source of calories in Chinese take out ?
Trish1c
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I mistakenly thought I was being so good yesterday at lunch. I ordered chicken & mixed vegetables. Granted I ate a large serving, probably close to 2 cups, but I was astonished to have MFP come back with 800 calories! Soy sauce can't have that many calories. What gives? Where / how did I derail my meal?
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Fried in oil perhaps?1
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Did you have rice or fried rice?1
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Did this mix also have a sauce on it? Nuts?
Did you also eat rice with it?
A lot of those hidden calories could come from the oil the mix is fried in. If your meal was steamed, it is still possible that the sauce (if there was any) contained sesame or peanut oil. It's also not uncommon for Chinese sauces to contain sherry.
It is also important to note that while the soy sauce isn't particularly high calorie, it does contain a lot of sodium, which may result in water retention.2 -
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Yes I like Soy Sauce on my rice too. I noticed one day there wasn't a lot of calories but sodium count was very high.0
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Oh and I may add that I find it hard with Chinese Buffet's. Best to avoid if at all possible. You really have to guess at how much you've had for portions and it always ends up being far too many calories. But I do have family that likes to go once in a while, so it's hard not to join in on the eating. Especially with the price sometimes and I always feel I want to get my money's worth.1
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Typically oil, but do you know the count was right? Was it for your restaurant or just some generic version of the dish?0
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Any day I eat Chinese buffet I stick to the chicken, watch the amount of sauce I use, skip the fried rice and get the rice noodles instead. Figure on it being a 800-1200 calorie meal and it being very inaccurate. I simply eat light the rest of the day preceding or after and try to get back on track after that day. No need to avoid Chinese buffet if you like it, otherwise life is boring lol. When searching for Chinese menu items in MFP I generally select the ones with the most calories, and estimate what I'm eating in weight/volume. I try to be close but many restaurants aren't listed, and probably don't use a standard recipe anyway unless they are a big chain. I make up for the extra sodium by drinking tons of water that day and the next few days, and I tend to do extra workouts as well to make up for it. No need to skip the good things in life. Just pay for them if necessary.
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It wasn't a buffet. It was a plated lunch.
I had rice too but I logged that separately. I guesstimated the portion size because I couldn't really tell. It looked like 2 cups to me. I couldn't find the exact thing I was eating on MFP. So I have been holding out (false?) hope that the 800 calorie number was way over. I did pick the one with the highest calorie choice from the MFP menu.
4 oz of saute'd chicken, 2 cups of mixed vegetables & even a 1/2 cup of soy sauce only add up to less than 500 calories. There were no nuts. I assume the meal was made in a wok which I thought helped reduce the oil in food at least vs deep frying or traditional sauteing.
I'm on a 1200 calorie "diet". 1700 is my maintenance. Even eating back my exercise calories I went about 250 over which is still under maintenance so all in all it's not that bad. I was just shocked that what I thought was a good meal turned out to be soooo bad.
I continue to struggle with portion sizes when eating out. Not that I eat too much because I always only ate half of hat was on my plate when I went out but when you can't weigh / measure, who knows.
At this point though, I think we should have just gone to the local deli & had a turkey sandwich. I really thought I was being good with the veggies. Lesson learned. The sole upside -- veggies drenched in whatever (oil / sauce) still have to be a bit more nutritious then the carbs in bread, right?0 -
At this point though, I think we should have just gone to the local deli & had a turkey sandwich. I really thought I was being good with the veggies. Lesson learned. The sole upside -- veggies drenched in whatever (oil / sauce) still have to be a bit more nutritious then the carbs in bread, right?
If you're basing it on calories, not necessarily. It's kind of comparing apples and oranges, as each one has different nutrients. There isn't anything wrong with the carbs in bread.
Plus, not to nitpick on the carb thing, but didn't you mention you also had rice? (not that there is anything wrong with that, either) 0 -
I'm not nitpicking the carb thing. My point was that I thought I was helping myself by having vegetables rather than a sandwich.1
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It's one day. You normally don't go wrong with chicken and vegetables, but if it's Asian, there may be a lot of oil. So make sure you're not eating large portions.
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Everything made in a restaurant has much more fat and sugar than it would if you did it at home. It's easier (no sticking to the pans) and tastes better so that's what they do.
The rare times I get Chinese I make sure that the meat and vegetables are steamed. Then I use 1/2 cup of the rice (must also be steamed) and like 2 tbsp of the sauce, which comes on the side when you order those "dieter's specials" like I do. If they offer these all steamed, sauce on the side versions, get that and you will be able to keep the calories down with a minimum of mystery.0 -
It wasn't a buffet. It was a plated lunch.
I had rice too but I logged that separately. I guesstimated the portion size because I couldn't really tell. It looked like 2 cups to me. I couldn't find the exact thing I was eating on MFP. So I have been holding out (false?) hope that the 800 calorie number was way over. I did pick the one with the highest calorie choice from the MFP menu.
It could be. There's going to be huge variation.0 -
Everything made in a restaurant has much more fat and sugar than it would if you did it at home. It's easier (no sticking to the pans) and tastes better so that's what they do.
The rare times I get Chinese I make sure that the meat and vegetables are steamed. Then I use 1/2 cup of the rice (must also be steamed) and like 2 tbsp of the sauce, which comes on the side when you order those "dieter's specials" like I do. If they offer these all steamed, sauce on the side versions, get that and you will be able to keep the calories down with a minimum of mystery.
That's what I do too - plain steamed protein and vegetables. I usually just save the rice for my family, and if we get delivery, I make my own peanut sauce with peanut flour.0 -
Beyond soy sauce, you'll find things like straight up oil, chili oil, honey/sugar, vinegars, oyster sauce, dried peppers, corn starch, sesame oil/seeds, etc., some of which are definitely high in calories. (And delicious!) At a takeout place near home, I've seen them just ladle in peanut oil to start, so probably 1/4-1/2 a cup of oil to build a dish. That pretty sheen/glazed look on the sauce coating the food is usually indicative of a decent amount of oil.
My at-home, 'lightened' versions usually contain about 1-2 tablespoons of oil + some of the other ingredients, and generally have many fewer calories. They never quite taste as good though, so I make some room for the real deal every once in a while.
Also, chicken, shrimp, and beef in a number of takeout recipes are often fried to start. Some are full-on breaded and fried, then added to sauce. Others are coated in corn starch then fried to make them a little crisp and to thicken the sauce.0 -
Chinese food is pretty greasy and calorie dense. I apologise on behalf of my people0
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sounds like you just picked some generic entry from the database so the true calories could be more or could be less.
a lot of chinese food is cooked in oil...oils have a lot of calories...sauces often have a lot of calories as well...but really, who knows here...you're just taking a shot in the dark with a generic entry and guestimate of your actual serving.0 -
Rice, batter, and deep fried meat. Try to avoid foods that have heavy, sweet sauces and where the meat is coated in batter or cornstarch and then fried. Lemon chicken, general tso chicken, etc... A favorite of mine is broccoli beef, as the beef tends to be just stir fried and not coated in anything.0
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The problem with Chinese food is that even the chicken and veggies are sautéed in that oil they use in their pans. Soy sauce doesn't really have any calories, but the sauce they use on their dishes is called "brown sauce" or something like that. It's a mix of teriyaki, soy, and butter. To be honest when I go for Chinese I order a small white rice and an order of chicken on a stick. I eat about a cup of the white rice with soy sauce on it (which is about 214 calories for the cup) and about two of the chickens (which is about 250 calories). Not great, but certainly doesn't destroy my day....0
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To be fair though that 800 cal is no better than just guessing if you typed in "stir fry chicken and vegetables," got a generic entry someone submitted to the database based on who knows what, and also used an estimated, volume-based measurement (2 cups) to decide how much you had. Either way I'm sure the MFP entry is based on the assumed cooking oil usage. The problem is there's really no way to tell if that is way over, right on, or even under what you actually ate.
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