naturopathic doctor experiences
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ronjsteele1 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »When a thread is entitled, "Naturopath doctor experiences" and openly solicits good/bad observations, that's pretty much what's going to occur.
Anyone is free to buy into whatever they think works for them, even if any benefit is mainly or entirely placebo-induced. But simply because many posts do not line up with Naturopathy being a viable practice does not in and of itself make them rude for saying so.
It does, however, make them honest.
The difference is in what side of the discussion the person reading those posts approaches it from. The issue often lies not in the content, but in the interpretation.
I would say the issue is the "tone of voice" that things are said with. Disagreements will forever occur and no two people will ever believe exactly the same things. But there is no illusion that when people are saying what they believe (usually disagreeing with anything natural) that there is any amount of civility most of the time.
Tone of voice on the internet is generally inferred. I didn't read any posts with any particularly rude tone. I did read a couple posts with a distinct offended tone, but pretty sure I inferred much of that.
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ronjsteele1 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »When a thread is entitled, "Naturopath doctor experiences" and openly solicits good/bad observations, that's pretty much what's going to occur.
Anyone is free to buy into whatever they think works for them, even if any benefit is mainly or entirely placebo-induced. But simply because many posts do not line up with Naturopathy being a viable practice does not in and of itself make them rude for saying so.
It does, however, make them honest.
The difference is in what side of the discussion the person reading those posts approaches it from. The issue often lies not in the content, but in the interpretation.
I would say the issue is the "tone of voice" that things are said with. Disagreements will forever occur and no two people will ever believe exactly the same things. But there is no illusion that when people are saying what they believe (usually disagreeing with anything natural) that there is any amount of civility most of the time.
See, but here's the thing. There *is* no "tone of voice" in the written word. That part is entirely up to the interpretation of the person reading the words that were written.
And that's where personal bias enters the equation. Notice how the only people that call out a post for being "rude" are those who don't agree with the position stated. That's known as Interpretation Bias, and it happens all the time. 7 -
It isn't rude to the OP to say that "naturopathic" doctors are a scam, unless OP is in fact a naturopathic doctor.
So without being rude: Yeah, it's all BS. Nobody needs to see a doctor to lose weight; just eat fewer calories.5 -
ronjsteele1 wrote: »Sadly, it seems many do not know how to speak truth without being rude. There truly is a difference. I would agree with @VeganFaceHole. Most that express disagreement are rude. A number of times people have said up front, "I'm trying not to sound rude" or something along those lines and it does help the reader to try and read in the spirit that something is said.
I have seen people say, "I'm not trying to sound rude" as a sort of a pre-emptive get-out-of-jail-free card for the fact that they really *are* about to be rude.
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While I am a strong believer in the integration of traditional and alternative medicine, I have yet to find a GOOD doctor that practices both.
I went to an M.D. years ago that was also a naturopath. I went in with urinary tract infection symptoms. This doctor practiced iridology - diagnosis based on the appearance of your eyes. She prescribed antibiotics based on her eye examination. Thankfully, she also sent a specimen to the lab. It came back negative for infection. I did not go back to this doctor.5 -
ronjsteele1 wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »When a thread is entitled, "Naturopath doctor experiences" and openly solicits good/bad observations, that's pretty much what's going to occur.
Anyone is free to buy into whatever they think works for them, even if any benefit is mainly or entirely placebo-induced. But simply because many posts do not line up with Naturopathy being a viable practice does not in and of itself make them rude for saying so.
It does, however, make them honest.
The difference is in what side of the discussion the person reading those posts approaches it from. The issue often lies not in the content, but in the interpretation.
I would say the issue is the "tone of voice" that things are said with. Disagreements will forever occur and no two people will ever believe exactly the same things. But there is no illusion that when people are saying what they believe (usually disagreeing with anything natural) that there is any amount of civility most of the time.
If you "read" everything in the tone of voice of the Comic Book Guy from The Simpsons, MFP is more fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ammpNEhU34g 9 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »Be careful if they talk about homeopathic medicine as they must now state that it does not work, by law. I know the two are different, but just be careful about things like that.
Exactly. There is a difference between trying to stay as natural as possible and drinking shaken water for treatment.
Holistic/naturopathic -fine, do your own thing
Homeopathy-run for the hills
NEVER shake the water! :noway:
Shaken, not stirred for me.
ETA: What's this about water?
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nutmegoreo wrote: »Be careful if they talk about homeopathic medicine as they must now state that it does not work, by law. I know the two are different, but just be careful about things like that.
Exactly. There is a difference between trying to stay as natural as possible and drinking shaken water for treatment.
Holistic/naturopathic -fine, do your own thing
Homeopathy-run for the hills
NEVER shake the water! :noway:
Shaken, not stirred for me.
ETA: What's this about water?
You broke your water again, didn't you
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xmichaelyx wrote: »It isn't rude to the OP to say that "naturopathic" doctors are a scam, unless OP is in fact a naturopathic doctor.
So without being rude: Yeah, it's all BS. Nobody needs to see a doctor to lose weight; just eat fewer calories.
Well that's a load of horse hockey.....some people actually do have to see a doctor to lose weight0 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Be careful if they talk about homeopathic medicine as they must now state that it does not work, by law. I know the two are different, but just be careful about things like that.
Exactly. There is a difference between trying to stay as natural as possible and drinking shaken water for treatment.
Holistic/naturopathic -fine, do your own thing
Homeopathy-run for the hills
NEVER shake the water! :noway:
Shaken, not stirred for me.
ETA: What's this about water?
You broke your water again, didn't you
Always loved the German saying, "wasser ist nur zum waschen" - (Water is for washing only).
Secondsies on the martini?5 -
IF she hands you two nails with wires that go into a laptop, laugh and run away.
Also: The "Food sensitivity" report is likely going to be hooey. Just know that. The blood tests they run won't detect real food sensitivities, and the "labs" that naturopaths use pretty much find whatever makes the naturopath money.
This isn't completely accurate in all cases. I went to an naturopath MD (the MD bit is probably the key here) and he ran standard IGe food allergy testing on me straight from quest labs. I'm allergic to wheat (not gluten) casein (turns out I'm find with a2 milk) egg whites and yolks and pumpkin. The eggs I knew from violent reaction but the wheat explained random mystery hives throughout my life that no other Dr even bothered to look for.
I'd love to say this info has made some profound difference in my life but I'm just now getting serious about it 2 yrs after the fact and only because I had a life threatening reaction to something a month ago.
And one thing my naturopath, endo and pcp all agree on is I was incredibly low in Vit D at one point0 -
IF she hands you two nails with wires that go into a laptop, laugh and run away.
Also: The "Food sensitivity" report is likely going to be hooey. Just know that. The blood tests they run won't detect real food sensitivities, and the "labs" that naturopaths use pretty much find whatever makes the naturopath money.
Not entirely true. There are actual blood tests that test for allergies. I would reccomend an allergist to run those though, not a naturopath. My allergist runs blood allergy tests about every 3-4 years or when a new allergen is suspected.0 -
nutmegoreo wrote: »nutmegoreo wrote: »Be careful if they talk about homeopathic medicine as they must now state that it does not work, by law. I know the two are different, but just be careful about things like that.
Exactly. There is a difference between trying to stay as natural as possible and drinking shaken water for treatment.
Holistic/naturopathic -fine, do your own thing
Homeopathy-run for the hills
NEVER shake the water! :noway:
Shaken, not stirred for me.
ETA: What's this about water?
You broke your water again, didn't you
Always loved the German saying, "wasser ist nur zum waschen" - (Water is for washing only).
Secondsies on the martini?
I thought that was a warning that the water wasn't safe for drinking, not a "saying" opposing the idea of mixing your liquor with water.0 -
"anyone who tells me this is fraud is being mean."
This (you have to be "polite" to manipulative *kitten* artists) is how we wound up with people actually thinking that there is an even debate on climate change. "Oh, we let someone talk about science. So now we have to give some charlatan equal time and be nice to them and pretend their beliefs are equally likely to be true and equally relevant to the world."
Suddenly "equal time" and "fairness" are making it look like there are two sides that have even weight.
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