For those who started out with a LOT to lose

Looking_Feeling_Younger
Looking_Feeling_Younger Posts: 9 Member
edited November 16 in Health and Weight Loss
Hi, I'm just starting out here with an overwhelming 200 pounds to lose. I'm an older, shorter woman (62 years old and 5 feet 3 inches), plus I have a very sedentary job.

My question is this-- for those who also had a lot to lose, especially the sedentary unfit older ones (if there are any), how did you do your settings? Did you go for 2 pounds a week, or 1.5, or 1? How has it been working for you?

Any feedback appreciated.
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  • fitoverfortymom
    fitoverfortymom Posts: 3,452 Member
    I had 100 to lose. 2lbs a week gave me 1200 calories. I stuck with that for about 6 months. At that point I had lost 60lbs and switched to 1lb per week, which is 1430. I typically eat 1350-1430 each day, and rarely eat exercise calories (I don't exercise much).

    If you need to lose 200 and start eating and the a deficit--any deficit--you are going to lose. Maybe start with the amount you feel like you are most likely to stick with and go from there?
  • apullum
    apullum Posts: 4,838 Member
    I had 100 to lose and I set mine for 1200 calories/day, 2 lb. loss per week. My rate of loss has slowed a lot since I've gotten closer to goal, but I'm very short, so even though I've technically switched over to 0.5 lb/week, I'm still eating 1200 calories plus exercise.
  • Looking_Feeling_Younger
    Looking_Feeling_Younger Posts: 9 Member
    edited February 2017
    Wow, quick answers, thank you! FitOverForty, when you moved calories back up, have you kept on losing? And Jayded, yes, I definitely want it to be simple and to just eat my regular kinds of food. (Thank you, too, apullum-- your response wasn't there when I first wrote this.)

    Sounds like 2 pounds a week is the consensus. Congratulations to all of you on your success, and thanks again for getting back to me so fast.
  • estherdragonbat
    estherdragonbat Posts: 5,283 Member
    I started with 124 to lose. I set it for 1 lb, but didn't eat back my exercise calories and was dropping 2lbs/week until these last two, where it's gone down to 1 lb. 2lb/week is fine, btw, so long as you have 75 lbs or more to go.

    I've become more active, though nothing overly strenuous. Mostly I take walks for an hour or more <i>or</i> 40 minutes on a Nordic skier—a low-tech model that doesn't have different resistance levels. I've just added resistance training with Fit Tubes. And now, I am eating back some calories, because if I don't, my net calories for the day are starting to dip below 1200.

    As of today, I'm down 37 lbs.

    Good luck to you! (And if you want to friend me, I'm not the chattiest person, but my diary is open.)
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,302 Member
    25% off of your tdee to start.

    2lbs is likely to drop you to 1200 if you're sedentary. I personally do not believe in going to the bottom right away.

    A more useful strategy for someone who will truly have to develop a new way of life over the next few years in order to maintain the weight loss is to aim to eat the sedentary calories for your target goal weight in the normal weight range.

    Personally, with less weight then you to lose to goal, when I started thinking things through, i set my eating goal with an eye on what a lightly active person at my goal weight would eat.

    This gave me a couple of years to experiment with and train myself as to how I will be eating and moving during the rest of my life, if I want to maintain my loss...

    Of course things change and can be revisited and revised as you progress and your activity level and exercise change.

    But as a starting goal I think what I described is more long term attainable, more flexible, and more educational for the long haul...
  • fitoverfortymom
    fitoverfortymom Posts: 3,452 Member
    Wow, quick answers, thank you! FitOverForty, when you moved calories back up, have you kept on losing? And Jayded, yes, I definitely want it to be simple and to just eat my regular kinds of food. (Thank you, too, apullum-- your response wasn't there when I first wrote this.)

    Sounds like 2 pounds a week is the consensus. Congratulations to all of you on your success, and thanks again for getting back to me so fast.

    Yes. I have kept losing. A little more than 1lb per week so far. It's only been a few weeks, but so far so good.

    I seriously have barely exercised. In the fall when it was warmer, I got some good extra walks in and even some treadmill runs, but now that it is cold where I am, I've pretty much stuck to my 30 minute dog walks each day.
  • Retakesfitness
    Retakesfitness Posts: 22 Member
    Had about 116 to lose, I remember making a post just like this and the comments really helped. Slow and steady was the best advice, I'm down 48 pounds since August , Look up cabbage soup, It works wonders I did it for 7 days no coffee sugar starches meat or cheese and lost a pound a day the nxt week I added 4 oz of chicken or turkey a day and 4 oz of shrimp or fish as much fruit and veggies as I want and plenty of water! I also work out from home. Walking would help you, 30 minutes a day
  • Verity1111
    Verity1111 Posts: 3,309 Member
    edited February 2017
    Hi, I'm just starting out here with an overwhelming 200 pounds to lose. I'm an older, shorter woman (62 years old and 5 feet 3 inches), plus I have a very sedentary job.

    My question is this-- for those who also had a lot to lose, especially the sedentary unfit older ones (if there are any), how did you do your settings? Did you go for 2 pounds a week, or 1.5, or 1? How has it been working for you?

    Any feedback appreciated.

    I'm not older, but I am totally unfit lol I didn't walk for 5 months last year due to an injury. I started losing weight in October. I had my goal at 1200 calories (and still aim for it if I can). I lost 21lbs in 6 weeks at one point...I did exercise 15 days in there, but I also ate a lot of fast food at one point. My total lost since October is 32.2lbs keeping in mind I didn't diet for about 6 weeks or so. It's been about 14 weeks? So for 6 weeks I lost 3.5lbs per week, some magical way, but the other weeks I averaged 1.5lbs. I do not exercise really much at all. I walk sometimes. I over eat pretty often (one or two days every week or two I usually eat fast food and too much of it...). Once in a while I get to use my Wii Fit or my Zumba on Xbox, but it is rare lately because I'm in college. I have a fitbit and the steps I average per day make me considered sedentary (around 3000). I've still been losing a little over 1lb per week, even when I eat between 1150-1600 per day on good days. I am actually averaging more around 1400calories lately. I started at 225 and I'm around 192.2 now. This means you could most likely eat more than I can and still lose at the same rate. Despite you being a lot older, you also weigh a lot more than I did, so you would be allowed more calories at first or lose quicker if you eat the amount I was eating. Good luck!
  • Verity1111
    Verity1111 Posts: 3,309 Member
    Had about 116 to lose, I remember making a post just like this and the comments really helped. Slow and steady was the best advice, I'm down 48 pounds since August , Look up cabbage soup, It works wonders I did it for 7 days no coffee sugar starches meat or cheese and lost a pound a day the nxt week I added 4 oz of chicken or turkey a day and 4 oz of shrimp or fish as much fruit and veggies as I want and plenty of water! I also work out from home. Walking would help you, 30 minutes a day

    I love cabbage soup. I ate one that was like 45 calories per cup or bowl once and I seriously ate it for like a week. lol.
  • Thanks all, I love reading your responses, it really helps me!
  • Afura
    Afura Posts: 2,054 Member
    There's no need to go on fancy/trendy diets or restricting food, (if you say the word detox...watch out - you don't need it) you don't need exercise to lose weight (though it's good for overall health), all you need is a calorie deficit.

    2lbs should be a fine goal to set per week, if that's hard to meet, try 1.5. It's better to have a slower loss than something that's terribly hard for you to meet. You may find as you go on that it gets easier to eat less calories and you can always change your settings.
    Make sustainable changes - things that you can do differently that you feel you can always do too. If you need some chips, get out a food scale and measure out a portion and make sure if fits into your goal for the day!
  • 6brewers
    6brewers Posts: 11 Member
    37 yrs old male...Jan 15 = 300lbs. I didn't figure out calorie deficit til started using app 2 weeks ago was at 297 then. Now at 286. My intake to maintain is almost 3600 calories...so I cut down to around 1600 total per day. I'm walking 30 min per day, gym for elliptical 25 min and weight training 25 min...4 times a week. I'm trying to maintain muscle while losing goal of 4 lbs per week.

    Is this unhealthy????
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,302 Member
    edited February 2017
    6brewers wrote: »
    37 yrs old male...Jan 15 = 300lbs. I didn't figure out calorie deficit til started using app 2 weeks ago was at 297 then. Now at 286. My intake to maintain is almost 3600 calories...so I cut down to around 1600 total per day. I'm walking 30 min per day, gym for elliptical 25 min and weight training 25 min...4 times a week. I'm trying to maintain muscle while losing goal of 4 lbs per week.

    Is this unhealthy????

    You do not list your height. 286 lbs means something different to a guy who is 6ft 7" as compared to a guy who is 5ft 7"

    While you're in the early stages of your loss where you may still be able to tolerate a faster rate of loss, your goal exceeds 25% of your TDEE (20% of your TDEE once you are no longer obese) and exceeds 1% of body weight per week, a widely accepted safe rate.

    Now I personally happen to believe that 1.5% is tolerable for someone who is morbidly obese and that 0.07% is better for someone who is overweight, or normal weight, so to me the 1% of body weight per week does have gradations to it.

    I also happen to believe that you have something much more important to do than take the weight off fast, and that is to learn about yourself and establish a new relationship with food and activities.

    And that losing fast not only has health implications (gallstones, excess lean mass lost); but it also denies you the time you need to get to know these things about yourself.

    To learn how your weight changes from day to day.
    Which items fill you up and which don't.
    Explore new things to eat and replace old stand-bys and favourites.
    To get sidetracked by old stand-bys and favourites and learn how to deal with them in the future.

    Short-circuiting all these learning processes does not put you ahead, in my opinion, because it increases the likelihood of regain at goal weight.

    So does getting there while eating less than the maximum you can while still achieving your goals.

    So, yeah, all I will say is that my rate of loss was similar to yours for a brief period of time before I realised that I would not be willing to eat a subway sub and a salad with no dressing every day for the rest of my life to maintain my weight.

    And then I found MFP and realised that I don't have to eat "diet food" in order to lose weight.

    And that was a light bulb moment and the first time I actually seriously started believing that I might be able to both lose weight and maintain the loss for an appreciable period of time.

    How? By no longer dieting but by learning to eat and move the way I intend to continue doing... for the long haul.

    Which led me to eventually calculate the lightly active calories for my target weight, and setting my eating calories very close to that amount for the majority of my time on MFP.

    Which incidentally was substantially more than what you're eating right now.
  • CoachJen71
    CoachJen71 Posts: 1,200 Member
    Did 2lbs a week for a long time. Have lost about 140lbs and was also short and not fit at the start. (Still short and somewhat more fit now.) You can read my story here, if you like.
  • Afura
    Afura Posts: 2,054 Member
    6brewers wrote: »
    37 yrs old male...Jan 15 = 300lbs. I didn't figure out calorie deficit til started using app 2 weeks ago was at 297 then. Now at 286. My intake to maintain is almost 3600 calories...so I cut down to around 1600 total per day. I'm walking 30 min per day, gym for elliptical 25 min and weight training 25 min...4 times a week. I'm trying to maintain muscle while losing goal of 4 lbs per week.

    Is this unhealthy????
    You already started a thread for this.
  • PAV8888, thanks for this idea: "A more useful strategy for someone who will truly have to develop a new way of life over the next few years in order to maintain the weight loss is to aim to eat the sedentary calories for your target goal weight in the normal weight range."

    The sedentary maintenance calories for my goal of 130 are between 1400 and 1500.

    When I had put in 2 pounds a week for my current weight, it gave me 1570 calories to start, so... similar.

    I don't really want to be always switching up my calories and would rather get used to eating a certain amount (for life), so I think I'm just going to set a goal of 1500 calories and keep it there. That seems sustainable. I can always re-evaluate calories (or better yet, try to get a little gentle exercise) if weight loss doesn't seem sufficient. I really do want this to be a lifetime solution for however long of a life I have left.
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,302 Member
    edited February 2017
    PAV8888, thanks for this idea: "A more useful strategy for someone who will truly have to develop a new way of life over the next few years in order to maintain the weight loss is to aim to eat the sedentary calories for your target goal weight in the normal weight range."

    The sedentary maintenance calories for my goal of 130 are between 1400 and 1500.

    When I had put in 2 pounds a week for my current weight, it gave me 1570 calories to start, so... similar.

    I don't really want to be always switching up my calories and would rather get used to eating a certain amount (for life), so I think I'm just going to set a goal of 1500 calories and keep it there. That seems sustainable. I can always re-evaluate calories (or better yet, try to get a little gentle exercise) if weight loss doesn't seem sufficient. I really do want this to be a lifetime solution for however long of a life I have left.

    Uh-Oh. Can I backtrack a little?
    Cause I do think that a useful rule of thumb is to not exceed 25% off of your TDEE.

    And I will note for the record that even though I said to you sedentary calories (because you had stressed that you were currently sedentary) my personal experiment with "pick a level of calories" was setting myself to LIGHTLY ACTIVE NET CALORIES (I was not sedentary at the time and was confident that I would be at least lightly active at my final weight).

    Please re-read the above, it contains the word NET ;-)

    I set myself to my lightly active calories, as a NET goal. In other words I eat back 100% of my exercise calories on top and almost never only eat the base amount.

    You HAVE to learn that you eat more when you move more and eat less when you move less.

    It is part of figuring out the balance between activity and food.

    So, in quick closing and with apology if I've caused confusion:

    2lbs is quite fast. Please don't exceed. Personally I think that 1.5lbs is quite fast. I did most of my own loss at an average of under 1.5lbs in the first year and at ~0.45lbs a week the second. Then again your starting point is slightly above mine, so the higher initial losses could be well tolerated. And fall well within 1% of body weight a week which is another rough guide to not exceed.

    so, please keep it to no more than 25% of your TDEE when obese/ 20% of your TDEE when overweight.

    As soon as feasible, start aiming for eating what your final self will be eating... but not too early, i.e. not if this created a deficit that exceeds the ~25% level.

    TWO more things to note! Some current research papers show that lean mass is a better predictor for longevity for people over 60 than normal weight is. And that BMI of ~27 is higher in the longevity curve than BMI ~25. I.e. that the slightly overweight range is currently associated with longer life. A conjecture here is that people who are slightly overweight have more lean mass, more cushioning in case of falls, and extra reserves when it comes to surviving medical procedures and disease. Note that the "longevity sweet spot" BMI changes with age and increases as we grow older.
  • PAV, that is all quite confusing to me. I don't know what TDEE is or how to figure it, and don't want to make this too complicated. Being the age I am, I don't anticipate that I'll be exercising very much even at goal weight, except for maybe trying to do some yoga. Also, I would think that the danger of being so obese, especially at my age, would outweigh (no pun intended) any danger of losing 2 pounds a week? I sometimes watch that show, "My 600-Pound Life," and the doctor on there wants his patients to lose upwards of 30 pounds a month! I do apreciate your thoughts on all this, though.
  • Also, PAV, I appreciate the info on older people having a greater chance at longevity with a slightly higher weight. Will perhaps modify my goal to 140 pounds or so-- or maybe even slightly more, considering that I will have quite a bit of excess skin.
  • arrghmatey1
    arrghmatey1 Posts: 91 Member
    I am 57 and had 117 lbs to lose. I set mine for 1/2 pound a week.
    The strategy behind this is that if I fall off the diet and if I stay under that goal I am still loosing weight.

    I also think it builds self confidence and to set your calorie goals daily by meal planning and learning how to eat all over again.

    Your going to have to make a lifestyle change or your diet is pointless.

    It isn't going to be eat like this and return to the glorious world of unhealthy eating as so as you loose your weight.

    Example: I set my goals for 1/2 lb a week and I am allowed 2470 calories.
    I never go over 1800 and most days its between 1200 and 1700.

    Why? Because I am learning to eat properly tracking sodium levels and cutting carbs by 25 to 40% and making sure they are friendly carbs at that. This in turn limits the calories naturally.
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,302 Member
    PAV, that is all quite confusing to me. I don't know what TDEE is or how to figure it, and don't want to make this too complicated. Being the age I am, I don't anticipate that I'll be exercising very much even at goal weight, except for maybe trying to do some yoga. Also, I would think that the danger of being so obese, especially at my age, would outweigh (no pun intended) any danger of losing 2 pounds a week? I sometimes watch that show, "My 600-Pound Life," and the doctor on there wants his patients to lose upwards of 30 pounds a month! I do apreciate your thoughts on all this, though.

    This is not a show.
    You are not 600lbs.
    Biggest loser contestants all exhibit signs of excess adaptation to low calories and have disproportionate difficulties keeping to their new weight because they now have to eat less than expected to maintain (it is called adaptive thermogenesis, yes the research paper has been questioned a bit)

    Tdee is the total energy you burn in a day. AN ESTIMATE is your MFP maintenance calories.

    A lot of these questions are a bit theoretical.

    Have you started losing weight yet? What are you eating and how much are you losing?

    If you are truly sedentary and of small height in spite of your weight you may find out that your actual calories to maintain are fairly low.

    This will mean that any goals beyond 1lb a week may be impractical.

    We don't know that yet.

    So.

    What is MFP telling you to eat to lose 1.5lbs a week? 2lbs a week

    You said 1590, right?

    So TRY ~1600. Let's go with that for now.

    Use a trending weight app to judge your weight trend.

    If in 4 to 6 weeks you're losing almost 2lbs a week, you know your tdee is around 2600 (1kb of fat yielding about 3500Cal)

    Personally I would then eat a bit more and lose at 1.5lbs a week.

    Long term compliance is more important than anything else

    Try to make things easy for you. 1lb or 1.5lbs consistently beats 2lbs and giving up half way there!

    An extra walk for 10 minutes 3x a day is all you need to push yourself out of sedentary and into lightly active.

    Increase that to 3x30 and you're active all of a sudden. (Watch for blisters and knees)
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,302 Member
    I am 57 and had 117 lbs to lose. I set mine for 1/2 pound a week.
    The strategy behind this is that if I fall off the diet and if I stay under that goal I am still loosing weight.

    I also think it builds self confidence and to set your calorie goals daily by meal planning and learning how to eat all over again.

    Your going to have to make a lifestyle change or your diet is pointless.

    It isn't going to be eat like this and return to the glorious world of unhealthy eating as so as you loose your weight.

    Example: I set my goals for 1/2 lb a week and I am allowed 2470 calories.
    I never go over 1800 and most days its between 1200 and 1700.

    Why? Because I am learning to eat properly tracking sodium levels and cutting carbs by 25 to 40% and making sure they are friendly carbs at that. This in turn limits the calories naturally.

    Minimum recommended calories for a male are 1500
  • PAV, in answer to your questions, I'm just barely starting to track my food or attempt to lose weight. I'm 5'3", 336 pounds, 62 years old, and extremely sedentary-- I'm sitting at my desk virtually all of my waking hours, other than to go to kitchen, bathroom or grocery store. Walking is a challenge. I have to really lean on the cart at the store. My old joints aren't doing too well with the weight, and I get out of breath very easily. That's why I tend to not factor in exercise much.

    Still, I will take your advice and start with 1600 calories and see how that goes. Thanks for your help.
  • PAV8888
    PAV8888 Posts: 14,302 Member
    Based on your description I would indeed call you sedentary at this time.

    Sedentary includes approximately 35-45 minutes of daily moving activity / approximately 3500 steps.

    You would only move beyond sedentary by doing more than that. And it does sound that at this time this may prove a challenge.

    Hopefully 1600 will turn out to be 2lbs a week and you will have room to play with your calories and rate of loss.

    If it proves out to be less than 2lbs a week do not be discouraged and consider that 52lbs in a year is nothing to sneeze at and will already make a world of difference.

    Aquafit classes are easier on the joints.

    Consider food that is satiating to you. Many people find non starchy vegetables paired with protein to be satiating

    I personally live on yogurt parfaits and mix high fiber cereal, frozen berries, 0% artificially sweetened yogurt, 0% Greek yogurt, small amounts of cocoa, cinnamon, coffee, and other goodies together with sugar free refrigerated jello puddings in endless combinations :-)

    Mix one egg with 100-150g egg white results in more volume, higher protein, lowish calories. Throw in some onions or green peppers and ham, Bob's your uncle. Prepare in advance. Make as frittata and pre portion. Play and think outside the box by modifying recipes to be lower in calories while still tasting... acceptable.

    Unsweetened vanilla Cashew milk vs "wasting" calories on milk, unless wanting the protein in milk. Coffee with one milk these days instead of multiple creams and sugars or black when I was really pushing for weight loss.

    Adaptability and watchfulness/mindfulness

    Use a weight trend app. Libra android. Happy scale iPhone. Trendweight.com which I use (requires a free Fitbit.com account which you can get without a Fitbit device) or weighgrapher.com which allows data entry on the web site. Will save you a lot of angst and grief to look at the trend instead of your "spot" weight on a particular day which may be affected by sodium or exercise or other reasons.

    Tell all these apps you want to maintain your weight so that they don't confuse you with extraenous advice.

    Check your progress and adjust after a few weeks.

    Measure using a scale and chose entries that you cross reference to the USDA database (search USDA nutrient database ).

    Use your own recipes and meals.

    Packaged food is not always weighed accurately.

    Keep a notebook and jot down as you prepare stuff.

    (Of course I am an accuracy freak. All this is not absolutely required; but it will certainly avoid wondering whether you're doing it right if indeed you are!!!!)

    Figure out your too of normal weight range in lbs and try to come close to:

    0.4g of healthy fats per lb of that weight or more
    1g per lb of that in protein assuming no kidney issues
    28g of fiber per day as female.

    Note that these are all self taught/self discovered information from national guidelines.

    I do not claim magic mojo other than having thought about it a little bit and going through the MFP sticking posts and perhaps a few research papers during the past couple of years :blush:




  • OhMsDiva
    OhMsDiva Posts: 1,073 Member
    I understand the concept behind TDEE, but by the time I got on MFP I was already on a weight loss program set at 1800 calories. Whenever I put my numbers in any calculator it gave me well over 2000 calories. At that point I was already set with 1800. 2 years later, 1800 is still my calorie goal and I continue to lose. As I have said the entire time, when I no longer lose weight doing what i am doing, then I will do something differently. I do exercise 6 days a week and I eat regular food.
  • cwagar123
    cwagar123 Posts: 195 Member
    I started out with 120 to lose. Still have 55 to go. I set mine at 1lb per week.
  • Thanks again to each and every one of you-- it all helps. What a warm and supportive site this is. It helps for me to remember that even doing the 1 pound a week gets good results over time, if I find I need more food, especially at first. And PAV, thanks for all the additional tips. I'm a bit of an organization nerd myself, so this may turn out to provide a bit of extra motivation in that regard. : )
  • dragon_girl26
    dragon_girl26 Posts: 2,187 Member
    I had about 100 to lose, have lost about 80 of it. I initially started at 2 lbs a week, but after I lost about 25 lbs, I dropped my goal to 1 lb per week so I could eat more. I probably could have started at 1 lb per week and been perfectly happy with that the whole time, though.
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