Any Scuba Divers?

Pseudocyber
Pseudocyber Posts: 312 Member
edited November 12 in Fitness and Exercise
So, out of curiosity, I was looking at logging scuba diving. 30 minute dive - 355 calories. Really!?!? Based on what?

I can do a 5mph run for 30 min and it gives me 406 calories ... I'm sweating, huffing, and puffing when I run for 30 minutes. I'm swimming pretty slowly and peacefully when I dive - to conserve air. How can 30 minutes of scuba diving be that many calories?

Just signed up for my PADI Rescue Diver, btw. :glasses:
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  • Tomhusker
    Tomhusker Posts: 346 Member
    Do you think you would be sweating if the water wasn't so cool? Any swimming works a lot of muscles that don't normally get worked, so that may have a lot to do with it. You can look at several different sites to get their calorie count and average it out if that helps. I do that with a lot of things.
  • kimmerroze
    kimmerroze Posts: 1,330 Member
    That seems high to me too. But I do know that when I first started diving I was sore. Not so much anymore. and the above poster is right. They recommend water exercises to the elderly because it doesn't make you feel like you are working out as hard. so maybe. But I have no idea,.
  • superjae5
    superjae5 Posts: 64 Member
    I'm a scuba diver. I'm not sure if it's accurate or not, but here's some speculation. I wonder if because the pressure is higher that movement requires more energy and burns more calories. I know it takes a lot more effort to breathe at 90 ft than at sea level. Plus we're using muscles we don't in regular activity, and regular swimming is typically a high-calorie burning exercise. I'm still inclined to think the added pressure could have something to do with it.

    Doing a quick search on the internet, it's saying average of 7-8 cal per minute (but for certain body types), so MFP may be rating it high. It also mentioned more experienced divers will probably burn less than newbies.

    I'd be curious to know, I wonder if you can take some kind of calorie counter underwater that deep--or if anyone has tried.

    Awesome that you're doing rescue diving.
  • nikki_zav
    nikki_zav Posts: 320 Member
    If you are a new diver, you are probably working harder as well trying to figure out your buoyancy in the water, get used to the gear, breathing out of a cylinder strapped to you back...it's all pretty different. That does seem pretty high for a 30 min dive...also could depend on how much effort you are putting in. Personally, I try to move as little as possible - light fin kicks, arms crossed in front of me, and let the water do the work....love to be a fish for as long as 3000PSI will let me!!!! Depending on where you are diving and what kind of conditions, that may or may not be possible. Not to mention, the water is keeping you afloat. Like Tom said, I'd search around some more sites to see what others say about cals burned.

    Congrats on signing up for your rescue!! I hope to do mine this summer too :)
  • Pseudocyber
    Pseudocyber Posts: 312 Member
    Well, so far I'm up to about 60 dives - mostly warm, blue water - Carribean (St. Croix, Turks & Caicos) - we're going to Caymans in August on the Cayman Aggressor :glasses:

    I'm trying to get under 200 (from 265 in Feb.) by August - don't know if I'll make it. Also started running training - for the Army 10 Mile in DC in October.

    So hopefully, I'll have better breathing control than I've had before. I'll shop around for scuba diving averages - but interesting thought on a heart rate monitor/calorie counter - I wonder if they can go down to 100'. I'll look around on that, of course, I guess it would have to be under my suit to get the heart rate. But if heart rate goes up for anxiety or excitement, I guess that would throw off the calorie burning calculations. :drinker:
  • dbisko
    dbisko Posts: 1 Member
    According to my Diet Power program there are 4 different estimations for SCUBA diving:
    SCUBA diving (Navy Seal) - 20 min = 219 calories
    SCUBA diving, average - 20 min = 119 calories
    SCUBA diving, fast - 20 min = 299 calories
    SCUBA diving, leisurely - 20 min = 80 calories

    It depends on the conditions of the dive. I'm an avid diver and when diving my lake here at home I am completely relaxed and exerting very little energy DURING the dive. Getting ready and hauling my gear to the water's edge and back (our lake has steep cliffs and lots of stairs) I am exerting MUCH more energy. But that only lasts for a short period of time.

    If you are diving in the ocean against current... sure you could burn 355 calories in 30 min. Gear isn't exactly hydrodynamic :). But who really dives that way? By contrast, if are you diving in Cozumel where the current does all the work... you aren't burning hardly any calories.

    If you've ever dove the Flower Garden's (Gulf of Mexico) in 6 ft swells and tried to get back in the boat... you could feel like you've run a 5K. :)

    Good luck with your Rescue Diver! That was my favorite class to help with during divemaster training.

    Have fun blowing bubbles!
  • fteale
    fteale Posts: 5,310 Member
    Fab, I did my Rescue Diver just before I got pregnant with my first. I have only been diving once since having children. It's just impossible these days. I miss it so much!
  • Pseudocyber
    Pseudocyber Posts: 312 Member
    Ok - so maybe the calorie burn is an average. I'll tell you though, most of my dives are from liveaboards - boats.

    So this weekend, first "shore dives" and putting on gear, full 3mil, wool lined, wetsuit, with gloves, and hood, and 10lbs weight, steel 120 - in 95 degree sun and then walking to the water - 80 degrees surface, 59 degrees at 30 feet (45 at 100' but we didn't go down into the "refreshing" zone") ... I will TAKE whatever calories MFP wants to give me, dang it!!!

    I had a good time doing rescue diver - got attacked a couple of times by paniced victims - once grabbing my regulator out of my mouth at depth. Had a missing diver that got stuck in a wrecked car at 35'. Doing searches in 59 degree water at 30' with about 8' of visibility.

    Good time, good experience. But need more practice.
  • I dive weekend at our local aquarium (NYC) doing maintenance work. Typical dive times are in excess of 90 minutes. Water temp varies from 40's to mid 70's. The greatest factor for me in calories burned while diving comes from conductive heat loss, low and slow, but it really adds up after an hour or two. It only stands to reason that your body will do whatever it needs to do to maintain 98.6. Even in a drysuit after almost 2 hours in cold water, I'm shivering and ready for a hot shower to bring my temp back up.

    I just stumbled on this calorie calculator on Glamour.com using Google. It seems pretty accurate based on my experiences.

    http://tinyurl.com/6dexolj
  • Victorian131
    Victorian131 Posts: 130
    I qualified for my Advanced Open Water in 2007 and am now working my way through the PADI specialities to DiveMaster. I do most of my diving in the Caribbean (Aruba/Jamaica) but I really want to start diving in England and get qualified more here to get my experience up. Any divers from Devon or Cornwall about? I'm planning on joining a club down there in the next year or so, would be good to meet people from around those parts!
  • Pseudocyber
    Pseudocyber Posts: 312 Member
    I qualified for my Advanced Open Water in 2007 and am now working my way through the PADI specialities to DiveMaster. I do most of my diving in the Caribbean (Aruba/Jamaica) but I really want to start diving in England and get qualified more here to get my experience up. Any divers from Devon or Cornwall about? I'm planning on joining a club down there in the next year or so, would be good to meet people from around those parts!

    Hey Victorian131. We're about the same level & time. I've done PADI AOW, EAN, Rescue. Not seriously thinking about DM, yet.

    Have you checked out www.scubaboard.com? It's like THE online diver hangout. I'm Pseudocyber there too.
  • midnightsukie
    midnightsukie Posts: 38 Member
    I'm a diver and I have to argee, that is high. i think i might burn that much putting a dry suit on and then trying to put fins on, always amusinig!

    but generall under the water its too calm to burn that many cals.

    I want to do my rescue this year :)

    Any one else a diver from England?
  • girlinahat
    girlinahat Posts: 2,956 Member
    me me!!

    I do think it pretty high, because once I am settled underwater people have thought i'm asleep i'm so chilled. But getting your kit on board the RHIB, kitting up in a dry suit and clinging on to the boat at 20knots as you speed over to the site probably burns a fair few calories, not to mention trying to figure out where your buddy is in less than 1m vis, and keeping yourself warm in 14 degree C water.....

    I wouldn't suggest diving as a weightloss activity - mostly because the bacon butty for breakfast and the post-dive rehydration beer are par for the course, but anything that gets a person out and about and not stuck in front of the TV is good in my book.

    I did Padi AOW back in 2000 and then switched to doing BSAC to Dive Leader standard. Definitely everyone should get to Padi Rescue/BSAC Sports as it makes you so much more self-reliant.

    And don't let my description above of UK diving put you off diving here - personally I rate it way above the soft pretty tropical dives - they don't call us rufty-tufty divers for nothing!!!
  • diverchic73
    diverchic73 Posts: 314 Member
    I'm a UK diver as well. I have only just figured out that there is a scuba diving calorie counter... I'd always gone for leisurely swimming estimated time before LOL.

    I work it out as, calories used getting kit on and off the boat, calories standing on the boat while on way to/from dive site, getting drysuit and twinset on and into the water, doing the dive, staying warm during the dive and getting back to your spot on the boat... once I take all that into consideration it sounds about right to me.

    If I was to log all the other movement/lifting/etc as well as the diving it'd be way over though. I also don't count all my deco time as that's just hanging about mid-water doing nothing LOL.

    Am looking forward to burning a heck of a lot of cals during a week long dive camp I'm going to soon... none of it will be chilled relaxed diving as it's all about improving skills etc under water.

    Oh, I'm doing my DM training now, have done my Advanced Nitrox and Decompression Theory courses and am looking at getting a rebreather and doing my trimix course within the next year.

    Another forum for divers in the uk is www.yorkshire-divers.com

    For actual calorie count, would it be possible to wear a heart rate monitor under your drysuit with the wrist band/watch bit inside your drysuit to keep it dry and see what it comes up with? I don't have a hrm so don't know. but one of my old dive computers had a hrm in it and I do know that the kitting up and getting into the water portion of the dive could send hr rocketing!
  • girlinahat
    girlinahat Posts: 2,956 Member

    Oh, I'm doing my DM training now, have done my Advanced Nitrox and Decompression Theory courses and am looking at getting a rebreather and doing my trimix course within the next year.

    a couple friends of mine did the Mixed Gas course, then after their first attempt at using it on a deep dive (which was blown out) realised that the £150 they had spent on gas for ending up doing a normal dive wasn't worth the money. They both bought YBOD's straight after......


    I agree- Yorkshire-divers.com is probably the most active online scuba community in the UK. For the Souith west some good sites can be found on SouthwestMafia.com. I do a fair amount of diving in Devon and Cornwall but am Bristol based - I can let you know some good sites/clubs/outfits down there whoever asked about it.
  • midnightsukie
    midnightsukie Posts: 38 Member

    I wouldn't suggest diving as a weightloss activity - mostly because the bacon butty for breakfast and the post-dive rehydration beer are par for the course, but anything that gets a person out and about and not stuck in front of the TV is good in my book.


    Have to argee there. too much food and drink involved to class as a weightloss session :)
  • diverchic73
    diverchic73 Posts: 314 Member
    a couple friends of mine did the Mixed Gas course, then after their first attempt at using it on a deep dive (which was blown out) realised that the £150 they had spent on gas for ending up doing a normal dive wasn't worth the money. They both bought YBOD's straight after......

    I'm booked on a trip to Malin Head next year and think that the rebreather will def be a good thing on that trip... otherwise the He cost will be around £500 (going by what someone who did it last year said guys on their boat paid). Would much rather be paying for mix for a 3l cylinder than 2 x 12l ones!!!!
  • Pseudocyber
    Pseudocyber Posts: 312 Member
    Diverchic73 & girlinahat ... man, y'all are HARD CORE!!! I'm just a warm water wuss ... 80 degrees F (26C) for me ...

    I've had a milestone/short term goal of hitting -65lbs (-29.5Kg) by August to go on my vacation to Caymans - a week on the Aggressor Caymans (maybe 50 dives) and then a week on the island (more diving & laying around in the sun). :drinker: :smile: :happy: :tongue:

    I'd like to get dry suit trained and pick one up so I can start doing some colder diving - I live in North Carolina in the US - and there's a lot of wrecks on the coast here - "The Ghost Fleet of the Atlantic".

    Diverchic - you've only been diving since 2000 and you're doing HARD HAT!?!?

    What made y'all want to go Tec/Commercial?

    - Cheers
  • diverchic73
    diverchic73 Posts: 314 Member
    Pseudocyber - I think you got us mixed up. I've been diving since dec 2006 and am going down the technical diving route. I'm doing it because of wanting to be able to see / spend more time on some of the amazing wrecks out there - especially around the UK as there are sooooo many. All of the courses I do are to make myself a better/safer diver/buddy while enabling me to see the things I want to see.

    I don't dive hard hat or commercial though, purely for the love of it.

    I do dive warm water as well but diving UK enables me to dive much more regularly. I also like doing training here as i know that if I can handle the skills and drills in UK temp and vis I can handle them anywhere. The lowest temp dive I've done was 4 degrees C (39.2F). I do want to do an ice diving course though so am sure that will be a bit colder!

    Nothing wrong with diving warm water only :smile: it tends to be much more reliable. Was supposed to have dived four different wrecks last weekend and did 3 - none of which were the ones originally planned - due to the wind and swell.

    Oh, I'm also the kind of diver who is just as happy looking at little animals as I am at big wrecks so am versatile that way too.
  • girlinahat
    girlinahat Posts: 2,956 Member
    LOL. That's not me doing hard hat professionally - that was a one day open water dive in Cornwall wearing full-on historical gear - 1904 Siebe-Gorman brass helmet, canvas (very leaky) suit and weights. I had to have extra weights as the suit was so big. My mates on land were controliing the pump (you have to turn the pump at a steady speed else the person in the suit gets too much pressure on them!!). Total weight I was carrying - 205lbs. I weigh 140......

    well worth the day out but I don't fancy doing it again- you can barely move!!!!

    I agree with Diverchic on the reasons for more techie diving. I'll twin up when I have the money, if only to do some better dives. In the UK we tend to dive in pairs and are more self-reliant than on a holiday dive. You have to be pretty felxible as Diverchic says you may end up doing something different than the dive planned due to the weather. In fact, you may even jump in and not find the wreck (been there, had a sand dive....).

    I love to dive because of the physical and mental challenge. My key aim in losing weight and getting fit is to breathe less air underwater therefore longer and better dives.

    I'm off to Southern Ireland in September (am jealous as my friends are in the Shetlands right now). I may squeeze in a warm water holiday soon too.....
  • Pseudocyber
    Pseudocyber Posts: 312 Member
    Ah, I did get you mixed up. Sorry! :embarassed:
  • diverchic73
    diverchic73 Posts: 314 Member
    LOL, no problem.

    I second what girlinahat says about diving the invisible wreck as well... had it happen but that was more due to visibility than the skipper dropping us in the wrong place.

    I've had dives where I was going down the shot waiting to clear the algae bloom and plankton and realized ti was not going to clear it as I hit the wreck with a thunk. took a very quick look around, gave up due to the visibility (lack thereof) and went back up to the surface.

    I've also had dives here where it looked murky as at the surface but then cleared up at 10m or so and was like doing a cold night dive on the wreck.

    You never know what you're going to get so it's always interesting.

    I also agree that we tend to do more diving as pairs/solo in the UK and tend to have to be much more self sufficient as it's not guided dives like in the Red Sea or some liveaboards. There is no guide. If something goes wrong, it's up to you and/or your buddy to sort it out.

    So, I love the mental aspect of planning the dives and learning about what i'm going to see as well as the freedom of being in the water.
  • girlinahat
    girlinahat Posts: 2,956 Member
    Just wanted to add the plus side to diving in the uk - it's not all low vis and missing wrecks!!

    The fun for me is the mental challenge of being on your own (albeit with a buddy) underwater. You have to know your skills and also know your marine life - the more you know about the creatures the better you'll be able to spot them - lobsters hiding under rocks, conger eels in ships boilers, the fabulous tompot blenny etc. The moment you first spot a 1/3 inch long sea slug yourself ( and try pointing it out to your buddy) is the point you start seeing them everywhere. Some people think UK waters are dull and grey. Theyve clearly never seen a blanket of jewel anemones....

    And catching your own scallops and eating them fresh and raw on the boat? Worth burning a few calories!!!

    Personally I prefer UK diving for the challenge, but now and then a nice bit of less hassle tropical guided diving is good too!!
  • atomdraco
    atomdraco Posts: 1,083 Member
    Diver here. It seems high to me too. Do you have a HRM go deep enough for you to get a better idea?

    Also found this site: http://www.exercise.com/activity/scuba-diving
  • diverchic73
    diverchic73 Posts: 314 Member
    Just wanted to add the plus side to diving in the uk - it's not all low vis and missing wrecks!!

    The fun for me is the mental challenge of being on your own (albeit with a buddy) underwater. You have to know your skills and also know your marine life - the more you know about the creatures the better you'll be able to spot them - lobsters hiding under rocks, conger eels in ships boilers, the fabulous tompot blenny etc. The moment you first spot a 1/3 inch long sea slug yourself ( and try pointing it out to your buddy) is the point you start seeing them everywhere. Some people think UK waters are dull and grey. Theyve clearly never seen a blanket of jewel anemones....

    And catching your own scallops and eating them fresh and raw on the boat? Worth burning a few calories!!!

    Personally I prefer UK diving for the challenge, but now and then a nice bit of less hassle tropical guided diving is good too!!

    oops, :blushing: , I didn't realize how negative that may come across... I just love being in the water so much the conditions don't really bother me if they're not great.... and I did just come back from three cracking dives in low vis but the dives themselves were BRILLIANT so don't necessarily see it as a negative.

    I have done some amazing dives with the seals in the Farne Islands... the first you'll know a seal is around is when you feel a little pull on your fin and look back and there's a seal nibbling on it! They'll even come in for cuddles and play with you which means you'll be diving and walking around with an ear to ear grin for ages.

    The history of the wrecks is fantastic - I've dived the scuttled German fleet in Scapa Flow. The sense of the size of the ships and the history.

    Spotting nudibranchs in the UK is another fave pastime underwater.

    So, there are LOADS of positives about diving in the UK and it is def not all bad vis and missing wrecks! :blushing:

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    how could you not love a dive where this cheeky chappy comes to play?
  • girlinahat
    girlinahat Posts: 2,956 Member
    oops, :blushing: , I didn't realize how negative that may come across... I just love being in the water so much the conditions don't really bother me if they're not great.... and I did just come back from three cracking dives in low vis but the dives themselves were BRILLIANT so don't necessarily see it as a negative.

    Not at all!! I thought I was the one painting a bleak picture!!

    One of my most memorable dives was exceptionally low vis (you could only see things if you shone a torch directly at them). I lost my buddy at the bottom of the shot, fell off the wreck and had to spend a good few minutes calming down before I made my way to the surface. In some ways it was terrifying, in others it was an exceptionally good learning experience.

    Sadly my only trip to the Farnes was bad weather - we got smashed against the rocks, I punched a hole in my wrist seal and only got half a dive. I have managed seals in the Scillies though...and Lundyand they are great fun as long as you don't give them your fingers to play with!!!!
  • diverchic73
    diverchic73 Posts: 314 Member
    LOL - I think you and I are in the same mindset when it comes to what others would call 'crap dives'. I think that some of my worst dives are the best because I have learned the most from them!

    Doing my solo diver course I was going along using my smb as a reference due to very low vis in the quarry I was in. Let go of my reel so I could do shut down drills. When I went to get my reel again it was gone. Not a concern as I was comfortable enough to no longer need the reference and it was a quarry so I figured I'd just find it at the surface. My instructor had clipped it on the back of my cylinders so I was pulling it along the whole time without realizing! One of the things they do as part of the course is see how many things can go wrong, how you handle the stress and also have you practice as if things had failed so you are comfortable with it. By the end of the dive I'd lost my smb/reel, had one of the shoulder straps of my harness 'break' (unclipped) and lost a fin.

    Was great fun and I know that I can handle a serious amount of kit failure and stay calm and collected :smile:

    Where do you normally dive?
  • girlinahat
    girlinahat Posts: 2,956 Member
    LOL - I think you and I are in the same mindset when it comes to what others would call 'crap dives'. I think that some of my worst dives are the best because I have learned the most from them!

    Doing my solo diver course I was going along using my smb as a reference due to very low vis in the quarry I was in. Let go of my reel so I could do shut down drills. When I went to get my reel again it was gone. Not a concern as I was comfortable enough to no longer need the reference and it was a quarry so I figured I'd just find it at the surface. My instructor had clipped it on the back of my cylinders so I was pulling it along the whole time without realizing! One of the things they do as part of the course is see how many things can go wrong, how you handle the stress and also have you practice as if things had failed so you are comfortable with it. By the end of the dive I'd lost my smb/reel, had one of the shoulder straps of my harness 'break' (unclipped) and lost a fin.

    Was great fun and I know that I can handle a serious amount of kit failure and stay calm and collected :smile:

    Where do you normally dive?

    Not done a solo diver course but I am firmly of the belief that everyone should be capable of diving solo. Having been in a couple of minor incidents, I know that my buddy cannot and should not be relied on. Of course it is always nice to dive with someone else so you can point things out to them and make them carry the heavy bag of scallops....

    I also like the way BSAC teaches you rescue straight off the bat (pros and cons to that). Thankfully I've never had to put it into practice but it's always good to know how to land a winchman on a moving boat!!


    I normally dive in the Southwest of England. We have a boat down in Plymouth, but Corwall, South Devon, Dorset, Lundy, Shetlands, Farnes, St. Abbs and Littlehampton have all been dives I have done. Ireland will be a first for me in a couple of months. My computer is in hospital so am waiting eagerly for that to come back before I get a chance to jump in the water again.
  • Bikeminx
    Bikeminx Posts: 51
    I just tried scuba diving and I have to say I'm hooked! Any opportunity to do some more and I'll take it! My first dive was from a cove as I got tutoring in shallow water and the walk to the beach from the car in full scuba gear in 30 degrees must have burnt 500 calories alone haha!!!

    As for burning calories during im not sure. The water provides us with resistance so all the movements are harder but that does seem a little high. I'd compare it to 30 mins of casual swimming unless as speculated the pressure has an effect.

    As a side note though I also tried surfing and ... Oh my ... I've never been so exhausted in my LIFE! No wonder surfers are pretty fit!
  • diverchic73
    diverchic73 Posts: 314 Member
    Ah, I don't really belong to a club... there is one associated with the dive shop I normally go to but I got a bit sick of the politics so gave up. I've never done BSAC training but think that a combination of BSAC and PADI training would probably be best but unfortunately it's not feasible so there will continue to be different agencies and training methods.

    I agree re not wanting to depend on my buddy... I hate when it turns into a 'diving the same ocean' buddy pairing when not expecting it/prepared for it. Normally I'll dive with people I know well or go out on a boat where the skipper knows me and is happy with me soloing.

    Am down in Portland in a week and can't wait - was there last weekend too!

    Am doing the solo course just to make sure that an instructor I have a HUGE amount of respect for feels I am competent enough to do so... and so I can show a cert card and absolve the skipper of any 'why were they diving solo' questions that may arise if anything was to happen and I was on a solo dive.

    I am a firm believer in continually learning to make myself a safer diver :-)
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