell you for sure that the rest 3000 calories will not disappear. And, no, I'm not just guessing
If you're talking about the first law of thermodynamics, then I would have to say it doesn't translate well into human dieting studies based on everything I have read - but this is the big problem with humans in general anyway. We try to oversimplify everything when the problem is honestly not that simple. Then again, i'm no physicist
"Good Calories, Bad Calories" (or the more simplified "Why we get fat") by Gary Taubes
"The Omnivore's Dilemma" and "In Defense of Food" by Michael Pollan
Anyone interested in the topic of obesity should seriously read these books. My personal favorite is "Why we get fat" by Taubes, because it's a book I can give to someone who isn't much of a reader and they'll still likely get through it and hopefully be smarter for it. You might find it interesting as it dedicates a couple of chapters to the laws of thermodynamics and energy conservation, something that clearly might interest you.
These books are *very* well researched, and very poignantly explain why the solutions to the obesity problem are almost always oversimplified - not necessarily WRONG, just oversimplified. They are sometimes at odds with each other, but anyone who takes the time to read them will certainly come to understand just how big of a problem we humans face with something as critical as our diets.
Why don't you eat 5000c/day without carbs for a month and report back to us. Prove us wrong.5 -
alanlmarshall wrote: »Any diet that restricts carbs will work if you follow it correctly. Thousands of studies throughout medical history prove this.
Not true. If I were to eat 5000 calories of fat and protein a day, for example, and no carbs, it would not work.
Paleo diets work if energy use exceeds calorie intake. The imaginary eating like a caveman part has nothing to do with it.
How much do you weigh? I really, really want to see you try to eat 5000 calories from only fat and protein for more than one day in a row. I'm extremely serious and will reimburse you your grocery money via paypal if you provide legit data about it, including analysis of your stool before, during and after.
I'm not saying you COULDN"T gain weight if you ate 5000 calories per day, I'm saying no man can eat 50 eggs two days in a row.0 -
ilovefastcarstoo wrote: »I'd like to mix things up for a little while. Anyone have success on the paleo diet?
I know those with success and I know those without success.
YOu can gain weight on any "diet" esp if that diet doesn't have you in a deficit and paleo isn't a guarantee for a deficit.
It is very easy to overeat on calories doing paleo because of the extra fat (9 calorie a gram) and proteins (4 calories a gram) and because those foods are nom nom too.0 -
alanlmarshall wrote: »
Not true. If I were to eat 5000 calories of fat and protein a day, for example, and no carbs, it would not work.
Paleo diets work if energy use exceeds calorie intake. The imaginary eating like a caveman part has nothing to do with it.
How do you know it won't work? 5000 cals is a lot of food, particularly when it's all fat and protein.
But have any studies been done to prove that it won't work? Or are you guessing?
Here's an article written by someone who gained weight doing paleo, and got to his goal when he started eating carbs again:
https://biolayne.com/articles/nutrition/paleo-made-fat-pop-tarts-got-shredded/
Carbs do not cause weight gain. Excess calories (from any kind of food) do.0 -
alanlmarshall wrote: »
Why don't you eat 5000c/day without carbs for a month and report back to us. Prove us wrong.
There's no good reason to counter your absurdity with an act that is equally absurd.
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kaylajane11 wrote: »
Carbs do not cause weight gain. Excess calories (from any kind of food) do.
Those statements are both half truths, as has been proven over and over again by science. At least based on the extensive reading I've done on my own.
Once again, we are human, and love to boil everything down to simple, easily digested facts that usually wind up as tomorrow's new fad diet. The truth is more complicated, and you find that out once you do enough reading on the subject.
Find a Stanford nutritionist who took the time to get his or her PhD in these sciences. Ask them if it's as simple as everyone in here claims it is.
Now, instead of outrightly dismissing him or her, try listening instead. Our better yet, read a few books on the subject. Get more than one opinion.0 -
kaylajane11 wrote: »
Carbs do not cause weight gain. Excess calories (from any kind of food) do.
Those statements are both half truths, as has been proven over and over again by science. At least based on the extensive reading I've done on my own.
Once again, we are human, and love to boil everything down to simple, easily digested facts that usually wind up as tomorrow's new fad diet. The truth is more complicated, and you find that out once you do enough reading on the subject.
Find a Stanford nutritionist who took the time to get his or her PhD in these sciences. Ask them if it's as simple as everyone in here claims it is.
Now, instead of outrightly dismissing him or her, try listening instead. Our better yet, read a few books on the subject. Get more than one opinion.
no they aren't...
Carbs on their own do not cause weight gain unless eaten in excess of maintenance....just like any other calorie eaten.
What you are suggesting is already a "diet" or the basis of a lot of current "fad diets" like paleo etc.
Truth is not complicated...
and just cause you read it on the internet doesn't make it true.
If you could please supply the links to the peer reviewed studies from this standford nutritionist...but I prefer studies done by Registered dieticians...nutritionisht don't have hardly any education...cripes I can get a certificate in nutrition off the internet...0 -
kaylajane11 wrote: »
Carbs do not cause weight gain. Excess calories (from any kind of food) do.
Those statements are both half truths, as has been proven over and over again by science. At least based on the extensive reading I've done on my own.
Once again, we are human, and love to boil everything down to simple, easily digested facts that usually wind up as tomorrow's new fad diet. The truth is more complicated, and you find that out once you do enough reading on the subject.
Find a Stanford nutritionist who took the time to get his or her PhD in these sciences. Ask them if it's as simple as everyone in here claims it is.
Now, instead of outrightly dismissing him or her, try listening instead. Our better yet, read a few books on the subject. Get more than one opinion.
You should probably understand your audience and know who you are talking to before being condescending. Here is a hint for you. You aren't the only person who has done extensive reading and research. I can assure you of that.
The fact is excess calories make you gain weight, not carbs. And if you believe excess carbs make you fat, define excess for me.0 -
kaylajane11 wrote: »
Carbs do not cause weight gain. Excess calories (from any kind of food) do.
Those statements are both half truths, as has been proven over and over again by science. At least based on the extensive reading I've done on my own.
Once again, we are human, and love to boil everything down to simple, easily digested facts that usually wind up as tomorrow's new fad diet. The truth is more complicated, and you find that out once you do enough reading on the subject.
Find a Stanford nutritionist who took the time to get his or her PhD in these sciences. Ask them if it's as simple as everyone in here claims it is.
Now, instead of outrightly dismissing him or her, try listening instead. Our better yet, read a few books on the subject. Get more than one opinion.
no they aren't...
Carbs on their own do not cause weight gain unless eaten in excess of maintenance....just like any other calorie eaten.
What you are suggesting is already a "diet" or the basis of a lot of current "fad diets" like paleo etc.
Truth is not complicated...
and just cause you read it on the internet doesn't make it true.
If you could please supply the links to the peer reviewed studies from this standford nutritionist...but I prefer studies done by Registered dieticians...nutritionisht don't have hardly any education...cripes I can get a certificate in nutrition off the internet...
I just saw something this morning about a woman who got her dog certified as a nutritionist to show how easy it is to do.2 -
If you could please supply the links to the peer reviewed studies from this standford nutritionist...but I prefer studies done by Registered dieticians...nutritionisht don't have hardly any education...cripes I can get a certificate in nutrition off the internet...
You're clearly not reading my posts, so what's the point of citing more sources you won't read?
Go back and re-read my replies in this thread. There are 4 books that cover this problem in gory detail that I have read thus far, and they cite an amazing amount of sources. I listed them all for you and everyone else in here already. There are several more, and would be glad to provide you with titles and authors, but again - what's the point when you won't read them.0 -
alanlmarshall wrote: »
Why don't you eat 5000c/day without carbs for a month and report back to us. Prove us wrong.
There's no good reason to counter your absurdity with an act that is equally absurd.
So, you're unwilling to put your money where your mouth is. Case closed. Also, science. Like, 18th Century science.1 -
Why not post the sources? That's all she is asking for while you are trying to sell books.0
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If you could please supply the links to the peer reviewed studies from this standford nutritionist...but I prefer studies done by Registered dieticians...nutritionisht don't have hardly any education...cripes I can get a certificate in nutrition off the internet...
You're clearly not reading my posts, so what's the point of citing more sources you won't read?
Go back and re-read my replies in this thread. There are 4 books that cover this problem in gory detail that I have read thus far, and they cite an amazing amount of sources. I listed them all for you and everyone else in here already. There are several more, and would be glad to provide you with titles and authors, but again - what's the point when you won't read them.
you have only given the name of two books...one by a dubious author who isn't in the medical field and the other is a prof of journalism???? you call those sources...wow.1
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