Food as medicine
rkernan
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A thought for the day; think of your food as medicine or medicine may become your food!
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True! I love my naturopath because she corrects ailments with food. Food is healing
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I think I'll prescribe myself some ice cream.15
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...In the famous words of Hippocrates. I couldn't agree more. If we view the body through the eyes of chemistry, 99% of deseasss can be cured. Period. They've been using food sources for medicine longer than we've been using medicine. The only reason this approach to health isn't mainstream is because it can't be monetized. They haven't figured a way to rip me off purchasing Turmeric & Rosemary just yet. *Laughs while admiring huge turmeric jar in the cupboard*7
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If food sources worked so well to cure disease, I find it interesting that killer diseases that plagued humanity for centuries were only stopped with the advent of vaccines and modern medicine.18
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rileysowner wrote: »If food sources worked so well to cure disease, I find it interesting that killer diseases that plagued humanity for centuries were only stopped with the advent of vaccines and modern medicine.
You're missing the point. They both work.3 -
99%? I'm taking antibiotics for sinusitis today after combining a head cold with a plane landing followed by several nights with inadequate sleep. I'm unaware of a food substitute.
It's funny because just a few days ago I remember "liking" someone's post who advised us not to self medicate with food, referring of course, to using food as an anti-depressant.
If all you really mean is get adequate nutrition and don't over eat to avoid a plethora of possible health problems, then I'm with you 100%.10 -
Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »If food sources worked so well to cure disease, I find it interesting that killer diseases that plagued humanity for centuries were only stopped with the advent of vaccines and modern medicine.
You're missing the point. They both work.
No, I am not missing the point.7 -
I can get behind the idea of eating for a healthy you, but self-medicating with food helped me get fat. I still do it, but not as much or rather not with as much high calorie food.5
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rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »If food sources worked so well to cure disease, I find it interesting that killer diseases that plagued humanity for centuries were only stopped with the advent of vaccines and modern medicine.
You're missing the point. They both work.
No, I am not missing the point.
Lol. OK.0 -
Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »If food sources worked so well to cure disease, I find it interesting that killer diseases that plagued humanity for centuries were only stopped with the advent of vaccines and modern medicine.
You're missing the point. They both work.
No, I am not missing the point.
Lol. OK.
You are missing my point. Yes, food can help with health, but if it cured most diseases they would have been cured long before the advent of the medical treatments we have today. You are the one who said 99% of diseases can be cured in a thread about food as medicine, the implication being that such cures would come from food. The reality is that just is not the case.14 -
Um, moldy bread. Duh. Big pharma just WANTS you to think that you need their expensive pills.goldthistime wrote: »99%? I'm taking antibiotics for sinusitis today after combining a head cold with a plane landing followed by several nights with inadequate sleep. I'm unaware of a food substitute.
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Master_Butcher wrote: »...In the famous words of Hippocrates. I couldn't agree more. If we view the body through the eyes of chemistry, 99% of deseasss can be cured. Period. They've been using food sources for medicine longer than we've been using medicine. The only reason this approach to health isn't mainstream is because it can't be monetized. They haven't figured a way to rip me off purchasing Turmeric & Rosemary just yet. *Laughs while admiring huge turmeric jar in the cupboard*
Are you saying that naturalpaths and people like that all work on a volunteer basis, out of the goodness of their hearts?9 -
rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »If food sources worked so well to cure disease, I find it interesting that killer diseases that plagued humanity for centuries were only stopped with the advent of vaccines and modern medicine.
You're missing the point. They both work.
No, I am not missing the point.
Lol. OK.
You are missing my point. Yes, food can help with health, but if it cured most diseases they would have been cured long before the advent of the medical treatments we have today. You are the one who said 99% of diseases can be cured in a thread about food as medicine, the implication being that such cures would come from food. The reality is that just is not the case.
I here you. Maybe I worded my point incorrectly. In essence what I'm saying is eating the best quality food from nature - including herbs, tailored to ones own body will no doubt eleviate you from the majority of diseases and fix what issues you do have depending on how advanced they are. The body is a giant chemistry lab as simple as that sounds. If the conditions are optimal, the body will heal itself - it's how we're designed. Most people seem to think you're supposed to turn into a sick fragile vegetable as you age. Sickness in both the elderly and the youth, for the most part is down to poor living and eating habits.6 -
NorthCascades wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »...In the famous words of Hippocrates. I couldn't agree more. If we view the body through the eyes of chemistry, 99% of deseasss can be cured. Period. They've been using food sources for medicine longer than we've been using medicine. The only reason this approach to health isn't mainstream is because it can't be monetized. They haven't figured a way to rip me off purchasing Turmeric & Rosemary just yet. *Laughs while admiring huge turmeric jar in the cupboard*
Are you saying that naturalpaths and people like that all work on a volunteer basis, out of the goodness of their hearts?
Correction. Monetize *beyond penuts.1 -
Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »If food sources worked so well to cure disease, I find it interesting that killer diseases that plagued humanity for centuries were only stopped with the advent of vaccines and modern medicine.
You're missing the point. They both work.
No, I am not missing the point.
Lol. OK.
You are missing my point. Yes, food can help with health, but if it cured most diseases they would have been cured long before the advent of the medical treatments we have today. You are the one who said 99% of diseases can be cured in a thread about food as medicine, the implication being that such cures would come from food. The reality is that just is not the case.
I here you. Maybe I worded my point incorrectly. In essence what I'm saying is eating the best quality food from nature - including herbs, tailored to ones own body will no doubt eleviate you from the majority of diseases and fix what issues you do have depending on how advanced they are. The body is a giant chemistry lab as simple as that sounds. If the conditions are optimal, the body will heal itself - it's how we're designed. Most people seem to think you're supposed to turn into a sick fragile vegetable as you age. Sickness in both the elderly and the youth, for the most part is down to poor living and eating habits.
I don't believe this is true. Do you have any data to back up your use of words like "most" and "majority"?5 -
I spent many years and thousands of extra dollars trying to wean myself off my blood pressure medication with diet, supplementation, and professional oversight. My numbers would stay low, but only for a month or two before skyrocketing again. In the US, people die of hypertension-related cardiovascular disease than from the next three deadliest diseases combined. Considering diet can be a major risk factor, I was sure I could control it with what I ate. I gave it everything I could, but eventually gave up. Turns out just taking the same medication every day has been the single best thing to keep my numbers steady, regardless of what food I eat.
I agree that many diseases can be cured with proper diet, considering that from the beginning of humans until less than a century ago, many diseases were deficiency diseases; rickets, scurvy, etc. I agree diet should be the first thing to look at when health suffers, but it cannot be the last thing we turn to.
On a deeper level, I see too many people not get timely life-saving treatments because they are sure they are just doing something wrong and can fix it on their own. Please do not spread any message that might imply failed actions by an individual is a cause for their disease.14 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »If food sources worked so well to cure disease, I find it interesting that killer diseases that plagued humanity for centuries were only stopped with the advent of vaccines and modern medicine.
You're missing the point. They both work.
No, I am not missing the point.
Lol. OK.
You are missing my point. Yes, food can help with health, but if it cured most diseases they would have been cured long before the advent of the medical treatments we have today. You are the one who said 99% of diseases can be cured in a thread about food as medicine, the implication being that such cures would come from food. The reality is that just is not the case.
I here you. Maybe I worded my point incorrectly. In essence what I'm saying is eating the best quality food from nature - including herbs, tailored to ones own body will no doubt eleviate you from the majority of diseases and fix what issues you do have depending on how advanced they are. The body is a giant chemistry lab as simple as that sounds. If the conditions are optimal, the body will heal itself - it's how we're designed. Most people seem to think you're supposed to turn into a sick fragile vegetable as you age. Sickness in both the elderly and the youth, for the most part is down to poor living and eating habits.
I don't believe this is true. Do you have any data to back up your use of words like "most" and "majority"?Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »If food sources worked so well to cure disease, I find it interesting that killer diseases that plagued humanity for centuries were only stopped with the advent of vaccines and modern medicine.
You're missing the point. They both work.
No, I am not missing the point.
Lol. OK.
You are missing my point. Yes, food can help with health, but if it cured most diseases they would have been cured long before the advent of the medical treatments we have today. You are the one who said 99% of diseases can be cured in a thread about food as medicine, the implication being that such cures would come from food. The reality is that just is not the case.
I here you. Maybe I worded my point incorrectly. In essence what I'm saying is eating the best quality food from nature - including herbs, tailored to ones own body will no doubt eleviate you from the majority of diseases and fix what issues you do have depending on how advanced they are. The body is a giant chemistry lab as simple as that sounds. If the conditions are optimal, the body will heal itself - it's how we're designed. Most people seem to think you're supposed to turn into a sick fragile vegetable as you age. Sickness in both the elderly and the youth, for the most part is down to poor living and eating habits.
I don't believe this is true. Do you have any data to back up your use of words like "most" and "majority"?
No I don't. If you don't believe anything I've said that's OK .0 -
Um, moldy bread. Duh. Big pharma just WANTS you to think that you need their expensive pills.goldthistime wrote: »99%? I'm taking antibiotics for sinusitis today after combining a head cold with a plane landing followed by several nights with inadequate sleep. I'm unaware of a food substitute.
I just threw my moldy bread away. I was tempted to face palm when I realized my gaff, but my sinuses, well...
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rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »If food sources worked so well to cure disease, I find it interesting that killer diseases that plagued humanity for centuries were only stopped with the advent of vaccines and modern medicine.
You're missing the point. They both work.
No, I am not missing the point.
Lol. OK.
You are missing my point. Yes, food can help with health, but if it cured most diseases they would have been cured long before the advent of the medical treatments we have today. You are the one who said 99% of diseases can be cured in a thread about food as medicine, the implication being that such cures would come from food. The reality is that just is not the case.
Maybe one wouldn't get sick in the first place ... Or a lot less sick, less often. Research on the microbiome is new and very interesting.3 -
Um, moldy bread. Duh. Big pharma just WANTS you to think that you need their expensive pills.goldthistime wrote: »99%? I'm taking antibiotics for sinusitis today after combining a head cold with a plane landing followed by several nights with inadequate sleep. I'm unaware of a food substitute.
Don't forget cheese. I'm lucky I have killed myself eating cheese rinds.2 -
youdoyou2016 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »If food sources worked so well to cure disease, I find it interesting that killer diseases that plagued humanity for centuries were only stopped with the advent of vaccines and modern medicine.
You're missing the point. They both work.
No, I am not missing the point.
Lol. OK.
You are missing my point. Yes, food can help with health, but if it cured most diseases they would have been cured long before the advent of the medical treatments we have today. You are the one who said 99% of diseases can be cured in a thread about food as medicine, the implication being that such cures would come from food. The reality is that just is not the case.
Maybe one wouldn't get sick in the first place ... Or a lot less sick, less often. Research on the microbiome is new and very interesting.
Do you realize how offensive this is? My sister just had a breast removed this morning because of stage 1 breast cancer - want to tell her that it's because she ate the wrong things?3 -
With no disrespect intended to anyone in this thread, here are my views on this topic:
First of all I think that eating a healthy diet will likely prevent diet from negatively contributing to poor health.
And conversely, if you're eating a diet that is way too high in calories or lacking in nutrients you might be contributing to possible negative health outcomes for specific diseases that are at least partially influenced by diet.
However, that's a lot different than claiming that food cures diseases, or that diseases are entirely caused by diet. And in fact I think making extreme claims like this can be offensive since it essentially blames people for contracting diseases that may not be entirely (or at all) caused by diet in the first place.
Additionally, it's potentially dangerous to claim that food cures disease unless you have sufficient (and high quality) evidence because in doing so, you might be causing someone to avoid proper treatment by directing them towards something that isn't actually a cure. This is why I hate pseudoscience especially when it promotes false cures for horrible conditions.
For example if someone is dying of cancer and you're the one telling them to reach for baking soda instead of going to their oncologist, you're doing them a dangerous and ignorant disservice even though you may mean well.
Food is food. Eat a healthy diet so that you mitigate the chance or your diet contributing to negative health outcomes.
But don't go promoting it as a cure for anything unless you've can prove it.23 -
sunfastrose wrote: »youdoyou2016 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »If food sources worked so well to cure disease, I find it interesting that killer diseases that plagued humanity for centuries were only stopped with the advent of vaccines and modern medicine.
You're missing the point. They both work.
No, I am not missing the point.
Lol. OK.
You are missing my point. Yes, food can help with health, but if it cured most diseases they would have been cured long before the advent of the medical treatments we have today. You are the one who said 99% of diseases can be cured in a thread about food as medicine, the implication being that such cures would come from food. The reality is that just is not the case.
Maybe one wouldn't get sick in the first place ... Or a lot less sick, less often. Research on the microbiome is new and very interesting.
Do you realize how offensive this is? My sister just had a breast removed this morning because of stage 1 breast cancer - want to tell her that it's because she ate the wrong things?
I did not write what you seem to think you are reading.
No, I do not really have a desire to call your sister and say what you think that I am saying. Such thoughts and reactions to others' pain in general and regarding nutrition and disease in particular would never occur to me, quite frankly. In fact, I am sorry to hear what she -- and you, obviously -- are going through and hope she recovers quickly and easily and that you and your family are OK. I am sorry that you are going through what you are going through, and I apologize that something I wrote is upsetting to you, especially given today's circumstances.
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Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »If food sources worked so well to cure disease, I find it interesting that killer diseases that plagued humanity for centuries were only stopped with the advent of vaccines and modern medicine.
You're missing the point. They both work.
No, I am not missing the point.
Lol. OK.
You are missing my point. Yes, food can help with health, but if it cured most diseases they would have been cured long before the advent of the medical treatments we have today. You are the one who said 99% of diseases can be cured in a thread about food as medicine, the implication being that such cures would come from food. The reality is that just is not the case.
I here you. Maybe I worded my point incorrectly. In essence what I'm saying is eating the best quality food from nature - including herbs, tailored to ones own body will no doubt eleviate you from the majority of diseases and fix what issues you do have depending on how advanced they are. The body is a giant chemistry lab as simple as that sounds. If the conditions are optimal, the body will heal itself - it's how we're designed. Most people seem to think you're supposed to turn into a sick fragile vegetable as you age. Sickness in both the elderly and the youth, for the most part is down to poor living and eating habits.
Mind telling me what my 16 year old nephew could have taken to repair the spinal fluid leaking into his brain? Maybe he could have avoided developing bacterial meningitis twice and having to have three different brain surgeries.
And I think I am going to step away from this thread now. My patience with woo is woefully thin tonight.2 -
youdoyou2016 wrote: »sunfastrose wrote: »youdoyou2016 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »If food sources worked so well to cure disease, I find it interesting that killer diseases that plagued humanity for centuries were only stopped with the advent of vaccines and modern medicine.
You're missing the point. They both work.
No, I am not missing the point.
Lol. OK.
You are missing my point. Yes, food can help with health, but if it cured most diseases they would have been cured long before the advent of the medical treatments we have today. You are the one who said 99% of diseases can be cured in a thread about food as medicine, the implication being that such cures would come from food. The reality is that just is not the case.
Maybe one wouldn't get sick in the first place ... Or a lot less sick, less often. Research on the microbiome is new and very interesting.
Do you realize how offensive this is? My sister just had a breast removed this morning because of stage 1 breast cancer - want to tell her that it's because she ate the wrong things?
I did not write what you seem to think you are reading.
No, I do not really have a desire to call your sister and say what you think that I am saying. Such thoughts and reactions to others' pain in general and regarding nutrition and disease in particular would never occur to me, quite frankly. In fact, I am sorry to hear what she -- and you, obviously -- are going through and hope she recovers quickly and easily and that you and your family are OK. I am sorry that you are going through what you are going through, and I apologize that something I wrote is upsetting to you, especially given today's circumstances.
Thank you for the sympathy. My nerves are more on edge tonight.3 -
I see a common fallacy here; faulty cause.
http://commfaculty.fullerton.edu/rgass/fallacy3211.htm
I am healthier from making better food choices including eating a variety of foods including fruits and vegetables.
It does not follow that choosing more or different fruits and vegetables will make me healthier or even cure me from a disease.
By the way when I researched the history of Tuberculosis the best treatment before antibiotics was segregation from the public and a 3,000 calorie a day diet. Apparently this disease takes a great deal of energy to fight. The old sanatoriums are all gone. Closed by a modern medical miracle.2 -
sunfastrose wrote: »youdoyou2016 wrote: »sunfastrose wrote: »youdoyou2016 wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »If food sources worked so well to cure disease, I find it interesting that killer diseases that plagued humanity for centuries were only stopped with the advent of vaccines and modern medicine.
You're missing the point. They both work.
No, I am not missing the point.
Lol. OK.
You are missing my point. Yes, food can help with health, but if it cured most diseases they would have been cured long before the advent of the medical treatments we have today. You are the one who said 99% of diseases can be cured in a thread about food as medicine, the implication being that such cures would come from food. The reality is that just is not the case.
Maybe one wouldn't get sick in the first place ... Or a lot less sick, less often. Research on the microbiome is new and very interesting.
Do you realize how offensive this is? My sister just had a breast removed this morning because of stage 1 breast cancer - want to tell her that it's because she ate the wrong things?
I did not write what you seem to think you are reading.
No, I do not really have a desire to call your sister and say what you think that I am saying. Such thoughts and reactions to others' pain in general and regarding nutrition and disease in particular would never occur to me, quite frankly. In fact, I am sorry to hear what she -- and you, obviously -- are going through and hope she recovers quickly and easily and that you and your family are OK. I am sorry that you are going through what you are going through, and I apologize that something I wrote is upsetting to you, especially given today's circumstances.
Thank you for the sympathy. My nerves are more on edge tonight.
Yeah, I bet. I can't even imagine how awful it must be. I'm glad I saw your response so I could clarify further so that you're not left feeling even worse. So not my intention, but I can get how I came across as curt and uncaring. Thank you for letting me know, actually, so I can be more aware in the future. Much love to you!3 -
I wouldn't say that diet can cure disease, but i believe a healthy diet can act as a preventative or at least an insurance policy perhaps.
I wouldn't expect to live a long and healthy life if my diet consisted of highly processed packet food void of fresh, nutrient packed produce.1 -
sunfastrose wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »Master_Butcher wrote: »rileysowner wrote: »If food sources worked so well to cure disease, I find it interesting that killer diseases that plagued humanity for centuries were only stopped with the advent of vaccines and modern medicine.
You're missing the point. They both work.
No, I am not missing the point.
Lol. OK.
You are missing my point. Yes, food can help with health, but if it cured most diseases they would have been cured long before the advent of the medical treatments we have today. You are the one who said 99% of diseases can be cured in a thread about food as medicine, the implication being that such cures would come from food. The reality is that just is not the case.
I here you. Maybe I worded my point incorrectly. In essence what I'm saying is eating the best quality food from nature - including herbs, tailored to ones own body will no doubt eleviate you from the majority of diseases and fix what issues you do have depending on how advanced they are. The body is a giant chemistry lab as simple as that sounds. If the conditions are optimal, the body will heal itself - it's how we're designed. Most people seem to think you're supposed to turn into a sick fragile vegetable as you age. Sickness in both the elderly and the youth, for the most part is down to poor living and eating habits.
Mind telling me what my 16 year old nephew could have taken to repair the spinal fluid leaking into his brain? Maybe he could have avoided developing bacterial meningitis twice and having to have three different brain surgeries.
And I think I am going to step away from this thread now. My patience with woo is woefully thin tonight.
I'm deeply sorry to hear about his misfortune however I never stated food and herbs are the cure for all. If one is injured from a car collision I don't think it'll be wise to seek healing from food. We have common sense so we must use it accordingly.0 -
I agree proper diet can help some disease, I no longer take PPIs for example.
Probably not effective for quite a few diseases. I'm reminded that 99 years ago millions died all over the world from the flu.2
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