My Body did kick into Starvation mode

Derameth
Derameth Posts: 58 Member
edited September 29 in Health and Weight Loss
So I joined MFP last week. A good friend of my daughters (Both of them are Personal Fitness Trainers) suggested this site because I was stuck at losing about 90 lbs. I wanted to lose an additional 20 lbs, and could not seem to get past this hump. I felt great, on one level that I could maintain my weight, something I hadn't done since I 'maintained' my 290lb+ body weight for a long time.

Let me first note that I had increased my work out to see if that could jump start this last 20 lbs. I went from about 5 hours of cardio a week to 9 hours... increased weight training to everyday. The Trainer suggested MFP because she said I was not eating enough...


NOT EATING ENOUGH??? WHAT? omg....all my life I was eating too much...and now someone tells me to EAT MORE and MORE OFTEN....I swear I was conflicted....part of me was saying "NO NO NO NONON" If you eat more you will gain weight...and another part was saying...aha...more food... you know sorta like the devil on one shoulder and the angel on the other..

Since coming here, I have lost 1.6 lbs in a week, and am eating back almost EVERY calorie that I am allowed. My body DID kick into starvation mode....Holding on to everything...

So if anyone ever asked me if you should eat back your exercise calories....you are gonna get a "HELLS YEAH" from me. It is working...and I am never really hungry.

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  • NikkisNewStart
    NikkisNewStart Posts: 1,075 Member
    Yup!! The closer I got to goal, the more calories I had to consume. I always ate every exercise calorie but as my fitness level improved, my body fat lowered, my body needed more 'base calories' to get by. If I remember correctly, I went from 1200 to 1360 to 1450 to 1630 and am now at maintenance at 1810. These numbers are my net goal so I often eat close to 2200-2300 on exercise days. Love It.
  • juliapurpletoes
    juliapurpletoes Posts: 951 Member
    Me too!
  • Dtho5159
    Dtho5159 Posts: 1,054 Member
    Yes!! I know exactly what you mean.. When I joined, I was SHOCKED at how much I could eat and still lose.. I thought I had to eat next to nothing to get where I need to be but that's quite the opposite!! Im so glad you found us here :flowerforyou:
  • AnitaAntone
    AnitaAntone Posts: 177 Member
    awesome news! thanks for sharing,keep up your great work!
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  • mistyb47711
    mistyb47711 Posts: 861 Member
    I was wondering about that..Im glad that you put your story on here because that was my frame of mind....Everyone kept saying eat them but like I said I was in that exact frame of mind...Thank you for sharing and you rock girl!!
  • BetterWithAge
    BetterWithAge Posts: 691 Member
    That is awesome, but what scares me is that I have burned as many as 1800 in a day, add that to the 1200 minimum and I am looking at eating 3000 calories in a day. That just sounds like WAY too much. I have really struggled with eating back the calories burned and am completely frustrated. I fell like I am bingeing, did you have the same feeling?
  • Shrinking_Xtina
    Shrinking_Xtina Posts: 478 Member
    Man today I decided to start doing this and I have to say I'm scared as hell! The thought of gaining again terrifies me but I'm going to give this eating exercise calories back a try because my weight hasn't been moving much and fluctuating. Thanks for the reassurance!
  • Derameth
    Derameth Posts: 58 Member
    Man today I decided to start doing this and I have to say I'm scared as hell! The thought of gaining again terrifies me but I'm going to give this eating exercise calories back a try because my weight hasn't been moving much and fluctuating. Thanks for the reassurance!


    I know, I was afraid too.... and I even gained about .6 lbs the first day...but stay with it...I had been starving my poor body... I just said, I'd try it for two weeks and if it didn't work I had nothing to lose....but wait....I did...weight. *lol*

    Let me know how it goes for you...

    Dee
  • llkilgore
    llkilgore Posts: 1,169 Member
    Several weeks back I upped my consumption of exercise calories from about 2/3rds to 100% as step one of my transition to maintenance, expecting to see some leveling off of my rate of weight loss. There hasn't been one. The only difference is that I feel better. I can't say I'm less hungry because I wasn't hungry before, but I do have more energy. And I'm only about 7lbs away from my most optimistic weight goal (what I weighed when I graduated from high school) and there's still no sign of a plateau. In retrospect it seems that eating back 2/3rds of my exercise calories was enough to keep me out of starvation mode, but it wasn't optimal.
  • mycatas
    mycatas Posts: 20
    bump!
  • sleepytexan
    sleepytexan Posts: 3,138 Member
    yes yes. Same thing happened to me. I had gained a "mystery" 10 lbs. in Apr. 2010 (same time I added an extra 3 hours/week workout without eating more), and couldn't lose it for a year. In May 2011 I added another 35 mile ride/week and guess what--added 5 more pounds. I was beside myself . . . until I discovered MFP and realized the same thing. I was not eating enough. Boom. 13 of those 15 pounds are now gone :)

    EAT UP!!
  • jklovesmb
    jklovesmb Posts: 8
    Please help me understand this. The more you lost, the more you needed to eat? I've been losing weight for a little over a yr now and have lost 75 lbs, so I'm down to 129 now. The last 2 months I've hit a plateau, not really losing, not really gaining... I eat around 1300 calories a day. In your opinion, is that too few? I joined this website and I like that it gives me extra calories to eat when I put in my exercise, but must admit I haven't really used them because I feel like I will gain weight that way. Your advice would be appreciated.
  • sleepytexan
    sleepytexan Posts: 3,138 Member
    Please help me understand this. The more you lost, the more you needed to eat? I've been losing weight for a little over a yr now and have lost 75 lbs, so I'm down to 129 now. The last 2 months I've hit a plateau, not really losing, not really gaining... I eat around 1300 calories a day. In your opinion, is that too few? I joined this website and I like that it gives me extra calories to eat when I put in my exercise, but must admit I haven't really used them because I feel like I will gain weight that way. Your advice would be appreciated.

    read the first post of this thread link:
    http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/196502-for-the-people-who-work-out-like-crazy-and-are-not-losing?hl=for+people+who+work+out+like+crazy

    It's what put the light bulb on for me!

    blessings.
  • Derameth
    Derameth Posts: 58 Member
    Not necessarily the more you lost the more you need to eat....it's really relative to expenditure of calories. When you are 100 lbs over weight (like I was) Left over calories were fine...the closer you get your your ideal/goal weight the more you have to tweak the system.

    Now you become like everyone else.... Your body starts to store up calories (=fat) because you have used up most stores of your fat that you used when you were heavier. It will break down your muscles if you don't replenish the calories burned in exercise...

    SOOOOOO EAT EAT EAT (healthy and as clean as possible) But use those calories. Keep feeding your cells...they will reweard you on the scale!
  • joejccva71
    joejccva71 Posts: 2,985 Member
    To ensure that you don't plateau and you don't run the risk of getting into starvation mode, you should eat at NO MORE than a 1000 calorie deficit below your maintenance. This will allow you to lose a safe 2lbs per week without gainng that weight back later.
  • xraychick77
    xraychick77 Posts: 1,775 Member
    ya so starvation mode means nothing.
    what actually happens is your body adapts..as you said you adjusted and lost weight. thats all there is to it.

    your body will use what it has to survive..it doesnt store anything..that makes no sense whatsoever..and this whole idea is the most over preached myth in diet circles.

    technically if you are eating at a calorie deficit you are starving your body.. your body (depending on age, activity level, hormones etc) needs to use a certain amount of calories and nutrients to survive at the optimum. if you are 120 lbs and active you probably need to eat at least 1800 cals a day to be at your optimum. if you eat less than that and burn more, your body isnt going to store anything. because it needs to USE what you intake to function. from there it uses fat, muscle etc to function. that is how we lose weight. it makes NO sense for your body to store anything, because then all it is doing to itself is making itself 'starve' more. learn the facts before you believe what is just preached around..just because a lot of people believe it doesnt make it true.
  • joejccva71
    joejccva71 Posts: 2,985 Member
    Some claim that that your body will go into 'starvation mode' if you eat too few calories, preventing you from losing weight and that trying to lose weight by eating fewer calories doesn't work. There is no doubt that the body slows metabolic rate when you reduce calories or lose weight/fat.

    There are at least two mechanisms for this:

    One is simply the loss in body mass. A smaller body burns fewer calories at rest and during activity. There's not much you can do about that except maybe wear a weighted vest to offset the weight loss, this would help you burn more calories during activity. However, there's an additional effect sometimes referred to as the adaptive component of metabolic rate. Roughly, that means that your metabolic rate has dropped more than predicted by the change in weight.

    So if the change in body mass predicts a drop in metabolic rate of 100 calories and the measured drop is 150 calories, the extra 50 is the adaptive component. The mechanisms behind the drop are complex involving changes in leptin, thyroid, insulin and nervous system output (this system is discussed to some degree in all of my books except my first one).

    In general, it's true that metabolic rate tends to drop more with more excessive caloric deficits (and this is true whether the effect is from eating less or exercising more); as well, people vary in how hard or fast their bodies shut down. Women's bodies tend to shut down harder and faster.

    But here's the thing: in no study I've ever seen has the drop in metabolic rate been sufficient to completely offset the caloric deficit. That is, say that cutting your calories by 50% per day leads to a reduction in the metabolic rate of 10%. Starvation mode you say. Well, yes. But you still have a 40% daily deficit.

    In one of the all-time classic studies (the Minnesota semi-starvation study), men were put on 50% of their maintenance calories for 6 months. It measured the largest reduction in metabolic rate I've ever seen, something like 40% below baseline. Yet at no point did the men stop losing fat until they hit 5% body fat at the end of the study.

    Other studies, where people are put on strictly controlled diets have never, to my knowledge, failed to acknowledge weight or fat loss.

    This goes back to the under-reporting intake issue mentioned above. I suspect that the people who say, "I'm eating 800 calories per day and not losing weight; it must be a starvation response" are actually eating far more than that and misreporting or underestimating it. Because no controlled study that I'm aware of has ever found such an occurrence.

    So I think the starvation response (a drop in metabolic rate) is certainly real but somewhat overblown. At the same time, I have often seen things like re-feeds or even taking a week off a diet do some interesting things when people are stalled. One big problem is that, quite often, weekly weight or fat loss is simply obscured by the error margin in our measurements.

    Losing between 0.5 and 1 pound of fat per week won't show up on the scale or calipers unless someone is very lean, and changes in water weight, etc. can easily obscure that. Women are far more sensitive to this. Their weight can swing drastically across a month's span depending on their menstrual cycle.

    Thing is this, at the end of the day, to lose weight or fat, you have to create a caloric deficit, there's no magical way to make it happen without affecting energy balance. You either have to reduce food intake, increase activity, or a combination of both.
  • Derameth
    Derameth Posts: 58 Member
    Well one can call it "storing" or not....I know for a fact, that I was taking in less than I was expending and NOT Losing weight. I don't think of it in terms of really "storing" I think joejccva71 was right and said it more clearly....your metabolism slows down saving what it can to perform those functions.

    All I know is for 6 months I hit a plateau and when I kick started my metabolism by eating back some of the calories I burned I started to lose weight again.

    I suppose eventually if you stop eating and you live in a caloric deficit you will lose weight. Eating 800 calories/day will allow you to lose weight, but then two things happen, First when you start to eat again, like a normal person, even a dieting normal person, you will gain weight. Secondly, just what are you using to fuel your body? At some point the cells will break down to fuel the basic activities of living.

    Regardless of what is preached or not, I know from personal experience, that eating back my exercise calories, up to a point is working for me
  • sleepytexan
    sleepytexan Posts: 3,138 Member
    Well one can call it "storing" or not....I know for a fact, that I was taking in less than I was expending and NOT Losing weight. I don't think of it in terms of really "storing" I think joejccva71 was right and said it more clearly....your metabolism slows down saving what it can to perform those functions.

    All I know is for 6 months I hit a plateau and when I kick started my metabolism by eating back some of the calories I burned I started to lose weight again.

    I suppose eventually if you stop eating and you live in a caloric deficit you will lose weight. Eating 800 calories/day will allow you to lose weight, but then two things happen, First when you start to eat again, like a normal person, even a dieting normal person, you will gain weight. Secondly, just what are you using to fuel your body? At some point the cells will break down to fuel the basic activities of living.

    Regardless of what is preached or not, I know from personal experience, that eating back my exercise calories, up to a point is working for me

    You are right right right! and it's a beautiful thing! :)
  • sarad777
    sarad777 Posts: 210 Member
    I think the theory of eating back your calories might work while you're still losing, however, when you hit your goal number the fun begins! It's a constant game with my food. Up one day, down the next. yadda yadda I know if I eat more than 1300 calories a day I gain again...MFP thinks I should eat 1600 calories a day or more if I exercise.
  • Atlantique
    Atlantique Posts: 2,484 Member
    Well one can call it "storing" or not....I know for a fact, that I was taking in less than I was expending and NOT Losing weight. I don't think of it in terms of really "storing" I think joejccva71 was right and said it more clearly....your metabolism slows down saving what it can to perform those functions.

    All I know is for 6 months I hit a plateau and when I kick started my metabolism by eating back some of the calories I burned I started to lose weight again.

    I suppose eventually if you stop eating and you live in a caloric deficit you will lose weight. Eating 800 calories/day will allow you to lose weight, but then two things happen, First when you start to eat again, like a normal person, even a dieting normal person, you will gain weight. Secondly, just what are you using to fuel your body? At some point the cells will break down to fuel the basic activities of living.

    Regardless of what is preached or not, I know from personal experience, that eating back my exercise calories, up to a point is working for me

    Bodies that are severely underfed tend to burn much more muscle than they should. Both because of the insufficient caloric intake and because severe underfeeding almost guarantees poor nutrition.

    That's a really bad cycle, as your percentage of bodyfat may rise while you lean body mass drops.
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