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Any recommendations on a good weight gain supplement that is organic

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  • _benjammin
    _benjammin Posts: 1,224 Member
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    Milk and meatballs
    @SideSteel
  • JB035
    JB035 Posts: 336 Member
    edited February 2017
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    Karboyln or an equivalent carb drink mixed with either ON's or Dymatize protien.

    Creatine is good staple for weight gain as well.

    BCAA's are a must.


    I only use protein and karbolyn after workouts or if I'm going to be on the road for a while. Don't take food out of your routine for a supplement.

    As far as organic I have no idea, I don't trust the whole organic branding to be honest.
  • Dano74
    Dano74 Posts: 503 Member
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    lizleene wrote: »
    Any recommendations on a good weight gain supplement that is organic

    Anything organic that you eat above your TDEE.
  • _benjammin
    _benjammin Posts: 1,224 Member
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    JB035 wrote: »
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    BCAA's are a must.
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    Why?

  • sardelsa
    sardelsa Posts: 9,812 Member
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    Organic peanut butter?
  • JB035
    JB035 Posts: 336 Member
    edited February 2017
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    _benjammin wrote: »
    JB035 wrote: »
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    BCAA's are a must.
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    Why?

    @_benjammin awesome name by the way.. been jammin!

    Branch chain amino acids are the building blocks of muscle development.

    Edit: Well not so much building but helps with muscle recovery and muscle loss. That's what I meant by that development statement. To me if you maintain more then you develop more over time, I hope that makes sense.
  • _benjammin
    _benjammin Posts: 1,224 Member
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    @JB035
    I know what they are but if you get adequate protein, supplementing more might not be necessary.
    http://alpharaj.com/bcaas-really-need/
  • JB035
    JB035 Posts: 336 Member
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    @benjammin That's 100% true. Same goes with creatine. I'd rather be over than under on either one of those.
    I've read some stuff before on the benefits. Hit up google and see what you find. I'm about to read that link you sent me.
  • trigden1991
    trigden1991 Posts: 4,658 Member
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    JB035 wrote: »
    @benjammin That's 100% true. Same goes with creatine. I'd rather be over than under on either one of those.
    I've read some stuff before on the benefits. Hit up google and see what you find. I'm about to read that link you sent me.

    Wrong. Creatine can be beneficial for everyone.
    BCAA's are not required unless you are in a calorie deficit and/or fasting for prolonged periods.
  • Gallowmere1984
    Gallowmere1984 Posts: 6,626 Member
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    JB035 wrote: »
    @benjammin That's 100% true. Same goes with creatine. I'd rather be over than under on either one of those.
    I've read some stuff before on the benefits. Hit up google and see what you find. I'm about to read that link you sent me.

    Wrong. Creatine can be beneficial for everyone.
    BCAA's are not required unless you are in a calorie deficit and/or fasting for prolonged periods.

    Pretty much this. The odds of all but the heaviest red meat eaters hitting 5g of creatine in their diet, even when bulking, is pretty slim.

    As well, the odds of all but the most intentionally misguided eaters NOT getting the amount of BCAAs that their bodies can use for MPS is non-existent when bulking. Extra protein just ends up getting deaminated in the liver, and oxidized for energy, or excreted in the urine in some cases. Even Vegan bulkers can pull it off without issue, if they stick to soy and rice/pea protein blends.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,411 MFP Moderator
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    JB035 wrote: »
    Karboyln or an equivalent carb drink mixed with either ON's or Dymatize protien.

    Creatine is good staple for weight gain as well.

    BCAA's are a must.


    I only use protein and karbolyn after workouts or if I'm going to be on the road for a while. Don't take food out of your routine for a supplement.

    As far as organic I have no idea, I don't trust the whole organic branding to be honest.

    Drinking a protein shake will give you all the BCAA's you need. In fact, there is more evidence these days, that BCAAs are over hyped and only benefit a very small subset of people. Quoting @SideSteel for his previous post from Alan Aragon.
    SideSteel wrote: »
    Alan Aragon:

    Hey everyone, a frequently recurring topic is BCAA supplementation. A lot of folks are simply unaware of the actual data, so they needlessly waste their hard-earned cash on BCAA supps. This might not be music to the ears of folks locked in a routine of taking their favorite supp, but my hope is that it gives some of you food for thought, and ultimately helps you zap an unnecessary (and potentially detrimental) item from your supplement shopping list.

    The high-quality proteins in our diets are comprised of appx 18-26% BCAA as it is. Supplementing with extra BCAA on top of that can range from adding extra unnecessary calories (and metabolic burden), to actually inhibiting optimal use of ingested amino acids [1].

    Let me also add that whey protein has a stronger anabolic/anticatabolic effect than its equivalent in supplemental EAA or BCAA [2]. It's no surprise that supplemental BCAA has an equivocal track record in the research [3,4]. For those concerned about "going catabolic" doing fasted cardio without AA supplementation, my colleagues and I found no difference in body comp effects between fed vs fasted cardio when total protein is sufficient (both groups retained their LBM) [5]. As for the ability of BCAA to inhibit muscle soreness, note that this is always compared to a non-protein placebo.

    It's LOL to supp with BCAA to begin with (instead of an intact, high-quality protein such as whey, which provides the rest of the EAAs as well as other co-factors for anabolism -- but it's all moot if you're getting enough total daily protein anyway). Here’s a salient quote from a recent review [6]:

    "Thus, as we speculated, consumption of crystalline BCAA resulted in competitive antagonism for uptake from the gut and into the muscle and was actually not as effective as leucine alone in stimulating MPS. Despite the popularity of BCAA supplements we find shockingly little evidence for their efficacy in promoting MPS or lean mass gains and would advise the use of intact proteins as opposed to a purified combination of BCAA that appear to antagonize each other in terms of transport both into circulation and likely in to the muscle.”

    The only people who are not wasting time & money on supplemental BCAA are those who must maintain a low-protein diet, or a diet with restricted amounts of high-quality protein. With that all said, if your total daily protein is optimized, and you don't mind consuming the functional equivalent of really expensive flavored water, then be my guest. :)

    1) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27175106
    2) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22451437
    3) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20110810
    4) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15930475
    5) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25429252/
    6) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26388782/


    OP, just have to eat any type of food: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/10326769/are-you-a-hard-gainer-please-read/p1

    And I would probably stick to food, as most supplements are pretty useless.
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
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    _benjammin wrote: »
    Milk and meatballs
    @SideSteel

    LOL
  • JB035
    JB035 Posts: 336 Member
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    @psuLemon @benjammim
    Now y'all have me researching all kinds of stuff on BCAA's!
  • _benjammin
    _benjammin Posts: 1,224 Member
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    ^Alan Argon had disputed the supplemental benefits for years as does recent research.