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180lbs aiming for 200lbs - advice?

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Ectomorph leaning body type, 6'2 in height. Current diet: 3480 calories per day.
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  • pinggolfer96
    pinggolfer96 Posts: 2,248 Member
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    Advice: you're not an ecto, you're an undereater. Eat more or move less. Get on a optimal strength program that has been proven to work and had structure. Sleep, eat more, lift right and repeat.
  • Mahdi707
    Mahdi707 Posts: 3 Member
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    Add about 500 more calories, you should be OK. Just gained about 9 pounds in 2 weeks.
  • brizzlar
    brizzlar Posts: 86 Member
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    Thanks for the advice Pinggolfer. How did you determine that I'm not an ectomorph?
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,413 MFP Moderator
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    brizzlar wrote: »
    Thanks for the advice Pinggolfer. How did you determine that I'm not an ectomorph?

    Because it's a fitness myth. Somatotypes are not a thing. You might find the below beneficial for high calorie items to eat. Also, if you want muscle gain, then you should be following a structured lifting program


    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10326769/are-you-a-hard-gainer-please-read#latest

    http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10332083/which-lifting-program-is-the-best-for-you#latest
  • ROBOTFOOD
    ROBOTFOOD Posts: 5,527 Member
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    I hit 200 last yr during a big powerlifting cycle. Hurt RC, lost most of my mass. Started up again a couple weeks ago. Currently 160lb eating 5500-6000 per day. It's alot of food, but it works. I tend to stay fairly lean, so no worries of fat gains. As for what i eat, really anything. Steak, chicken, seafood, Fast food, ice cream, gainer shakes, PB, nuttela, choc milk. Legit 6k cals. I have tracked it before.
  • pinggolfer96
    pinggolfer96 Posts: 2,248 Member
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    brizzlar wrote: »
    Thanks for the advice Pinggolfer. How did you determine that I'm not an ectomorph?

    Ectomorph= excuse for under eating or improper training or both
  • brasda91
    brasda91 Posts: 17 Member
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    Ectomorph body type = slim boned, long limbed, lithe and have very little body fat and little muscle.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,413 MFP Moderator
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    brasda91 wrote: »
    Ectomorph body type = slim boned, long limbed, lithe and have very little body fat and little muscle.

    Ectomorph = not a real thing.
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
    edited September 2016
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    brasda91 wrote: »
    Ectomorph body type = slim boned, long limbed, lithe and have very little body fat and little muscle.

    Somatotypes are a myth. They were made up by a psychologist and have nothing to do with strength training or muscle gain.

    OP, read the links provided by psulemon above. Here are a couple of very detailed articles from a highly respected trainer who knows what he's talking about:

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/general-philosophies-of-muscle-mass-gain.html/

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/muscle-gain/muscle-gain-mistakes.html/
  • pbryd
    pbryd Posts: 364 Member
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    People are genetically different.

    Some people have a narrow shoulders
    Some people have wide shoulders
    Some people have a low amount of natural muscle
    Some people have a high amount of natural muscle

    The term ectomorph is a perfectly apt term to describe someone lean and slim.
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
    edited September 2016
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    pbryd wrote: »
    People are genetically different.

    Some people have a narrow shoulders
    Some people have wide shoulders
    Some people have a low amount of natural muscle
    Some people have a high amount of natural muscle

    The term ectomorph is a perfectly apt term to describe someone lean and slim.
    All except the part that somatotypes aren't a real thing.

    I could make up an imaginary term and call them zlygfusts, and then zlygfust would be a perfectly apt term to describe them too - except it would be a made up term that didn't mean anything, just like ectomorph.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
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    To me the problem comes when people start to use the terminology to dictate dietary strategy as though someone's general shape or structure has a significant influence on the tactics they should use in order to get to their goals.

    Additionally, the amount of body-fat one carries could drastically skew what "type" they identify with. Think of a contest bodybuilder in stage condition vs at the end of the offseason.

    But mainly what I'm getting at here is that if an ectomorph at 11% bodyfat wants to bulk, they do the exact same thing that an endomorph or mesomorph would at that bodyfat level. They eat in a controlled surplus and train on a progressively demanding program with adequate volume.

    They don't say "hey I'm an ectomorph, I think I'll YOLO and gain 3lbs/week"

    At least, they shouldn't.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
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    Mahdi707 wrote: »
    Add about 500 more calories, you should be OK. Just gained about 9 pounds in 2 weeks.

    I'd be curious why anyone would want to gain this fast? Are you trying to make it to a certain weight for a competition?
  • ItsyBitsy246
    ItsyBitsy246 Posts: 307 Member
    edited September 2016
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    AnvilHead wrote: »
    pbryd wrote: »
    People are genetically different.

    Some people have a narrow shoulders
    Some people have wide shoulders
    Some people have a low amount of natural muscle
    Some people have a high amount of natural muscle

    The term ectomorph is a perfectly apt term to describe someone lean and slim.
    All except the part that somatotypes aren't a real thing.

    I could make up an imaginary term and call them zlygfusts, and then zlygfust would be a perfectly apt term to describe them too - except it would be a made up term that didn't mean anything, just like ectomorph.

    My understanding is that somatypes as they pertain to psychoanalysis and personality have been discounted, but that the underlying body types are still used as descriptors in research. In that respect, somatypes as they refer to a body type (minus the psychological component), are a real thing.

    Edit:grammar. Sometimes mine sucks.
  • trigden1991
    trigden1991 Posts: 4,658 Member
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    SideSteel wrote: »
    Mahdi707 wrote: »
    Add about 500 more calories, you should be OK. Just gained about 9 pounds in 2 weeks.

    I'd be curious why anyone would want to gain this fast? Are you trying to make it to a certain weight for a competition?

    Because dreamer bulking..........
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
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    brasda91 wrote: »
    Ectomorph body type = slim boned, long limbed, lithe and have very little body fat and little muscle.

    Somatotypes = garbage psychology and worse physiology bodies change over time as do personalities etc. You could certainly say that the observation of certain body types is true just to denote differences but when does an ecto become a meso or an endo? When do ecto-meso's come in? I was an ecto then and endo and now a meso so what does that mean?

    It's just fuzzy and contorted junk science.

  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
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    AnvilHead wrote: »
    pbryd wrote: »
    People are genetically different.

    Some people have a narrow shoulders
    Some people have wide shoulders
    Some people have a low amount of natural muscle
    Some people have a high amount of natural muscle

    The term ectomorph is a perfectly apt term to describe someone lean and slim.
    All except the part that somatotypes aren't a real thing.

    I could make up an imaginary term and call them zlygfusts, and then zlygfust would be a perfectly apt term to describe them too - except it would be a made up term that didn't mean anything, just like ectomorph.

    My understanding is that somatypes as they pertain to psychoanalysis and personality have been discounted, but that the underlying body types are still used as descriptors in research. In that respect, somatypes as they refer to a body type (minus the psychological component), are a real thing.

    Edit:grammar. Sometimes mine sucks.

    William Sheldon was a psychologist, but I think he was behavioural IIRC and not a psychoanalyst. Not sure what research is using these descriptors since they are fuzzy definitions and there are now something like 21 descriptors. Body shapes are real but somatypes are not real because they change overtime.
  • Wheelhouse15
    Wheelhouse15 Posts: 5,575 Member
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    brizzlar wrote: »
    Ectomorph leaning body type, 6'2 in height. Current diet: 3480 calories per day.

    What have you been doing to try to gain? There isn't any real information here that we can sink our teeth into so knowing a few more details would really help the quality of the answers you'll get.
  • Jcl81
    Jcl81 Posts: 154 Member
    edited September 2016
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    Best advice, don't give yourself a goal in number form unless it's a pr with weight. Who knows what you'll look like at 200 pounds.
  • ItsyBitsy246
    ItsyBitsy246 Posts: 307 Member
    edited September 2016
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    AnvilHead wrote: »
    pbryd wrote: »
    People are genetically different.

    Some people have a narrow shoulders
    Some people have wide shoulders
    Some people have a low amount of natural muscle
    Some people have a high amount of natural muscle

    The term ectomorph is a perfectly apt term to describe someone lean and slim.
    All except the part that somatotypes aren't a real thing.

    I could make up an imaginary term and call them zlygfusts, and then zlygfust would be a perfectly apt term to describe them too - except it would be a made up term that didn't mean anything, just like ectomorph.

    My understanding is that somatypes as they pertain to psychoanalysis and personality have been discounted, but that the underlying body types are still used as descriptors in research. In that respect, somatypes as they refer to a body type (minus the psychological component), are a real thing.

    Edit:grammar. Sometimes mine sucks.

    William Sheldon was a psychologist, but I think he was behavioural IIRC and not a psychoanalyst. Not sure what research is using these descriptors since they are fuzzy definitions and there are now something like 21 descriptors. Body shapes are real but somatypes are not real because they change overtime.

    I don't know specifically (not my field), but I did a quick search and came up with this example using somatotypes. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4433966/