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Is it possible to bulk and lose fat at the same time

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robs_ready
robs_ready Posts: 1,488 Member
If so, what are your tips for achieving this?
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  • TavistockToad
    TavistockToad Posts: 35,719 Member
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    No
  • RoxieDawn
    RoxieDawn Posts: 15,488 Member
    edited July 2016
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    Bulking is bulking (means eating at surplus calories with equals fat gain and muscle gain, you can determine slower fat gain by doing a "clean" bulk. The leaner you are body fat% wise the better.

    Or you can recomp (eating maintenance and/or include a very small deficit) to loose fat and build muscle. But this will take forever and a day!

    Am I missing something here (it is a little early where I live)..

    edited to add: is this a debate?
  • robs_ready
    robs_ready Posts: 1,488 Member
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    RoxieDawn wrote: »
    Bulking is bulking (means eating at surplus calories with equals fat gain and muscle gain, you can determine slower fat gain by doing a "clean" bulk. The leaner you are body fat% wise the better.

    Or you can recomp (eating maintenance and/or include a very small deficit) to loose fat and build muscle. But this will take forever and a day!

    Am I missing something here (it is a little early where I live)..

    edited to add: is this a debate?

    Thanks for this, it's not so much a debate, I was just considering my options.

    I think based on this response, I'm going to maintain my current weight training program and add some form of cardio to my training.

    I dont really want to eat less, I love my food! Thanks.
  • RoxieDawn
    RoxieDawn Posts: 15,488 Member
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    robs_ready wrote: »
    RoxieDawn wrote: »
    Bulking is bulking (means eating at surplus calories with equals fat gain and muscle gain, you can determine slower fat gain by doing a "clean" bulk. The leaner you are body fat% wise the better.

    Or you can recomp (eating maintenance and/or include a very small deficit) to loose fat and build muscle. But this will take forever and a day!

    Am I missing something here (it is a little early where I live)..

    edited to add: is this a debate?

    Thanks for this, it's not so much a debate, I was just considering my options.

    I think based on this response, I'm going to maintain my current weight training program and add some form of cardio to my training.

    I dont really want to eat less, I love my food! Thanks.

    After doing this for a while, you may find you are ready to take the next plunge in gainz (should you choose too) and do a clean bulk. It does not have to be massive in surplus calories (maybe 200 more or so)..

    Good luck. :)
  • Erik8484
    Erik8484 Posts: 458 Member
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    You can do it with "supplements".
  • RoxieDawn
    RoxieDawn Posts: 15,488 Member
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    Erik8484 wrote: »
    You can do it with "supplements".

    Not real good sound advice! :(
  • robs_ready
    robs_ready Posts: 1,488 Member
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    RoxieDawn wrote: »
    robs_ready wrote: »
    RoxieDawn wrote: »
    Bulking is bulking (means eating at surplus calories with equals fat gain and muscle gain, you can determine slower fat gain by doing a "clean" bulk. The leaner you are body fat% wise the better.

    Or you can recomp (eating maintenance and/or include a very small deficit) to loose fat and build muscle. But this will take forever and a day!

    Am I missing something here (it is a little early where I live)..

    edited to add: is this a debate?

    Thanks for this, it's not so much a debate, I was just considering my options.

    I think based on this response, I'm going to maintain my current weight training program and add some form of cardio to my training.

    I dont really want to eat less, I love my food! Thanks.

    After doing this for a while, you may find you are ready to take the next plunge in gainz (should you choose too) and do a clean bulk. It does not have to be massive in surplus calories (maybe 200 more or so)..

    Good luck. :)

    I definitely will eat cleaner next cycle, but I really wanna get down to 10-12% body fat percentage. Thank you :)
  • robs_ready
    robs_ready Posts: 1,488 Member
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    Erik8484 wrote: »
    You can do it with "supplements".

    Nah man, not for me. I don't need any of that stuff
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
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    robs_ready wrote: »
    Erik8484 wrote: »
    You can do it with "supplements".

    Nah man, not for me. I don't need any of that stuff

    Very few actually need it.

    On the other hand, no one actually needs sub 10% bodyfat either.
  • SingingSingleTracker
    SingingSingleTracker Posts: 1,866 Member
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    robs_ready wrote: »
    Erik8484 wrote: »
    You can do it with "supplements".

    Nah man, not for me. I don't need any of that stuff

    Very few actually need it.

    On the other hand, no one actually needs sub 10% bodyfat either.

    OP said "I definitely will eat cleaner next cycle, but I really wanna get down to 10-12% body fat percentage." He didn't say sub 10%.

    Not that there is anything wrong with males in the 8-10% range...

    25984311325_a9db7fa603_b.jpg

  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
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    robs_ready wrote: »
    Erik8484 wrote: »
    You can do it with "supplements".

    Nah man, not for me. I don't need any of that stuff

    Very few actually need it.

    On the other hand, no one actually needs sub 10% bodyfat either.

    OP said "I definitely will eat cleaner next cycle, but I really wanna get down to 10-12% body fat percentage." He didn't say sub 10%.

    Not that there is anything wrong with males in the 8-10% range...

    25984311325_a9db7fa603_b.jpg

    My point was that lack of need doesn't preclude desire. I just found his choice of wording to be odd.
  • robs_ready
    robs_ready Posts: 1,488 Member
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    robs_ready wrote: »
    Erik8484 wrote: »
    You can do it with "supplements".

    Nah man, not for me. I don't need any of that stuff

    Very few actually need it.

    On the other hand, no one actually needs sub 10% bodyfat either.

    OP said "I definitely will eat cleaner next cycle, but I really wanna get down to 10-12% body fat percentage." He didn't say sub 10%.

    Not that there is anything wrong with males in the 8-10% range...

    25984311325_a9db7fa603_b.jpg

    My point was that lack of need doesn't preclude desire. I just found his choice of wording to be odd.

    Why is it odd lol?
  • BodyByBex
    BodyByBex Posts: 3,685 Member
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    RoxieDawn wrote: »
    Bulking is bulking (means eating at surplus calories with equals fat gain and muscle gain, you can determine slower fat gain by doing a "clean" bulk. The leaner you are body fat% wise the better.

    Or you can recomp (eating maintenance and/or include a very small deficit) to loose fat and build muscle. But this will take forever and a day!

    Am I missing something here (it is a little early where I live)..

    edited to add: is this a debate?

    I can confirm this information. I have been at a recomp for forever.... still waiting for 'the day'. :grumble:


    I MIGHT be gearing up to take the plunge into a bulk/cut. :mrgreen:

    But I admit, I'm scared :scream:
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
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    robs_ready wrote: »
    RoxieDawn wrote: »
    robs_ready wrote: »
    RoxieDawn wrote: »
    Bulking is bulking (means eating at surplus calories with equals fat gain and muscle gain, you can determine slower fat gain by doing a "clean" bulk. The leaner you are body fat% wise the better.

    Or you can recomp (eating maintenance and/or include a very small deficit) to loose fat and build muscle. But this will take forever and a day!

    Am I missing something here (it is a little early where I live)..

    edited to add: is this a debate?

    Thanks for this, it's not so much a debate, I was just considering my options.

    I think based on this response, I'm going to maintain my current weight training program and add some form of cardio to my training.

    I dont really want to eat less, I love my food! Thanks.

    After doing this for a while, you may find you are ready to take the next plunge in gainz (should you choose too) and do a clean bulk. It does not have to be massive in surplus calories (maybe 200 more or so)..

    Good luck. :)

    I definitely will eat cleaner next cycle, but I really wanna get down to 10-12% body fat percentage. Thank you :)

    a clean bulk has nothing to do with eating "clean." what that poster meant was a small surplus of 200-250 calories so that you gain about .5 pound a week and minimize fat gains.

  • Hornsby
    Hornsby Posts: 10,322 Member
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    I will rebut and say that eating at maintenance and lifting heavy, while getting enough protein, isn't as slow as people make it out to be.
  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
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    Hornsby wrote: »
    I will rebut and say that eating at maintenance and lifting heavy, while getting enough protein, isn't as slow as people make it out to be.

    agree it is probably about the same time a bulk/cut cycle would take ...just depends on how one wants to attack it...

    the problem can be - and this is true with any method - training consistency. That has been my problem the past month because real life...
  • jmt08c
    jmt08c Posts: 343 Member
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    robs_ready wrote: »
    RoxieDawn wrote: »
    Bulking is bulking (means eating at surplus calories with equals fat gain and muscle gain, you can determine slower fat gain by doing a "clean" bulk. The leaner you are body fat% wise the better.

    Or you can recomp (eating maintenance and/or include a very small deficit) to loose fat and build muscle. But this will take forever and a day!

    Am I missing something here (it is a little early where I live)..

    edited to add: is this a debate?

    Thanks for this, it's not so much a debate, I was just considering my options.

    I think based on this response, I'm going to maintain my current weight training program and add some form of cardio to my training.

    I dont really want to eat less, I love my food! Thanks.

    I'd recommend doing HIIT cardio, not steady state. Also when you get to the point in your training when you're focusing on macros and nutrient timing play around a bit with it and test different macro %s to determine what works best for you. There is no universal best regime.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,401 MFP Moderator
    edited August 2016
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    Hornsby wrote: »
    I will rebut and say that eating at maintenance and lifting heavy, while getting enough protein, isn't as slow as people make it out to be.

    Agreed and largely depends on your training. I worked with a woman who went from 26% bf down to 18% in 18 months (started at 153 @ 26% down to 150 @ 18%). And this was all done with a 5-day a week crossfit habit.
  • sijomial
    sijomial Posts: 19,811 Member
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    RoxieDawn wrote: »
    Bulking is bulking (means eating at surplus calories with equals fat gain and muscle gain, you can determine slower fat gain by doing a "clean" bulk. The leaner you are body fat% wise the better.

    Or you can recomp (eating maintenance and/or include a very small deficit) to loose fat and build muscle. But this will take forever and a day!

    Am I missing something here (it is a little early where I live)..

    edited to add: is this a debate?
    @RoxieDawn
    Regarding the bold.... Maybe for you but not for everyone.
    OP is young and male which gives him huge advantages in terms of recomp speed and effectiveness.
  • RoxieDawn
    RoxieDawn Posts: 15,488 Member
    edited August 2016
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    sijomial wrote: »
    RoxieDawn wrote: »
    Bulking is bulking (means eating at surplus calories with equals fat gain and muscle gain, you can determine slower fat gain by doing a "clean" bulk. The leaner you are body fat% wise the better.

    Or you can recomp (eating maintenance and/or include a very small deficit) to loose fat and build muscle. But this will take forever and a day!

    Am I missing something here (it is a little early where I live)..

    edited to add: is this a debate?
    @RoxieDawn
    Regarding the bold.... Maybe for you but not for everyone.
    OP is young and male which gives him huge advantages in terms of recomp speed and effectiveness.

    Thank you for pointing out that I gave terrible advice. It is just a phrase I used .. I have to watch this in the future.