I have hit the dreaded plateau - looking for suggestions

tim_jennings
tim_jennings Posts: 172 Member
edited September 29 in Motivation and Support
I started on MFP on January 31, 2011 in order to track my food and excercise while I participated in a "Battle of the Bulge" competition at work. I found the site to be easy to use, the community to be extremely supportive and thanks to this site, and YOU the MFP community, I went from 344 lbs to 290lbs (54lbs total loss) in 12 weeks and took 4th place in that competition, which ended on May 1st.

In the weeks following the competition, I resumed training for a half marathon I have scheduled for October and I continued to loose weight but at a slower, healthier rate. Then about the first of june I stalled. It has been 6 weeks now and I have been bouncing between 287 and 282 and I just can't seem to break through. Thinking I needed to change things up, I added the 30day Shred to my routine, and though I have lost inches, I haven't lost pounds. Then I decided maybe it was my macro nutrients, so I did some research on ratios for runners and decided to change it to 50% carbs, 25% protien and 25% fats, still no change. So I decided to drop from running 6 days a week to only 3 days a week and do some other form of cardio the other 3, and still nothing.

I am out of ideas.... does anyone have a suggestion as to what I can do to change things up so that I start dropping weight again? Don't get me wrong, I feel healthier, stronger and better than I have in years. I understand that I am building muscle and I am loosing inches as well. I am not even considering giving up because I have finally found that happier, healthier lifestyle that I want to continue for the rest of my life. But I would really prefer not to be 285 lbs when I run the half marathon this October. That is like your normal runner wearing a 100lb pack and I would like to drop that down a bit.

My diary is open so please feel free to check it out if that will help you make a constructive suggestion.

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  • It may be way out of your comfort zone, but you should give Zumba a try. I have had men in the classes I have taken before, and they seem to like and come back for more. It is great exercise and is fun! It is usually an hour of intense salsa/hip hop cardio workout. No coordination needed. The benefit is great....you can burn over 500 calories! Give it a shot!
  • rwd5046
    rwd5046 Posts: 302
    Food wise; try cycling your carb intake low to middle to high then start back over, doing this over a week. Excerise wise; try doing HIIT (High Intensty Interval Training) whether its on a bike, treadmill, running, elyptical trainer, whatever, just go all out for short burst every minute or two. You don't have to over do it either. Just push the heart rate every few minutes for as long as your comfortable. These things have helped me.
  • Sorry if you dont like this but your intake could do with some fine tuning, you're eating some not so good food in there...
  • gioisa75
    gioisa75 Posts: 242 Member
    Have you tried to incorporate weight training into your routine?
  • tim_jennings
    tim_jennings Posts: 172 Member
    @ehbennett5 Not sure about Zumba, but I do 2 hours of cuban salsa class every Tuesday night. I love it, maybe I should try to find a Zumba class around here, but I live in a very small (10,000 people) town and there isn't much around...

    @Sarah Yes I realize my food choices aren't always the best, especially lately. I am working on that and thanks for pointing it out.

    @Gioisa Other than the stength training involved in the 30 day shred 6 days a week I also do circuit training at my local gym 1 day a week.
  • mislove68
    mislove68 Posts: 240
    I hot a small plateau a few months ago and learned that every like 3 months you should have a week off, where you eat at maintenance and dont workout. It will help with you metabolism. When i did that I lost 4 pounds just like that. It was hard to do but worth it. Also make sure you are getting plenty of water atleast 12 cups a day imo.

    I looked at your diary and your sodium is WAY to high, and yes some not so good stuff in there. I know my body responces to carbs and sugar treats to weight gain soooo fast! I have to limit those because I cant lose weight at all when I have them. You know your body can not tell the difference between a spoon full of sugar and white flour. So be more natural with LOTS of vegi's.
  • mislove68
    mislove68 Posts: 240
    Oh and yes hiit training is AWESOMe, but strength training is WAY more important and burns soooooooooooooo many more calories then you would think and it doesnt really feel like work. I do only strength training at the gym and cardio on off days like riding my bike.
  • tim_jennings
    tim_jennings Posts: 172 Member
    Those who are making diet suggestions, can I get more specific ideas? When your calorie goal without excercise is 1840 (loosing 2 lbs a week) and you are training for a half marathon (typically burn another 1000 calories a day), and I am suppsed to eat back my excercise calories, how do I get to 2800 calories a day on vegtables and lean meat? I know that I need to, but I can't figure out how without going WAY over on sodium...
  • Since only one person has said anything helpful so far, I will throw out some advice that I can personally gaurantee a) will work and; b) you won't take.

    Sarah is absolutely right. I looked over your food diary and you are eating what you should be eating IF you want to stay at the weight you are at. Since you don't, you need to change things up. First off, this site does you a diservice by adding in your exercise calories to your total daily allowable calories. You need to ignore your exercise calories; on days you work out you shouldn't be eating more - otherwise, what is the point of working out? Also, no matter how much you work out if you are just fighting against what you are putting in your mouth it will be like shoveling water against the tide, and just as productive.

    My dietician says the recommended exercise allotment for most adults is 30 minutes a day, five days a week, non-averaged (meaning you have to do it every day). If you want to lose weight, I would recommend an hour a day of some measurable activity (walking down the street, no, putting yourself through the gauntlet on the treadmill, yes). Do this for 4 days out of the week. On your weekend, do the 30 minutes a day. Take a break day at some point during the week where you do nothing. That's your week excercise wise.

    Dump the calorie and fat totals significantly. Yogurt (1) for breakfast. Protien drink for lunch. Chicken breast for dinner. Wash, rinse, repeat. Stick to it, which you won't, and you'll be under 250 and crusin' in no time flat.

    John
  • Nanadena
    Nanadena Posts: 739 Member
    Joined Jan 2011
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    Fri 04/08/11 11:18 AMSo I have had some requests to post this and I hope that it will benefit you all. To get started out right you need to be set at a 1lb/week fat loss for this to work right. Why 1lb/wk loss? Simple wiggle room, you are going to shed more so do not stress about it, its not the end of the world as you know it. (for those whom have lots to shed 60+ pounds of more we can push it a little further same practice but slightly different application) So here are the basics using me as an example: I am set at a 1lb/week loss and for me that is 1940 cals/day, this gives me a 500 cal deficit to start with before workouts. So remember that mfp set me up with that deficit to start with for the beginners whom do not quite have a handle on that.

    Here is the cal breakdown for maintenance/loss/max:

    2440 maintenance/1940 loss/max deficit of 800 is 1640 cals.

    So on days 1 and 2 I go max deficit of 1640 cals I do this through food and exercise as I like to eat I usually do it by not eating back 300 of my workout cals (for those with a lot to shed you can do that for 500 cals)

    On day 3 I go to maintenance level of 2440 cals. I do this to prevent starvation mode from taking effect and it keeps my metabolic rate at its peak and the exercise helps me to do that as well as crank it up a few notches.

    And repeat, of course the closer I get the lower the amount I can push it so once I am say 5 pounds away I will more than likely have to go to 0.5 lb/week loss for my wiggle room. You will have to play with the deficit to get it set right for you, we all respond somewhat differently but as a general rule a long lasting deficit will drop metabolic rate on you which is why I used to encourage a cheat day or cheat meal every few weeks. I am doing this method to speed up my fat loss somewhat. By zig zagging my cals my body can not lower my metabolic rate on me. Now also keep in mind that as you shed fat the numbers will change so reset it every 2nd week or when results start to slow down. I dropped 27 pounds so far and I train/eat with purpose so should you, train for fat loss using the most time effective workouts like High intensity interval training and metabolic resistance training, we do not need to spend 6 days a week in the gym to shed fat quickly and easily.
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  • swinginchandra
    swinginchandra Posts: 418 Member
    While this is a somewhat unpopular opinion on this site, I don't think you need to stress too much about eating your exercise calories. Research has shown individuals with a large amount of weight to lose can safely maintain a much higher calorie deficit than those on their last few lbs. It's possible that you are over-estimating your calorie burn from running and exercise, and eating much closer to maintenance than you think. Maybe try eating 1/2 your exercise calories, instead of trying for all of them. Or just stick with your 1940 cals / day, with a little bit more if you are really hungry, or do a really strenuous run.
    Once you get closer to your goal weight, this advice will change drastically.
  • tim_jennings
    tim_jennings Posts: 172 Member
    @John Why are you so sure I won't take your advice? I would never have posted in a public forum if I did not intend to listen to every good intentioned suggestion. As to your diet suggestions... 1 cup of yogurt for breakfast ~100 calories, Protient shake for lunch ~150 calories, Chicken breast for dinner~ 150 calories. So you are suggesting that I eat around 400 calories a day? Or did you mean to put in some vegtables along with that that you didn't mention? My nutritionist says that is way too little (although as I said before, I admit my food choices this week are bad - part of being frustrated I guess).

    As to excercise, I run 5 miles a day 4 times a week at a pace of 11:30 mile (at average heart rate of 150 being 42 years old, 6'2" and 285 lbs). Does that qualify as putting myself through the gauntlet on the treadmill? Or should I be stepping it up a notch? If so, can you suggest an actual value that would qualify?

    On the days I don't run I do 120 minutes of Salsa class on Tuedays, 30 minutes of circuit training and 30 minutes elliptical on Thursdays and 30 minutes of walking on Sundays.

    I really am looking for advice here, and I am willing to listen, but not if it goes contrary the advice of my nutritionist or doctor.
  • lloydrt
    lloydrt Posts: 1,121 Member
    actually Tim, I went back in your diary to the month of June, and again, you asked, but your sodium is really really high. Youre eating so much processed foods that are ladened with soduim and sugars......

    youd be blown away if you only knew how much salt and sodium is injected in all the processed foods you buy from the store that comes in cans and boxes

    I plateaued for 4 months..........gain a pound, lose a pound, gain a pound, lose a pound........this went on for 19 weeks

    I increased my work out time and weights, more strength training , and my diet was always 800 mg or less of sodium for the last 3 months........I ve lost 30 lbs in the last 3 months following this routine

    was it easy, nope,,lol, ...........more like hell

    but again, most of my food consisted of fruits , vegs, lots of beans, ie, pinto beans and every other day I d eat BBQ chiicken breasts, and also made sure I had good protien .ie, yogurt and eggs............it paid off

    Also, Im not eating all my exercise cals back. again, and this applied to me, I just didnt lose weight eating all my exercise cals back, I know some say to do it, which works for them, I tried, it didnt for me, so I have about 700 cals a day extra I just dont eat and it worked......

    I still need to lose my last 20 and its now beginning to slow a bit, but its OK......Ill just have to eat more protein and force myself to do strentgh training , and less cardio. Also, at my gym they offer free Yoga, so Im doing that 2 times a week as well as 6 times a week I go to the gym for 1.5 - 2 hours..............thats whats working for me and again, Im not a professional, its just what I did to break that dam plateau...........add me as your friend , and if I can help, please message me...............best wishes, Lloyd
  • mislove68
    mislove68 Posts: 240
    Eating lean protein, I eat like 10oz of meat for dinner!
    Eat greek yogurt!
    Eat raw almonds unsalted (these are great for a snack and lots of calories)
    If you are going to have any breads have 100% whole wheat.
    Eat brown rice, I buy the birds eye that you can find frozen and you just microwave
    fresh fruit!
    Frozen vegi's never canned!
    I make the same things for all my meals all the time so when I shop each week I tend to buy the same stuff. I make homemade taco, pizza, and cookies!

    Also plan out your meal maybe the night before or in the morning so you are strict on knowing what you will eat.

    I dont eat my calories back per say, I eat like 1290 (that little above my BMR) on days I dont workout, and 1500-1600 on days I do (which is pretty much eating them back)
  • AtticusFinch
    AtticusFinch Posts: 1,262 Member
    Tim

    Your 'snacks' look more like mini-meals to me. Try cutting out 3 of the six meals per day you're consuming for a start, and then start looking at healthier alternatives for your proper meals.

    I'm British so I don't know what the dish entails exactly, but 'Biscuits and gravy' for breakfast doesn't sound very wholesome.

    Good luck
  • tim_jennings
    tim_jennings Posts: 172 Member
    @lloydrt and @mislove68 Thank you for the specific suggestions on high protien low sodium foods. This is exactly the kind of thing I can "sink my teeth into" so to speak.

    Do you think I am excercising too much, too little, or just need to mix it up. Keeping in mind I do need to focus on the half marathon in October, so running has got to be part of my routine.
  • MinnieInMaine
    MinnieInMaine Posts: 6,400 Member
    On top of the advice that misslove and lloyd gave you, I think it's time for you to start paying more attention to your food labels. It can take a few extra minutes in the grocery store but can really pay off. It's amazing to me how 2-3 different brands of the same food can be really quite different. For instance, I was comparing rice pilaf mixes between Uncle Ben's and Rice a Roni and you'd think they'd be about the same but not at all! Same with spaghetti sauces - I was amazed that the cheap Hunt's brand actually had less calories than Prego. Cereals and breads can have tons of sodium too so check your labels on those too.

    If you find the frozen hamburg patties are convenient, just buy your own hamburg, make up some patties, put a little square of wax paper between them to keep them from sticking together and pop them in a freezer bag or plastic food container.
  • mislove68
    mislove68 Posts: 240
    I am not a runner so I know training for it does involve alot of running. Maybe you should try running on some inclines. That will help you training and be harder. Are you running at the gym? I would say you need to for sure add in some strength training. Cardio is Cardio its great for the heart but doesnt really build muscles.

    Did you know that having more muscles burns more calories just by sitting on the couch?

    Also search for posts from stroutman81. He has alot of great advice!!!!!!

    Oh yes and adding in beans is great way for more calories too. Buy a bag boil them yourself and then add them to your meals!
  • mislove68
    mislove68 Posts: 240
    On top of the advice that misslove and lloyd gave you, I think it's time for you to start paying more attention to your food labels. It can take a few extra minutes in the grocery store but can really pay off. It's amazing to me how 2-3 different brands of the same food can be really quite different. For instance, I was comparing rice pilaf mixes between Uncle Ben's and Rice a Roni and you'd think they'd be about the same but not at all! Same with spaghetti sauces - I was amazed that the cheap Hunt's brand actually had less calories than Prego. Cereals and breads can have tons of sodium too so check your labels on those too.

    If you find the frozen hamburg patties are convenient, just buy your own hamburg, make up some patties, put a little square of wax paper between them to keep them from sticking together and pop them in a freezer bag or plastic food container.

    Omg you are sooo right, look at food labels really pays off. after awhile you will get the hang of it, my hubby got annoyed with me for awhile but now he understands. Like now I know to buy frozen rice instead of out of the box because no sodium. And I know market pantry cheese is lower sodium.
  • lloydrt
    lloydrt Posts: 1,121 Member
    Tim, when it comes to exercise, for the first 8 months of my journey/plan I only cardio, d.......meainging, I was too fat to exercise, so I would just use the treadmill..........finally, lost about 70 lbs ,and thought I d lift some weights, just a few
    I was kinda embarrased at the gym, but people didnt even look, lol, and it was ALL IN MY HEAD, so I would just use some free weights and then about 9 months later, I started using the bi/tri weight machines, the ones that you use to build up your bicepts and tricepts, then I d use the leg machines and got pretty good.........then gradually increased the weights

    now Im doing Core, more lunges, planks, sit ups, and not as much cardio, and believe it or not, its paying off.........yoga is killing me, lol, for one hour I sweat like a pig, but I feel so good the next day, all my muscles ache, but I know its paying off

    Im at 212 lbs, lost about 145 so far and all my muscles are tighter now, very little loose skin. Im bulking up and really feel good, as well as now I dont take ANY meds,
    read my bio, it lets you know how I have done this and what I went thru..........you seem focused, just noticed that you were like me, I was buying low cal, low fat and little did I know that all that low cal was just loaded with TONS of sodium and salt

    Add me as a friend, if I can help you.........again, Im not a professional or a nutriotionist, mine is trial and error, but thank goodness its finally paying off on this darn plateau business............best wishes, Lloyd
  • TayJoMama
    TayJoMama Posts: 348 Member
    I was amazed that the cheap Hunt's brand actually had less calories than Prego. Cereals and breads can have tons of sodium too so check your labels on those too.
    I totally agree about the spaghetti sauce. I was amazed also especially since I cook it about once a week for the family.

    Be sure to drink your water Tim! like Lloyd, I've found that eating all my exercise cals worked in the beginning, but actually worked against me as I got more fit. I think that's something you'll have to play around with and find what works for you. Also nuts are a good source for making up calories, but not adding a lot of sugar and sodium. Good luck on your marathon!
  • audall
    audall Posts: 7
    If you really want to push through to the next level, crossfit and paleo diet are bound to have an impact. If you can find a local crossfit gym, that will whoop your a*s into shape no problem. You'll spend the same amount of time running/working out, but it will be much more intense and challenging. And there's all sort so theories out there on diet etc. For me, paleo diet has worked well. If all the carbs you're eating aren't veggies...i would say that the carbs would be your culprit. Hope that's helpful.
  • lloydrt
    lloydrt Posts: 1,121 Member
    tajomama, youre right.................I used to eat back all my exercise cals and that worked in the beginning, but then my weight loss just kinda slowed to a crawl..........so I trial and error to find out why

    I experimented with not eating exercise cals and low and behold, I lost 30 lbs in 3 months, after plateauing for 18 weeks........Im about 19 lbs from my goal weight , Im at a 28.9 or so BMI, not that I really have any faith in that, but its kinda cool to be just overweight and not morbidly obese, like I was last Feb, 2010............

    plateaus are hell, they can make or break you.......just keep focused, dont give up and know it will pass........again, for 18 weeks ,I lost nothing, then within 11 weeks I lost 30 lbs..........go figure...................thanks mama, yours is a great post...........Lloyd
  • deb54
    deb54 Posts: 270 Member
    Great advice !!! Bump
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