Should I eat gained calories?

thomasewards
thomasewards Posts: 23 Member
edited December 2 in Getting Started
Hi,

I´m suppose to eat 2080 cal a day to loose weight in a slow and healthy manner.
Thing is, I commute with my bike every day, gaining an extra 1300...isch cal via Endomondo.

Am I suppose to eat all excessive cal?
It make sense as that would keep me +- zero in my weight loss, on the other hand eating 1300...isch
of food extra it quite hefty, not really sure how to think an need an extra set of brain or two :-)

Thanks
Thomas Ewards
Sweden

Replies

  • VeryKatie
    VeryKatie Posts: 5,961 Member
    edited July 2016
    How long is your commute? Distance/time. And what are your stats (height, weight, gender, age).

    I am asking since the 1300 calories seems really high for a bike ride to me.
  • thomasewards
    thomasewards Posts: 23 Member
    I weigh 220 pounds, 5,8 ft long, male, 47 years old.
    I commute 23 miles daily, takes about 44-46 minutes one way (11,5 miles)
    Average speed is between 14.3-16,2 mph with an average hart beat of 136

    I was healthy and active (road bike) prior to summer 2013 when i got pulmonary lung embolism and after a looong recovery
    I´m back in the saddle again but now need to be more careful, I can´t afford to be sloppy in my attitude.
    Therefor I feel it´s needed to know.

    I have used WW before but I don´t find it optimal for my needs.
  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    Set your cals to active to cover your commute, see how that affects your weight loss
  • RoxieDawn
    RoxieDawn Posts: 15,488 Member
    edited July 2016
    OP, that 1300 calorie burn does seem high to me. You should create energy balance which is your daily calories to loose weight plus exercise calories to NET calories at the end of the day.

    IMHO, I would take 40 or 50% of that to start with, and if you loose too quickly then you should eat more back. MFP is designed for you to eat your exercise calories back (a portion thereof).

    Compared to what you were eating before MFP, how much of this were you eating in your daily intake?
  • thomasewards
    thomasewards Posts: 23 Member
    @Tavistocktoad, But that would be miss leading, would it note? I sit on my *kitten* all day long, doing just about nothing but typing my keyboard, the "only" exercise I do is my commuting
  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
    @Tavistocktoad, But that would be miss leading, would it note? I sit on my *kitten* all day long, doing just about nothing but typing my keyboard, the "only" exercise I do is my commuting

    Ok, log it as exercise and see what that does to the scales eating them back...
  • abitofbliss
    abitofbliss Posts: 198 Member
    Similar story, I eat between 1200 - 1500 calories a day and I ride my bike to work 10 miles each way. MFP says I burn 940 calories, the below link gave me 987. I do not eat these calories back. I am not weak or hungry at the end of the day. I'm continuing to lose weight without any issues.

    http://keisan.casio.com/exec/system/1350958587
  • thomasewards
    thomasewards Posts: 23 Member
    @RoxieDawn, thanks!
    Well, during my sick period i have been eating both healthy and garbage but very undisciplined.
    My craving is white bread och and tons of milk and specially late nite sandwich orgies
    Amount? probably double up to what I eat now in cal

    The only reason I got away prior to my sick period was the amount of training i did.

    This time I only fill my fridge with organic and ecologic food, my body like that.

    Not sure, hope I answered Your question?
  • thomasewards
    thomasewards Posts: 23 Member
    BTW, it´s late evening in Sweden and my pillow is whispering my name, hence You wonder why I don´t reply in a while.
    Thanks for Your answers so far :-)
  • RoxieDawn
    RoxieDawn Posts: 15,488 Member
    edited July 2016
    @RoxieDawn, thanks!
    Well, during my sick period i have been eating both healthy and garbage but very undisciplined.
    My craving is white bread och and tons of milk and specially late nite sandwich orgies
    Amount? probably double up to what I eat now in cal

    The only reason I got away prior to my sick period was the amount of training i did.

    This time I only fill my fridge with organic and ecologic food, my body like that.

    Not sure, hope I answered Your question?

    If you were eating double calories, what was that approximate number? So give us the before calories and your now calories???
  • RoxieDawn
    RoxieDawn Posts: 15,488 Member
    edited July 2016
    @Tavistocktoad, But that would be miss leading, would it note? I sit on my *kitten* all day long, doing just about nothing but typing my keyboard, the "only" exercise I do is my commuting

    THis is still exercise. You would put in MFP, sedentary and it will give you min calories to eat, and expects you to eat some of the exercise. Do you by chance know what your TDEE is on any given day (this includes everything you do in days time including the commuting to work on your bike, performing your work tasks, and everything else you do in the day)

    You need to create NET calories at the end of the day. This is calories you consume - exercise = NET GOAL.



  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,809 Member
    As a fellow cyclist I do wonder if your Endomondo estimate is on the high side.
    I'm 45lbs lighter but would be surprised if I got more than 700 cals for that distance.
    Maybe try Strava for comparison? May not be any more accurate of course (I find it estimates low for me).

    I'm definitely in favour of eating back exercise calories to achieve a steady and sustainable deficit and to fuel your exercise properly. Plus when you think ahead to maintenance at goal weight you are going to have to take exercise into account.

    In the end you will need consistency over a period of weeks and then make adjustments based on results - everything is an estimate, calories eaten, exercise, activity and your RMR.
  • NorthCascades
    NorthCascades Posts: 10,968 Member
    I weigh 220 pounds, 5,8 ft long, male, 47 years old.
    I commute 23 miles daily, takes about 44-46 minutes one way (11,5 miles)
    Average speed is between 14.3-16,2 mph with an average hart beat of 136

    Can you tell us how hilly your route is, how much total elevation gain this involves?

    You're maintaining a fast pace which burns more calories than a slow one. But if you're spending 90 minutes doing this I think 1,300 cals is more than you're really burning. I'd guess about 800 for the round trip. I'm a fellow cyclist and about your weight.

    I do think you should eat back the calories you burn with exercise, mostly in carbs and protein.
  • thomasewards
    thomasewards Posts: 23 Member
    If you were eating double calories, what was that approximate number? So give us the before calories and your now calories???

    My before calories is a rough estimate as I didn't count them, I did however made a computation from an average day in Myfitnesspal and that resulted in...that I stopped after 5300 calories.... Say anything between 5000-6000 calories a day would be a fare estimate.

    Below You see my current net cal, cal and cal burn for the past days.

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    It´s the Cal / Net cal that confuses me.

    Based on my weight, age, weight goal (187 lbs) and daily non training based activity I´m recommended to eat
    2080 cal
  • thomasewards
    thomasewards Posts: 23 Member
    edited July 2016
    Can you tell us how hilly your route is, how much total elevation gain this involves?

    You're maintaining a fast pace which burns more calories than a slow one. But if you're spending 90 minutes doing this I think 1,300 cals is more than you're really burning. I'd guess about 800 for the round trip. I'm a fellow cyclist and about your weight.

    I do think you should eat back the calories you burn with exercise, mostly in carbs and protein.

    My trip don´t elevate much at all, Endomondo is inconsistent in it´s result and it differ to much. I do have a GPS clock that I today don't use, I´ll see next week what the clock tell me but it´s a small factor.

    I peak about 165 bpm and average, give or take a fem, 135 bpm.
    I try to keep my cadence at around 80 to keep a steady pace

    My resting/sitting bpm is, and has been for some years, a bit high due to hyperthyroidism and it differ between 85-100 ( i´m on medication)
  • thomasewards
    thomasewards Posts: 23 Member
    sijomial wrote: »
    As a fellow cyclist I do wonder if your Endomondo estimate is on the high side.
    I'm 45lbs lighter but would be surprised if I got more than 700 cals for that distance.
    Maybe try Strava for comparison? May not be any more accurate of course (I find it estimates low for me).

    I'm definitely in favour of eating back exercise calories to achieve a steady and sustainable deficit and to fuel your exercise properly. Plus when you think ahead to maintenance at goal weight you are going to have to take exercise into account.

    In the end you will need consistency over a period of weeks and then make adjustments based on results - everything is an estimate, calories eaten, exercise, activity and your RMR.

    True that, the more data I collect compared to what the scale says the more I can tweak my goal and adjust my settings.
    What I do have found out is that I need to add just about all food in metrics as just about all data is is either Oz ore rounded upp to every 100 grams. If I´m suppose to do this right I need to go scientific :-)
  • Falcon
    Falcon Posts: 853 Member
    If you start dropping more then 2 pounds a week. I would highly suggest increasing your cals by 600 to 800 min and increase/decrease as needed. See what works for you. Experiment. Each person is different. But I wouldn't eat anything below the minimum requirement or you would be in trouble. Don't be afraid to eat back your exercise cals. You want to do this the right way. Slow and steady.
  • thomasewards
    thomasewards Posts: 23 Member
    RoxieDawn wrote: »
    @Tavistocktoad, But that would be miss leading, would it note? I sit on my *kitten* all day long, doing just about nothing but typing my keyboard, the "only" exercise I do is my commuting

    THis is still exercise. You would put in MFP, sedentary and it will give you min calories to eat, and expects you to eat some of the exercise. Do you by chance know what your TDEE is on any given day (this includes everything you do in days time including the commuting to work on your bike, performing your work tasks, and everything else you do in the day)

    You need to create NET calories at the end of the day. This is calories you consume - exercise = NET GOAL.



    Did my stats answer the TDEE question?
    This is new to me, all the English terms are new to me and I need to have them translates in to metrics.
    Have patience :-)
  • thomasewards
    thomasewards Posts: 23 Member
    Similar story, I eat between 1200 - 1500 calories a day and I ride my bike to work 10 miles each way. MFP says I burn 940 calories, the below link gave me 987. I do not eat these calories back. I am not weak or hungry at the end of the day. I'm continuing to lose weight without any issues.

    http://keisan.casio.com/exec/system/1350958587

    Interesting!
    The result I was given is almost down to the calorie similar to both what Endomondo state in burned calories and what MFP recommend in average intake (minus exercise)
    Hmm, what to make of that? ;)
  • thomasewards
    thomasewards Posts: 23 Member
    For anyone who's interested in my actual route, here is a clip I made two days ago.
    My own music as well....how nerdy :D
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=Qwe9xn4e2pU
  • SlimDownBulkUp
    SlimDownBulkUp Posts: 2 Member
    Generally, MFP will overestimate how many calories are being burned, so if you do eat calories back, maybe only eat back half or a third? But really if you're not hungry at the end of the day, don't bother with your exercise calories.
  • thomasewards
    thomasewards Posts: 23 Member
    Generally, MFP will overestimate how many calories are being burned, so if you do eat calories back, maybe only eat back half or a third? But really if you're not hungry at the end of the day, don't bother with your exercise calories.

    In this case the data is imported from Endomondo but You have a good point, no need to eat if I'm not hungry and otherwise feel fine
  • ItsyBitsy246
    ItsyBitsy246 Posts: 307 Member
    edited July 2016
    For anyone who's interested in my actual route, here is a clip I made two days ago.
    My own music as well....how nerdy :D
    https://youtube.com/watch?v=Qwe9xn4e2pU

    Wow!! What a gorgeous commute!! I thought that white dog was going to be the end of it though. :) Lovely scenery. What was that large body of water on your right?

    I've got about twelve, often hilly, miles to work but about 2/3 is dedicated trails like this. This has inspired me to get biking. Thanks for the vid. Like the music too.
  • thomasewards
    thomasewards Posts: 23 Member
    Wow!! What a gorgeous commute!! I thought that white dog was going to be the end of it though. :) Lovely scenery. What was that large body of water on your right?

    I've got about twelve, often hilly, miles to work but about 2/3 is dedicated trails like this. This has inspired me to get biking. Thanks for the vid. Like the music too.

    Just about where the dog wandered out, I often get stunned and filled with Joy and happiness when I heading home and see the ocean again, I' truly blessed in that sense :-)
    I live on the west coast of Sweden, it's not directly famous for it´s sunny weather but every now and then Mother Earth give us our share. Like now, it's now 5 PM and we have 82 F (28 C)...one cannot complaint :-)

    The sea You see is called Skagerrak, it's the part of the North Sea that´s east of Denmark and Swedens West Coast.
    I have pasted a map just to get You a ide on where we are. My route is on the left south of Gothenburg, the other two land masses You see is Norway and Denmark, we are close to one another :-)

    I manage excellent without hills, at least when I´m commuting ;) . When i further down the road pick up road biking seriously again I have a route where I get all the hills I want...and not want :-)

    Good luck with Your cykling and thank's for Your post, made me happy :-)
  • thomasewards
    thomasewards Posts: 23 Member
    Falcon wrote: »
    If you start dropping more then 2 pounds a week. I would highly suggest increasing your cals by 600 to 800 min and increase/decrease as needed. See what works for you. Experiment. Each person is different. But I wouldn't eat anything below the minimum requirement or you would be in trouble. Don't be afraid to eat back your exercise cals. You want to do this the right way. Slow and steady.

    Wise words, thanks!
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