Ketogenic Diet?

I had an injury last year that is not healing. My doctor finally said no activity. I can sleep or sit in a chair until my should heals. Ugh. I gained 25lbs while feeling sorry for myself. Loosing weight without increased exercise has always been difficult for me, so when a friend started a small private Keto support group I decided to join. It's only been two weeks and I am shocked. This chronic insomniac is Fallon asleep on the couch by the end of the night. I don't remember ever being able to sleep this well. The brain fog is also gone. I experienced a trauma 6 years ago that de stories me. One of the changes was brain function and motivation. It ma gone. I'm sure both te additional sleep and diet are helping. My digestive system is also better. Gone is the bloated gassy feeling.

The goal for our group is to go Keto for six months. Most of us even went to our doctors and had comprehensive blood panels done. We plan to do the same at the end of the six moths. Most of us plan to add a small amount of carbs back into our diets at the end of our trial. I personally hope to stay mostly grain free.

mlee981 wrote: »

Low carb diets are one of the most stupid things you can do for your body.
I come from a past of anorexia , weight restored now and much healthier . and also thought low carb low fat was the way to Go. It's not , it's really not .

You just need to focus on whole foods and change your mind set away from weight loss, weight loss should be a slow and gradual process.


https://m.youtube.com/watch?list=PLwtVGCigu7oAP7KiCSJ6St8f5Sgb6qgLm&params=OAFIAVgJ&v=iDW6mfKJclk&mode=NORMAL

Our bodies run on carbohydrates . Just eat the right foods .

You need to learn to love yourself .

You still have much to learn.

Well for those of us who are Type 2 diabetic - it is sustainable and necessary if you want to improve your diabetes or even reverse it. Carbs are in a lot of foods - it is very difficult to eat no carbs.

CarolynNotary wrote: »

I was put on the ketogenic diet by my endo 30 years ago for pre diabetes. I am so glad. I have watched all my friends grow fat, ill, and some even die. I am 58 years old now, and still slender, energetic and perfectly healthy. My health is not genetic because my sisters are both heavy now. This is the fountain of youth. I have eggs, bacon, chicken, beef, lamb pork. I eat until I am full and I can go for hours without needing to eat. I am NEVER going back to poisonous carbs.

Poisonous? Here's a definition of poison:

poi·son
ˈpoiz(ə)n/
noun
1.
a substance that is capable of causing the illness or death of a living organism when introduced or absorbed.
synonyms: toxin, toxicant, venom; archaicbane
"a deadly poison"

No, just no.

I'm diabetic have been since the early 1990's. I started eating Keto summer of 2016. It's done wonders for my A1c and I have lost 31 pounds I now have the hope of kicking diabetes. Don't be intimidated there are plenty of resources out there. Keto has been a God send.

lemurcat12 wrote: »

cerise_noir wrote: »

CarolynNotary wrote: »

I was put on the ketogenic diet by my endo 30 years ago for pre diabetes. I am so glad. I have watched all my friends grow fat, ill, and some even die. I am 58 years old now, and still slender, energetic and perfectly healthy. My health is not genetic because my sisters are both heavy now. This is the fountain of youth. I have eggs, bacon, chicken, beef, lamb pork. I eat until I am full and I can go for hours without needing to eat. I am NEVER going back to poisonous carbs.

Poisonous? Here's a definition of poison:

poi·son
ˈpoiz(ə)n/
noun
1.
a substance that is capable of causing the illness or death of a living organism when introduced or absorbed.
synonyms: toxin, toxicant, venom; archaicbane
"a deadly poison"

No, just no.

Oh, those poisonous carbs. I had a giant salad with breakfast involving spring greens, red onions, cucumbers, and even a (gasp!) peach I added to it. Then I picked up my CSA box filled with poison carbs, of course, and even switched out one (a zucchini, since I have tons of zucchini and there were multiple ones in the box) for an extra fennel, since fennel is one of my favorites. How alarming.

Also in the box (among many other poison carbs) was a bunch of carrots. Evil carrots.

Haha! I think they were talking about processed carbs such as the muffins, cake, cookies, and cupcakes I've been stuffing my face with lately. I have been slowly killing myself with poisonous carbs! What am I to do??

lemurcat12 wrote: »

cerise_noir wrote: »

CarolynNotary wrote: »

I was put on the ketogenic diet by my endo 30 years ago for pre diabetes. I am so glad. I have watched all my friends grow fat, ill, and some even die. I am 58 years old now, and still slender, energetic and perfectly healthy. My health is not genetic because my sisters are both heavy now. This is the fountain of youth. I have eggs, bacon, chicken, beef, lamb pork. I eat until I am full and I can go for hours without needing to eat. I am NEVER going back to poisonous carbs.

Poisonous? Here's a definition of poison:

poi·son
ˈpoiz(ə)n/
noun
1.
a substance that is capable of causing the illness or death of a living organism when introduced or absorbed.
synonyms: toxin, toxicant, venom; archaicbane
"a deadly poison"

No, just no.

Oh, those poisonous carbs. I had a giant salad with breakfast involving spring greens, red onions, cucumbers, and even a (gasp!) peach I added to it. Then I picked up my CSA box filled with poison carbs, of course, and even switched out one (a zucchini, since I have tons of zucchini and there were multiple ones in the box) for an extra fennel, since fennel is one of my favorites. How alarming.

Also in the box (among many other poison carbs) was a bunch of carrots. Evil carrots.

*sniff* RIP..

To that delicious sounding but obviously poisonous concoction! :laugh:

I love fennel as well (especially roasted or in the form of taralli.)

I did keto for about a year and lost 40 pounds, and that was with lots of good vegetables, protein and a few fruits but rarely any breads or grains. Now I'm simply lower carb and the only difference is that I eat more fruit now. I still do not eat many desserts or breads/grains/pastas. I have avoided medications for both type 2 diabetes and high blood pressure. This is all under the advisement of my doctor. The only portion I did not like about keto was *very* high fat but that's just because those types of foods don't always appeal to me, so I'm more moderate with that now.

DM_78 wrote: »

cee134 wrote: »

Keto is good for children with epilepsy. Otherwise it offers no benefit over low carb diets.

Ketogenic low-carbohydrate diets have no metabolic advantage over nonketogenic low-carbohydrate diets
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.abstract

Am I missing something? 20 people...Six week study. That hardly seems comprehensive or conclusive to me.

It may not be conclusive, but it certainly is suggestive. Especially as there is no study, with the same rigour, using more people over a longer period, and showing the contrary.

Mr_Knight wrote: »

DM_78 wrote: »

cee134 wrote: »

Keto is good for children with epilepsy. Otherwise it offers no benefit over low carb diets.

Ketogenic low-carbohydrate diets have no metabolic advantage over nonketogenic low-carbohydrate diets
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.abstract

Am I missing something? 20 people...Six week study. That hardly seems comprehensive or conclusive to me.

It may not be conclusive, but it certainly is suggestive. Especially as there is no study, with the same rigour, using more people over a longer period, and showing the contrary.

Many things are suggestive, and mean nothing.

I can tell you this, I have been ill for the last 11 years with symptoms that are like having fibro,chronic fatigue syndrome, and MS all rolled into one. The first breakthrough came in discovering my need for large doses of methyl B12 to bring my homocysteine down and imorove some of my symotoms.

The next breakthrough was in discovering Dr Sinclair's research at Harvard into life extension and aging reversal, and his use of special form of B3 - NMN - to increase NAD+ to increase mitochondrial output and utilization of ATP. The theory is that all aging and disease is caused by mitochondrial dysfunction. In fact, researchers in thus field are now calling aging a disease.

In Dr Sinclair's research in 2013, he administered NMN to 2 year old mice which are at the end of their life span. A week later he checked their cellular age markers and the essentially had the cells of 6 month old mice. He was named one of Time's Top 100 Men of the Year in 2014 for this discovery.

The precursor to NMN is NR, available only under the name Niagen, which is also able to increase NAD+ similar to NMN but not as effectively, but is available to us now. I started taking this 2 years ago and with the first dose I felt like I had been plugged into a nuclear power plant and was suddenly able to do things i hasnt been able to do in 9 years. But as soon as it wore off, my symptoms would come rushing back. That's how I realized I had a serious mitochondrial problem.

Since then, I've been dependent on Niagen to have a somewhat normal life. However, a couple months ago I came across the book

THE PLANT PARADOX

which challenged what I understood about healthy, but one of the points made had to with our mitochondria, and how a modern diet of fresh produce year round (rather than the cyclic diet we used to have) can essentially exhaust them, as converting glucose to energy is more work than converting ketones to energy. I wondered if that might lead to a real solution.

So I researched ketogenic diets, decided to give it a try, I've been on it for a week and my dependence on Niagen has been dramatically reduced and I have lots of steady energy, all the benifits people talk about with ketogenic diets.

So, yes, a ketogenic diet definitely benefits much more than just epilepsy in children.

lemurcat12 wrote: »

cerise_noir wrote: »

CarolynNotary wrote: »

I was put on the ketogenic diet by my endo 30 years ago for pre diabetes. I am so glad. I have watched all my friends grow fat, ill, and some even die. I am 58 years old now, and still slender, energetic and perfectly healthy. My health is not genetic because my sisters are both heavy now. This is the fountain of youth. I have eggs, bacon, chicken, beef, lamb pork. I eat until I am full and I can go for hours without needing to eat. I am NEVER going back to poisonous carbs.

Poisonous? Here's a definition of poison:

poi·son
ˈpoiz(ə)n/
noun
1.
a substance that is capable of causing the illness or death of a living organism when introduced or absorbed.
synonyms: toxin, toxicant, venom; archaicbane
"a deadly poison"

No, just no.

Oh, those poisonous carbs. I had a giant salad with breakfast involving spring greens, red onions, cucumbers, and even a (gasp!) peach I added to it. Then I picked up my CSA box filled with poison carbs, of course, and even switched out one (a zucchini, since I have tons of zucchini and there were multiple ones in the box) for an extra fennel, since fennel is one of my favorites. How alarming.

Also in the box (among many other poison carbs) was a bunch of carrots. Evil carrots.

ERMAGERDZ! dude, you gonna die. Maybe update your estate plan or something

snickerscharlie wrote: »

theresejesu wrote: »

Mr_Knight wrote: »

DM_78 wrote: »

cee134 wrote: »

Keto is good for children with epilepsy. Otherwise it offers no benefit over low carb diets.

Ketogenic low-carbohydrate diets have no metabolic advantage over nonketogenic low-carbohydrate diets
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/83/5/1055.abstract

Am I missing something? 20 people...Six week study. That hardly seems comprehensive or conclusive to me.

It may not be conclusive, but it certainly is suggestive. Especially as there is no study, with the same rigour, using more people over a longer period, and showing the contrary.

Many things are suggestive, and mean nothing.

I can tell you this, I have been ill for the last 11 years with symptoms that are like having fibro,chronic fatigue syndrome, and MS all rolled into one. The first breakthrough came in discovering my need for large doses of methyl B12 to bring my homocysteine down and imorove some of my symotoms.

The next breakthrough was in discovering Dr Sinclair's research at Harvard into life extension and aging reversal, and his use of special form of B3 - NMN - to increase NAD+ to increase mitochondrial output and utilization of ATP. The theory is that all aging and disease is caused by mitochondrial dysfunction. In fact, researchers in thus field are now calling aging a disease.

In Dr Sinclair's research in 2013, he administered NMN to 2 year old mice which are at the end of their life span. A week later he checked their cellular age markers and the essentially had the cells of 6 month old mice. He was named one of Time's Top 100 Men of the Year in 2014 for this discovery.

The precursor to NMN is NR, available only under the name Niagen, which is also able to increase NAD+ similar to NMN but not as effectively, but is available to us now. I started taking this 2 years ago and with the first dose I felt like I had been plugged into a nuclear power plant and was suddenly able to do things i hasnt been able to do in 9 years. But as soon as it wore off, my symptoms would come rushing back. That's how I realized I had a serious mitochondrial problem.

Since then, I've been dependent on Niagen to have a somewhat normal life. However, a couple months ago I came across the book

THE PLANT PARADOX

which challenged what I understood about healthy, but one of the points made had to with our mitochondria, and how a modern diet of fresh produce year round (rather than the cyclic diet we used to have) can essentially exhaust them, as converting glucose to energy is more work than converting ketones to energy. I wondered if that might lead to a real solution.

So I researched ketogenic diets, decided to give it a try, I've been on it for a week and my dependence on Niagen has been dramatically reduced and I have lots of steady energy, all the benifits people talk about with ketogenic diets.

So, yes, a ketogenic diet definitely benefits much more than just epilepsy in children.

To the first bolded: On this we can agree:

To the second: This is your n=1 after a mere seven days. Which harkens back to the first bolded.

I understand this is your interpretation and I understand your skepticism. I live with a husband who is extremely skeptical, but even he is acknowledging this is all working.

I'm living it.

There is no way I can express to you or anyone else who has not gone through this, the absolute joy to be liberated from the fear of everything falling apart because you didn't have access to a supplement or medication when you needed it, with terribly debilitating symptoms rushing back in and taking over your life.

And all because you found how to eat to address the very debilitating underlying problem.