DL vs squat weight

lorrpb · February 2017

Should my weight for straight leg DL and goblet squats be similar? It seems like a lot of people's weight is at least "close" for these 2 lifts.
I can DL more than twice what I can squat. I can progress my DL every week whereas the squat is much harder to progress. I DL with a 5 ft bar & plates and do goblet squats with dumbbells because I don't have a squat rack nor do I have room for one. I know that goblet squats are usually less weight than back squats, but I wouldn't think it would a hug difference.
I guess it doesn't really matter because I can only do what I can do, but I was just curious. Thanks.

Erik8484 · February 2017

http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/StrengthStandards.html

Looking at that website I'd conclude that the average woman is expected to be able to squat between 70-80% of her deadlift weight.

That's a normal deadlift (not straight leg) and a back squat (not a goblet squat) though. For what its worth, I don't think I could goblet squat anything remotely close to what I can back squat.

cerise_noir · February 2017

I definitely deadlift more than I squat!

Willbenchforcupcakes · February 2017

My squat max is 85% of my deadlift max. Back squat versus sumo deadlift.

DopeItUp · February 2017

You're comparing apples and oranges, there's no real guideline for any of that. There are people that can squat 200-300lbs more than their deadlift, and vice versa. Comparing SLDL and goblet squat is even crazier, especially when they aren't even both barbell movements. Goblet squats are much more difficult the heavier and heavier you go just due to the handling and size of the dumbbell.

Long story short, I wouldn't sweat it. If your technique is good and you're pushing yourself with both movements, why would it even matter what the ratio is? And what could you really do about it?

JoRocka · February 2017

DopeItUp wrote: »

You're comparing apples and oranges, there's no real guideline for any of that. There are people that can squat 200-300lbs more than their deadlift, and vice versa. Comparing SLDL and goblet squat is even crazier, especially when they aren't even both barbell movements. Goblet squats are much more difficult the heavier and heavier you go just due to the handling and size of the dumbbell.

Long story short, I wouldn't sweat it. If your technique is good and you're pushing yourself with both movements, why would it even matter what the ratio is? And what could you really do about it?

pretty much this.

Chieflrg · February 2017

There are no set of standards.

Everyone lifts differently even two people same height and muscular structure can have way different ratios in lifts.

If you are weaker in one, it's not a bad idea to have a experienced coach/trainer help decide if it's a problem needing addressing for your strength as well as your goals

Also in general terms the more you do a lift, the better your form should get. Better form equates to more weight lifted which will morph into a stronger you. Not saying blow your volume up necessary, but adding a day of work at 40-50% 1rm shouldn't effect you in a negative way.

not_a_runner · February 2017

My straight leg dead lift is maybe 50% of my conventional dead lift. (I don't enjoy SLDLs/RDLs at all, and my lower back hates them)
My weight for a DB goblet squat is going to be significantly less than that (and less than my back squat), because I'm limited to how heavy of a dumbbell I want to hold in my hands, rather than a bar on my back. I can squat almost 300 lb on my back, no freaking way am I going to be able to hold on to a dumbbell of that weight.
Personally SLDL and DB goblet squat would be considered accessory lifts for my conventional deadlift and back squat, and I don't really care what weights I'm using on them. As mentioned already, apples to oranges. Especially when comparing a DB movement to a BB one.

lorrpb · February 2017

Oops, I didn't mean SLDL, it's just a regular DL but not Romanian is what I should have said. Handling the dumbbell is definitely a challenge in the goblet squat! Pretty soon I will have to go to just holding dumbbells in both hands, arms down. Thank you for the feedback.

lorrpb · February 2017

DopeItUp wrote: »

You're comparing apples and oranges, there's no real guideline for any of that. There are people that can squat 200-300lbs more than their deadlift, and vice versa. Comparing SLDL and goblet squat is even crazier, especially when they aren't even both barbell movements. Goblet squats are much more difficult the heavier and heavier you go just due to the handling and size of the dumbbell.

Long story short, I wouldn't sweat it. If your technique is good and you're pushing yourself with both movements, why would it even matter what the ratio is? And what could you really do about it?

As I said in OP, I was just curious and obviously can't do anything about it. I'm working as hard as I know how.

jessef593 · February 2017

DopeItUp wrote: »

You're comparing apples and oranges, there's no real guideline for any of that. There are people that can squat 200-300lbs more than their deadlift, and vice versa. Comparing SLDL and goblet squat is even crazier, especially when they aren't even both barbell movements. Goblet squats are much more difficult the heavier and heavier you go just due to the handling and size of the dumbbell.

Long story short, I wouldn't sweat it. If your technique is good and you're pushing yourself with both movements, why would it even matter what the ratio is? And what could you really do about it?

This. Many people can squat upwards of 300lbs with ease but I guarantee you that they aren't standing there holding 300lbs in their Hands doing a goblet squat

deputy_randolph · February 2017

My back squat is 70% of my deadlift. Strong back + not loving squats=better deadlift.

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