The Nutritarian Lifestyle for Health
illyasHodrick
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I think his approach is the best paradigm of what we should be eating for optimal health. Foods high in micrinutrients,anti oxidants, fiber, low growth hormones . Refined grains, processed foods, and meats are the antithesis of that.
https://youtu.be/RwF3BfbZdLU
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I prefer a large amount of growth hormone in my food.
*double bicep*5 -
I include all of that in my diet.
Even the antitheses, in moderation.
Works for me.3 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »I include all of that in my diet.
Even the antitheses, in moderation.
Works for me.
I have a very all or nothing personality. I can't have any of that stuff in my house or I'll eat it. I have had far more success setting that boundary in the past year than I have had with moderation. My taste buds can't handle how jazzed up most foods are now.0 -
illyasHodrick wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »I include all of that in my diet.
Even the antitheses, in moderation.
Works for me.
I have a very all or nothing personality. I can't have any of that stuff in my house or I'll eat it. I have had far more success setting that boundary in the past year than I have had with moderation. My taste buds can't handle how jazzed up most foods are now.
Good job finding what works for you! *high five*2 -
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I have a low tolerance for fearmongering, so I cut that out of my diet
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illyasHodrick wrote: »
Not much we can do about aging, nutritarian diet or not. Lots of countries out there with low access to "Refined grains, processed foods, and meats" that haven't uncovered the fountain of youth.kommodevaran wrote: »I have a low tolerance for fearmongering, so I cut that out of my diet
Me, too!3 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »illyasHodrick wrote: »
Not much we can do about aging, nutritarian diet or not. Lots of countries out there with low access to "Refined grains, processed foods, and meats" that haven't uncovered the fountain of youth.
Not true. It does accelerate aging and cancers.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4095988/0 -
kommodevaran wrote: »I have a low tolerance for fearmongering, so I cut that out of my diet
Fear mongering? More of a wake up call. We have a health epidemic in this country. Trillions wasted in diet related health care. 99.9% of it preventable. It'll get worse In the coming decades. That's not fear mongering, that's reality.0 -
illyasHodrick wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »illyasHodrick wrote: »
Not much we can do about aging, nutritarian diet or not. Lots of countries out there with low access to "Refined grains, processed foods, and meats" that haven't uncovered the fountain of youth.
Not true. It does accelerate aging and cancers.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4095988/
Directly from the abstract of your study:Studies in mammals have led to the suggestion that hyperglycemia and hyperinsulinemia are important factors in aging.
You can include your "antithesis" foods without inducing hyperglycemia/hyperinsulinemia. Diabetes is a medical condition that is obviously going to take a toll on your health in more ways than one, especially when paired with obesity, sedentary lifestyle, and poor diet.
However, you can maintain a balanced diet and healthy weight while still including refined grains, meat, and processed foods. The key is understanding dosage and context and finding a balance that works for you.5 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »illyasHodrick wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »illyasHodrick wrote: »
Not much we can do about aging, nutritarian diet or not. Lots of countries out there with low access to "Refined grains, processed foods, and meats" that haven't uncovered the fountain of youth.
Not true. It does accelerate aging and cancers.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4095988/
Directly from the abstract of your study:Studies in mammals have led to the suggestion that hyperglycemia and hyperinsulinemia are important factors in aging.
You can include your "antithesis" foods without inducing hyperglycemia/hyperinsulinemia. Diabetes is a medical condition that is obviously going to take a toll on your health in more ways than one, especially when paired with obesity, sedentary lifestyle, and poor diet.
However, you can maintain a balanced diet and healthy weight while still including refined grains, meat, and processed foods. The key is understanding dosage and context and finding a balance that works for you.
The mammals in the study did not have hyperglycemia. Every time you eat the 'antithesis ' foods, you rev up those genes and hormones. Moderation kills.
Btw, what's moderation? It's very subjective, and will change depending on who you talk to. People are terrible at being moderate if our health crisis is any indication.1 -
Also I'm talking about health, not weight. You can be 5'10 150lbs and still have any diseases.0
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Meh, I'm in optimal health and I eat all sorts of 'processed' foods, as well as meat. I'm very happy with how I eat and I'm in excellent health with a bmi of around 21. I'm doing things in a way that's been sustainable for almost 4 years now and will continue to be sustainable for the next 40 2
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illyasHodrick wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »illyasHodrick wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »illyasHodrick wrote: »
Not much we can do about aging, nutritarian diet or not. Lots of countries out there with low access to "Refined grains, processed foods, and meats" that haven't uncovered the fountain of youth.
Not true. It does accelerate aging and cancers.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4095988/
Directly from the abstract of your study:Studies in mammals have led to the suggestion that hyperglycemia and hyperinsulinemia are important factors in aging.
You can include your "antithesis" foods without inducing hyperglycemia/hyperinsulinemia. Diabetes is a medical condition that is obviously going to take a toll on your health in more ways than one, especially when paired with obesity, sedentary lifestyle, and poor diet.
However, you can maintain a balanced diet and healthy weight while still including refined grains, meat, and processed foods. The key is understanding dosage and context and finding a balance that works for you.
The mammals in the study did not have hyperglycemia. Every time you eat the 'antithesis ' foods, you rev up those genes and hormones. Moderation kills.
Btw, what's moderation? It's very subjective, and will change depending on who you talk to. People are terrible at being moderate if our health crisis is any indication.
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Also, Dr. Fuhrman charges people money just to get access to many of the things on his website, which is 'interesting'. I have read his book though, which I borrowed from the library, and yeah-not impressed
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illyasHodrick wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »illyasHodrick wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »illyasHodrick wrote: »
Not much we can do about aging, nutritarian diet or not. Lots of countries out there with low access to "Refined grains, processed foods, and meats" that haven't uncovered the fountain of youth.
Not true. It does accelerate aging and cancers.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4095988/
Directly from the abstract of your study:Studies in mammals have led to the suggestion that hyperglycemia and hyperinsulinemia are important factors in aging.
You can include your "antithesis" foods without inducing hyperglycemia/hyperinsulinemia. Diabetes is a medical condition that is obviously going to take a toll on your health in more ways than one, especially when paired with obesity, sedentary lifestyle, and poor diet.
However, you can maintain a balanced diet and healthy weight while still including refined grains, meat, and processed foods. The key is understanding dosage and context and finding a balance that works for you.
The mammals in the study did not have hyperglycemia. Every time you eat the 'antithesis ' foods, you rev up those genes and hormones. Moderation kills.
Btw, what's moderation? It's very subjective, and will change depending on who you talk to. People are terrible at being moderate if our health crisis is any indication.
Moderation as usually used on these forums means meeting your nutrient goals with mostly nutrient-dense foods while incorporating foods that you enjoy without exceeding your calorie goals. If you're doing it this way, it's hard to overeat any one thing to the point that it impacts your health.
If you're maintaining an overall healthy diet, having a Twinkie once in a while will not hurt anything, nor will a beer, a cookie, a glass of wine, a frozen mac & cheese - you get the idea.
It is clear that with the obesity epidemic that people are bad at moderating intake, but that includes intake of all foods.
Vilifying a certain food or food group is just not rational. Overall intake needs to be monitored for both weight and health.3 -
jessiferrrb wrote: »illyasHodrick wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »illyasHodrick wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »illyasHodrick wrote: »
Not much we can do about aging, nutritarian diet or not. Lots of countries out there with low access to "Refined grains, processed foods, and meats" that haven't uncovered the fountain of youth.
Not true. It does accelerate aging and cancers.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4095988/
Directly from the abstract of your study:Studies in mammals have led to the suggestion that hyperglycemia and hyperinsulinemia are important factors in aging.
You can include your "antithesis" foods without inducing hyperglycemia/hyperinsulinemia. Diabetes is a medical condition that is obviously going to take a toll on your health in more ways than one, especially when paired with obesity, sedentary lifestyle, and poor diet.
However, you can maintain a balanced diet and healthy weight while still including refined grains, meat, and processed foods. The key is understanding dosage and context and finding a balance that works for you.
The mammals in the study did not have hyperglycemia. Every time you eat the 'antithesis ' foods, you rev up those genes and hormones. Moderation kills.
Btw, what's moderation? It's very subjective, and will change depending on who you talk to. People are terrible at being moderate if our health crisis is any indication.
The glycemic index.
The American public.0 -
crzycatlady1 wrote: »Also, Dr. Fuhrman charges people money just to get access to many of the things on his website, which is 'interesting'. I have read his book though, which I borrowed from the library, and yeah-not impressed
You can't get everything for free. Lol0 -
I thought "nutritarians" were people who only eat nuts.3
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Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »illyasHodrick wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »illyasHodrick wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »illyasHodrick wrote: »
Not much we can do about aging, nutritarian diet or not. Lots of countries out there with low access to "Refined grains, processed foods, and meats" that haven't uncovered the fountain of youth.
Not true. It does accelerate aging and cancers.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4095988/
Directly from the abstract of your study:Studies in mammals have led to the suggestion that hyperglycemia and hyperinsulinemia are important factors in aging.
You can include your "antithesis" foods without inducing hyperglycemia/hyperinsulinemia. Diabetes is a medical condition that is obviously going to take a toll on your health in more ways than one, especially when paired with obesity, sedentary lifestyle, and poor diet.
However, you can maintain a balanced diet and healthy weight while still including refined grains, meat, and processed foods. The key is understanding dosage and context and finding a balance that works for you.
The mammals in the study did not have hyperglycemia. Every time you eat the 'antithesis ' foods, you rev up those genes and hormones. Moderation kills.
Btw, what's moderation? It's very subjective, and will change depending on who you talk to. People are terrible at being moderate if our health crisis is any indication.
Moderation as usually used on these forums means meeting your nutrient goals with mostly nutrient-dense foods while incorporating foods that you enjoy without exceeding your calorie goals. If you're doing it this way, it's hard to overeat any one thing to the point that it impacts your health.
If you're maintaining an overall healthy diet, having a Twinkie once in a while will not hurt anything, nor will a beer, a cookie, a glass of wine, a frozen mac & cheese - you get the idea.
It is clear that with the obesity epidemic that people are bad at moderating intake, but that includes intake of all foods.
Vilifying a certain food or food group is just not rational. Overall intake needs to be monitored for both weight and health.
I just don't know many people who are moderate. Most people don't even eat enough vegetables and fruits.
Im not interested in merely slowing disease, rather, nutritional excellence.
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Carrie Fisher didn't have her heart attack until later; it's long term.crzycatlady1 wrote: »Meh, I'm in optimal health and I eat all sorts of 'processed' foods, as well as meat. I'm very happy with how I eat and I'm in excellent health with a bmi of around 21. I'm doing things in a way that's been sustainable for almost 4 years now and will continue to be sustainable for the next 40
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Surely this is only regurgitating (and charging for) knowing what we've always known for hundreds of years? Prior to the industrial revolution and the evolution of processing, canning and other methods of food preservation and development; we always ate foods which were fibre-rich and by proxy unprocessed. Grains were in their natural form, rather than bleached and refined and sugars were derived from natural sources rather than again being refined. We're lucky to live in an age where we can choose the way in which we eat. I believe that eating whole foods with minimal processing (don't forget cooking a product itself is a form of processing as it changes the natural state of the ingredient and therefore the micronutrient properties) is the optimal way to eat, although living in the modern age with time constraints, economic pressures and the acclimatisation of modern taste towards more sugary foods all affects our ability to do so. I'm very much a believer of the philosophy that health begins and ends with diet. Of course, there are many many other factors affecting individuals becoming ill - heredity and environmental factors to name a few but equally health can be improved and maintained if an individuals diet is healthy and comprised of 'real' sources of food.1
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illyasHodrick wrote: »The glycemic index.
The American public.
The glycemic index is bunk and only holds true if you eat a particular food by itself - it does not take into account the effect of combining foods and consuming them together. How many times do you eat a single food entity (like bread) as your whole meal?
As to Dr Fuhrman - I was looking at the webpage that describes his diet and the book that goes with it and stopped at the quote 'Detoxifying your body' - nope, don't need any more woo peddlers around here.3 -
illyasHodrick wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »illyasHodrick wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »illyasHodrick wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »illyasHodrick wrote: »
Not much we can do about aging, nutritarian diet or not. Lots of countries out there with low access to "Refined grains, processed foods, and meats" that haven't uncovered the fountain of youth.
Not true. It does accelerate aging and cancers.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4095988/
Directly from the abstract of your study:Studies in mammals have led to the suggestion that hyperglycemia and hyperinsulinemia are important factors in aging.
You can include your "antithesis" foods without inducing hyperglycemia/hyperinsulinemia. Diabetes is a medical condition that is obviously going to take a toll on your health in more ways than one, especially when paired with obesity, sedentary lifestyle, and poor diet.
However, you can maintain a balanced diet and healthy weight while still including refined grains, meat, and processed foods. The key is understanding dosage and context and finding a balance that works for you.
The mammals in the study did not have hyperglycemia. Every time you eat the 'antithesis ' foods, you rev up those genes and hormones. Moderation kills.
Btw, what's moderation? It's very subjective, and will change depending on who you talk to. People are terrible at being moderate if our health crisis is any indication.
Moderation as usually used on these forums means meeting your nutrient goals with mostly nutrient-dense foods while incorporating foods that you enjoy without exceeding your calorie goals. If you're doing it this way, it's hard to overeat any one thing to the point that it impacts your health.
If you're maintaining an overall healthy diet, having a Twinkie once in a while will not hurt anything, nor will a beer, a cookie, a glass of wine, a frozen mac & cheese - you get the idea.
It is clear that with the obesity epidemic that people are bad at moderating intake, but that includes intake of all foods.
Vilifying a certain food or food group is just not rational. Overall intake needs to be monitored for both weight and health.
I just don't know many people who are moderate. Most people don't even eat enough vegetables and fruits.
Im not interested in merely slowing disease, rather, nutritional excellence.
"nutritional excellence"
I wish you luck on your path to finding the perfect diet.
I'll enjoy my occasional indulgence, since none of us are getting out of this world alive.4 -
illyasHodrick wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »illyasHodrick wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »illyasHodrick wrote: »
Not much we can do about aging, nutritarian diet or not. Lots of countries out there with low access to "Refined grains, processed foods, and meats" that haven't uncovered the fountain of youth.
Not true. It does accelerate aging and cancers.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4095988/
Directly from the abstract of your study:Studies in mammals have led to the suggestion that hyperglycemia and hyperinsulinemia are important factors in aging.
You can include your "antithesis" foods without inducing hyperglycemia/hyperinsulinemia. Diabetes is a medical condition that is obviously going to take a toll on your health in more ways than one, especially when paired with obesity, sedentary lifestyle, and poor diet.
However, you can maintain a balanced diet and healthy weight while still including refined grains, meat, and processed foods. The key is understanding dosage and context and finding a balance that works for you.
The mammals in the study did not have hyperglycemia. Every time you eat the 'antithesis ' foods, you rev up those genes and hormones. Moderation kills.
Btw, what's moderation? It's very subjective, and will change depending on who you talk to. People are terrible at being moderate if our health crisis is any indication.
The SAD is anything but moderation.
My diet consists primarily of whole foods and I cook most of my meals using scratch, whole ingredients or minimally processed food goods like canned tomatoes, etc...I usually take my boys out for pizza on Saturdays after their soccer and football games...ie moderation. Eating pizza every single day...not moderation.
I generally take in around 4-6 servings of veg daily...a serving or two of fruit...lentils and legumes, oats, whole food starches like potatoes and sweet potatoes and other root vegetables are staples...I eat mostly fish and chicken as "meat" goes, etc, etc, etc...I think I'll be ok taking the fam out for pizza once a week and having my ice cream on Friday night movie night.1 -
Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »"nutritional excellence"
I wish you luck on your path to finding the perfect diet.
I'll enjoy my occasional indulgence, since none of us are getting out of this world alive.
More like "woo excellence". Or, in the context of your image, "Woah, excellent!"
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illyasHodrick wrote: »jessiferrrb wrote: »illyasHodrick wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »illyasHodrick wrote: »Alyssa_Is_LosingIt wrote: »illyasHodrick wrote: »
Not much we can do about aging, nutritarian diet or not. Lots of countries out there with low access to "Refined grains, processed foods, and meats" that haven't uncovered the fountain of youth.
Not true. It does accelerate aging and cancers.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4095988/
Directly from the abstract of your study:Studies in mammals have led to the suggestion that hyperglycemia and hyperinsulinemia are important factors in aging.
You can include your "antithesis" foods without inducing hyperglycemia/hyperinsulinemia. Diabetes is a medical condition that is obviously going to take a toll on your health in more ways than one, especially when paired with obesity, sedentary lifestyle, and poor diet.
However, you can maintain a balanced diet and healthy weight while still including refined grains, meat, and processed foods. The key is understanding dosage and context and finding a balance that works for you.
The mammals in the study did not have hyperglycemia. Every time you eat the 'antithesis ' foods, you rev up those genes and hormones. Moderation kills.
Btw, what's moderation? It's very subjective, and will change depending on who you talk to. People are terrible at being moderate if our health crisis is any indication.
The glycemic index.
The American public.
People eat too much and don't move enough. It has nothing to do with anything else. You don't start a movement, get a creepy logo and sell books with that philosophy though.4 -
illyasHodrick wrote: »
Carrie Fisher didn't have her heart attack until later; it's long term.crzycatlady1 wrote: »Meh, I'm in optimal health and I eat all sorts of 'processed' foods, as well as meat. I'm very happy with how I eat and I'm in excellent health with a bmi of around 21. I'm doing things in a way that's been sustainable for almost 4 years now and will continue to be sustainable for the next 40
My latest blood test results (October) put my total cholesterol at a 143, HDL at 55, LDL at 84 and my cholesterol/HDL ratio came in at a 2.6 (anything under 5.0 is considered optimal). I'm at a very low risk for heart disease/heart attack.
Also-my glucose level was at a 95, which is in the normal range (it used to be much higher and I was labeled a prediabetic back before my weight loss), blood pressure was 102/74, waist circumference a 25 (taken by a medical professional) and a bmi of 21.
I no longer have any medical conditions, don't take any medications, my doctor is very pleased with where I'm at with all my health markers and I'm also one of the very few people who are successfully maintaining weight loss long term.
I refuse to live my life in fear of all the 'maybes'/'what ifs'. I'm in good physical health, have a healthy relationship with food, have a healthy outlook towards life/good mental health and I'm enjoying the way I eat. I have no need or desire to change anything
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illyasHodrick wrote: »
Carrie Fisher didn't have her heart attack until later; it's long term.crzycatlady1 wrote: »Meh, I'm in optimal health and I eat all sorts of 'processed' foods, as well as meat. I'm very happy with how I eat and I'm in excellent health with a bmi of around 21. I'm doing things in a way that's been sustainable for almost 4 years now and will continue to be sustainable for the next 40
And we assume that was mainly due to the fact that she may have eaten processed foods rather than her well documented, self-admitted, decades long struggle with drugs and alcohol8
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