adrenal rhythms: legit science or hokum?

amandaeve
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I recently took a saliva cortisol test to measure how my cortisol levels change throughout the day. Obviously it was just a sample from one random day, but I did wait 2 months before taking the samples so I could sample the most "normal" day possible. I don't know much about what a normal fluctuation should be. According to my test, low levels correlate with fatigue, low mood, stress and focus issues- all things we blame for weight gain. I'm not asking for medical advice, just curious what you all think about cortisol and adrenal fatigue in general, as it's not something that's really addressed in Western medicine.
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Adrenal fatigue is not addressed in "Western medicine" (not a real term; science- and evidence-based medicine know no hemisphere) because it's not real.
However, stress can indeed influence your cortisol levels and yes, that can have an effect on your metabolism. I'm not sure where to go with that other than to work on stress reduction if that's a problem.8 -
I recently took a saliva cortisol test to measure how my cortisol levels change throughout the day. Obviously it was just a sample from one random day, but I did wait 2 months before taking the samples so I could sample the most "normal" day possible. I don't know much about what a normal fluctuation should be. According to my test, low levels correlate with fatigue, low mood, stress and focus issues- all things we blame for weight gain. I'm not asking for medical advice, just curious what you all think about cortisol and adrenal fatigue in general, as it's not something that's really addressed in Western medicine.
A saliva cortisol test is a bogus test sold by labs that are used by quacks such as Naturopaths and Chiropractors. No legitimate doctor would ever use this test to diagnose anything.
Adrenal fatigue is not addressed by modern medicine because it is a fake disease. It was invented by a chiropractor about 20 years ago. You can read more about it here:
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/fatigued-by-a-fake-disease/10 -
@Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink the test was done by Pharmasan Labs. When offered to me, it seemed legit as I had several cortisol tests run on me before (24-hour urine). I didn't think much of it. Then a week ago someone handed me a book on "Adrenal Fatigue" which I never heard of, and I was blown away at how bogus it all seemed.0
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@Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink the test was done by Pharmasan Labs. When offered to me, it seemed legit as I had several cortisol tests run on me before (24-hour urine). I didn't think much of it. Then a week ago someone handed me a book on "Adrenal Fatigue" which I never heard of, and I was blown away at how bogus it all seemed.
A quick Google search paints a pretty seedy picture of them:
https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdwi/pr/nutritional-supplement-provider-and-ceo-plead-guilty-false-claims-act-violations
https://www.justice.gov/usao-wdwi/pr/osceola-laboratory-agrees-pay-85-million-resolve-false-billing-case
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Adrenal fatigue is not addressed in "Western medicine" (not a real term; science- and evidence-based medicine know no hemisphere) because it's not real.
This is untrue. Functional Medicine MD's do treat adrenal fatigue regardless of what the AMA says about it. And functional medicine doctors ARE medical doctors. Once upon a time western medicine didn't believe in chronic fatigue syndrome or fibromyalgia and yet today they are "addressed" in western medicine. Adrenal fatigue is a set of symptoms that are related to the rise and fall of cortisol at times opposite of when it should be rising and falling (usually brought on by stress). The 24hr urine cortisol test is the most accurate way to test this, but saliva testing proved very similar to my 24hr urine testing. There was some slight variation but it was not enough to make a difference in the outcome or conclusion. Using reputable testing labs is a no brainer (and not all are - just like not all doctors or hospitals are good).
If it does not apply to you, then great. But there is a huge population that adrenal fatigue does apply to and like those that were misunderstood and undiagnosed when they had CFS or Fibro, people with adrenal fatigue dealing with MD's that don't "get" it go through the same thing. Thank goodness for the functional MD's that do "get" it.
I had a friend that had what would now be called Fibro about 15yrs before it was ever recognized by doctors. She suffered horribly and was told over and over again it was in her head. And then the medical world decided "fibro" wasn't a mental disease any longer. How is this any different? You'll believe it once the AMA comes out with an official name for it, but BS on those that suffer with it before then? Nice.
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I asked this question on the Shredded By Science podcast and it was answered by Lawrence Judd and @SideSteel. I can't find the episode now.
Originally I listened to the Sigma Nutrition podcast on the topic but needed it dumbed down.1 -
ronjsteele1 wrote: »
Functional medicine MDs do a lot of things unwarranted by actual evidence. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/functional-medicine-in-practice/
CFS and fibromyalgia are collections of symptoms with no clear etiology. Anyone claiming to treat them as if they were well-understood is a fraud.
I'm not sure what you think the AMA has to do with any of this. You seem to envision a role for that organization it does not in fact exercise.1 -
ronjsteele1 wrote: »This is untrue.Functional Medicine MD's do treat adrenal fatigue regardless of what the AMA says about it. And functional medicine doctors ARE medical doctors.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/functional-medicine-the-ultimate-misnomer-in-the-world-of-integrative-medicine/Once upon a time western medicine didn't believe in chronic fatigue syndrome or fibromyalgia and yet today they are "addressed" in western medicine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_chronic_fatigue_syndrome
Both those diagnoses came about by way of research. Adrenal fatigue was invented by a quack who had no real understanding of the endocrine system.Adrenal fatigue is a set of symptoms that are related to the rise and fall of cortisol at times opposite of when it should be rising and falling (usually brought on by stress).The 24hr urine cortisol test is the most accurate way to test this
http://www.mayomedicallaboratories.com/test-catalog/Clinical+and+Interpretive/8546But there is a huge population that adrenal fatigue does apply topeople with adrenal fatigue dealing with MD's that don't "get" itThank goodness for the functional MD's that do "get" it.You'll believe it once the AMA comes out with an official name for it, but BS on those that suffer with it before then? Nice.
And I'm not saying that these people are not suffering from something, they are, but it's not adrenal fatigue, no matter what the quacks say.
Now I know you're going to come back with a long winded rant about how you could post so much research, and that I won't believe it, and that I now to holy altar of science. But just once, I beg you, post something scientific. If not then don't respond, you're not doing yourself any favors
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ronjsteele1 wrote: »This is untrue.Functional Medicine MD's do treat adrenal fatigue regardless of what the AMA says about it. And functional medicine doctors ARE medical doctors.
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/functional-medicine-the-ultimate-misnomer-in-the-world-of-integrative-medicine/Once upon a time western medicine didn't believe in chronic fatigue syndrome or fibromyalgia and yet today they are "addressed" in western medicine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_chronic_fatigue_syndrome
Both those diagnoses came about by way of research. Adrenal fatigue was invented by a quack who had no real understanding of the endocrine system.Adrenal fatigue is a set of symptoms that are related to the rise and fall of cortisol at times opposite of when it should be rising and falling (usually brought on by stress).The 24hr urine cortisol test is the most accurate way to test this
http://www.mayomedicallaboratories.com/test-catalog/Clinical+and+Interpretive/8546But there is a huge population that adrenal fatigue does apply topeople with adrenal fatigue dealing with MD's that don't "get" itThank goodness for the functional MD's that do "get" it.You'll believe it once the AMA comes out with an official name for it, but BS on those that suffer with it before then? Nice.
And I'm not saying that these people are not suffering from something, they are, but it's not adrenal fatigue, no matter what the quacks say.
Now I know you're going to come back with a long winded rant about how you could post so much research, and that I won't believe it, and that I now to holy altar of science. But just once, I beg you, post something scientific. If not then don't respond, you're not doing yourself any favors2 -
@Anvil_Head thank you for that, I am amazed they are still in business.
@bbell1985 I want to check out those podcasts now!
....So now I need to share my findings with the clinic that sold me this test. I can only assume they are just as ignorant of the lawsuits against the lab as I was. If they sold me this test and was aware, then that's a bigger issue that I should bring up with the hospital and my insurance company as well. If anyone has any suggestions for that, I'll happily listen.
Ironically, I am probably the last person on the planet who doesn't suffer from stress, isn't overworked, and gets adequate sleep. It appears I wasn't a candidate for adrenal fatigue to begin with.2 -
ronjsteele1 wrote: »
Functional medicine MDs do a lot of things unwarranted by actual evidence. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/functional-medicine-in-practice/
CFS and fibromyalgia are collections of symptoms with no clear etiology. Anyone claiming to treat them as if they were well-understood is a fraud.
I'm not sure what you think the AMA has to do with any of this. You seem to envision a role for that organization it does not in fact exercise.
1) Like other factions of MD's don't do things unwarranted by actual evidence? Doctors use drugs off label all the time to try and treat things because it *might* work. There is often little if actual "evidence" that doing so will work. And yet they do it. Or, they might have read a small study so they'll try something on a patient. And yet the same people will brush off a functional medicine doctor treating a patient because of a small study that indicated trying something might be worth it. So functional MD's working off of what they have in front of them (the patient) is really no different. If it is, then what you're really saying is you only believe that doctors who think just like you do are actually real or good doctors. Wow. So you're tossing out an entire faction of MD's as "woo?" Interesting.
2) There are 31 known drugs used to treat fibromyalgia.
https://www.drugs.com/condition/fibromyalgia.html
http://www.webmd.com/fibromyalgia/guide/fibromyalgia-treatment-medications-that-can-and-cant-help
So what you're saying is using them when the etiology of Fibro is not well understood is okay? Wait. Then why is it not okay to treat the symptoms of adrenal fatigue even though the etiology of it is not yet well understood? Although, I would wager a bet that way more is understood about AF then about fibro or CFS b/c we at least understand what stress does to cortisol levels in the body and how cortisol levels clearly effect health. There isn't much understanding (if any really) as to what actually causes CFS and fibro. There are a lot of theories though.
3) Because ultimately the AMA comes out and decides what really is a "disease" and what isn't. Until they put their stamp of "we believe this exists" on something a lot of people will not acknowledge it. So yeah, they play a huge role in what doctors and others believe about medicine and diseases.2 -
Hokum.4
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Now I know you're going to come back with a long winded rant about how you could post so much research, and that I won't believe it, and that I now to holy altar of science. But just once, I beg you, post something scientific. If not then don't respond, you're not doing yourself any favors
Nope. You're wrong. I'm not coming back with anything to argue with you about. 1) You pop onto this forum so conveniently anytime something you disagree with is posted and yet add nothing (or almost nothing) to any other part of the forum). So as far as I'm concerned, you're a troll. Are you actually paid to come here and dispute people? 2) It doesn't pay to argue with a *kitten*. It's that simple.
You stated your side, I stated mine. End of story. People can decide for themselves. I do not worship at the feet of "science." I've stated that before. I look at what's in front of me, what I've seen work and not work, and what I've read and gleaned from scientific sources, my own and other's personal experiences. I'm good with that. If you're not, no one is telling you what to think or believe or practice. But I will certainly offer the info up to others and they can do with what they want with it.
I agree with OP. If he was not someone who lived the lifestyle that could lead to AF, then testing was done for wrong reasons. As I've said before, there are good doctors and bad doctors (and I'm including every kind from family practice MD's to dentists, chiros, ND's, oncologists, surgeons, you name it). I've found far more bad ones then good ones. A good practitioner of any kind is few and far between. If you find someone you like that meets your goals and expectations then I wouldn't be quick to part with them.0 -
This is a great blog post about the AMA. Are they the official disease arbitor? Nope. But without their stamp of approval medical conditions will rarely, if ever, be recognized and if one follows it through (as she does so well), the FDA/drug companies play a major role in what is deemed a disease and what isn't. I guess there just isn't a drug for AF yet. I'm sure when there is the AMA will decide AF is worthy of being called a "disease." Perhaps by then other MD's will catch up to functional medicine doctors that are using cortef in low doses to help treat AF.0
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Maybe some folks are confusing adrenal insufficiency with adrenal fatigue? Also known as Addison's, adrenal insufficiency is caused by your adrenals not producing enough essential hormones like cortisol or aldosterone. I had incidents of dizziness upon standing, which along with my chronically low blood pressure, led my endocrinologist to explore whether this was an issue for me back when I was first dxed with hypothyroidism. Thankfully, he finally figured out it was a b12 deficiency, I started taking supplements, and the noisome symptoms abated.
Google "JAMA" and "Adrenal Insufficiency" and you're find plenty of medical support of its existence.1 -
Can't tell you how many desperate clients of mine who have talked to "functional MD's" thinking they were jacked up, when really all they needed was just a great RD and some good instruction on physical fitness.
Pseudoscience isn't science. Lots of chiropractors, reiki, herbalists, etc. spout BS that isn't evidence based and playing to the naivety of those unfamiliar with how science actually works within the body.
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ronjsteele1 wrote: »Now I know you're going to come back with a long winded rant about how you could post so much research, and that I won't believe it, and that I now to holy altar of science. But just once, I beg you, post something scientific. If not then don't respond, you're not doing yourself any favors
Nope. You're wrong. I'm not coming back with anything to argue with you about. 1) You pop onto this forum so conveniently anytime something you disagree with is posted and yet add nothing (or almost nothing) to any other part of the forum). So as far as I'm concerned, you're a troll. Are you actually paid to come here and dispute people? 2) It doesn't pay to argue with a *kitten*. It's that simple.
You stated your side, I stated mine. End of story. People can decide for themselves. I do not worship at the feet of "science." I've stated that before. I look at what's in front of me, what I've seen work and not work, and what I've read and gleaned from scientific sources, my own and other's personal experiences. I'm good with that. If you're not, no one is telling you what to think or believe or practice. But I will certainly offer the info up to others and they can do with what they want with it.
I agree with OP. If he was not someone who lived the lifestyle that could lead to AF, then testing was done for wrong reasons. As I've said before, there are good doctors and bad doctors (and I'm including every kind from family practice MD's to dentists, chiros, ND's, oncologists, surgeons, you name it). I've found far more bad ones then good ones. A good practitioner of any kind is few and far between. If you find someone you like that meets your goals and expectations then I wouldn't be quick to part with them.
Um. Just because they only contribute to the odd thread doesn't make them a troll. Disputing what you believe doesn't make them a troll.
I know what side I'm falling on and it isn't that of "functional" medicine.4 -
VintageFeline wrote: »Um. Just because they only contribute to the odd thread doesn't make them a troll. Disputing what you believe doesn't make them a troll.
I know what side I'm falling on and it isn't that of "functional" medicine.
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ronjsteele1 wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »
Functional medicine MDs do a lot of things unwarranted by actual evidence. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/functional-medicine-in-practice/
CFS and fibromyalgia are collections of symptoms with no clear etiology. Anyone claiming to treat them as if they were well-understood is a fraud.
I'm not sure what you think the AMA has to do with any of this. You seem to envision a role for that organization it does not in fact exercise.
1) Like other factions of MD's don't do things unwarranted by actual evidence? Doctors use drugs off label all the time to try and treat things because it *might* work. There is often little if actual "evidence" that doing so will work. And yet they do it. Or, they might have read a small study so they'll try something on a patient. And yet the same people will brush off a functional medicine doctor treating a patient because of a small study that indicated trying something might be worth it. So functional MD's working off of what they have in front of them (the patient) is really no different.If it is, then what you're really saying is you only believe that doctors who think just like you do are actually real or good doctors. Wow. So you're tossing out an entire faction of MD's as "woo?" Interesting.2) There are 31 known drugs used to treat fibromyalgia.
https://www.drugs.com/condition/fibromyalgia.html
http://www.webmd.com/fibromyalgia/guide/fibromyalgia-treatment-medications-that-can-and-cant-help
So what you're saying is using them when the etiology of Fibro is not well understood is okay? Wait. Then why is it not okay to treat the symptoms of adrenal fatigue even though the etiology of it is not yet well understood?
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First, I thought functional medicine treats the person and underlying cause, not symptoms?
Second, it's unethical to treat a fake disease with unproven treatments and useless supplements, that's why it's not OK.
Third, no matter how much you think it's real, adrenal fatigue is a fake diagnosis, so there is no etiology to understand.Although, I would wager a bet that way more is understood about AF then about fibro or CFSb/c we at least understand what stress does to cortisol levels in the body and how cortisol levels clearly effect health.3) Because ultimately the AMA comes out and decides what really is a "disease" and what isn't. Until they put their stamp of "we believe this exists" on something a lot of people will not acknowledge it. So yeah, they play a huge role in what doctors and others believe about medicine and diseases.
Wrong as usual. You still have no idea what the AMA does. In the case of CFS, it was the CDC who came up with the diagnosis, for fibromyalgia it was the American college of Rheumatology.3 -
Here's what the Endocrine Society has to say about "Adrenal Fatigue":
MYTH VS. FACT
Adrenal Fatigue - January 2015
Katherine Chubinskaya, MD
Luciano Kolodny, MD
Jason Wexler, MD
Carol Zapalowski, MD, PhD
Are you feeling run down and stressed? Struggling to keep up with life and all its demands? Having trouble sleeping? You might have read about “adrenal fatigue” as a reason for your symptoms. Although some popular health books and alternative medicine websites state that adrenal fatigue is a real diagnosis, this is not proven by medical science.
This fact sheet was created to address myths about adrenal fatigue and to provide facts on its relation to true medical diseases.
Overview
“Adrenal fatigue” is not a real medical condition. There are no scientific facts to support the theory that long-term mental, emotional, or physical stress drains the adrenal glands and causes many common symptoms.
Adrenal insufficiency is a real disease diagnosed through blood tests.
There is no test that can detect adrenal fatigue.
Supplements and vitamins made to “treat” adrenal fatigue may not be safe. Taking these supplements when you don’t need them can cause your adrenal glands to stop working and may put your life in danger.
What is “adrenal fatigue”?
The term “adrenal fatigue” has been used to explain a group of symptoms that are said to occur in people who are under long-term mental, emotional, or physical stress. Supporters of adrenal fatigue say that you may be more likely to develop this condition if, for example, you have a stressful job; are a shift worker, working student, or single parent; or if you abuse alcohol or drugs.
Adrenal Fatigue Symptoms said to be due to adrenal fatigue include tiredness, trouble falling asleep at night or waking up in the morning, salt and sugar craving, and needing stimulants like caffeine to get through the day. These symptoms are common and non-specific, meaning they can be found in many diseases. They also can occur as part of a normal, busy life.
No scientific proof exists to support adrenal fatigue as a true medical condition. Doctors are concerned that if you are told you have this condition, the real cause of your symptoms may not be found and treated correctly. Also, treatment for adrenal fatigue may be expensive, since insurance companies are unlikely to cover the costs.
What is the theory behind adrenal fatigue?
Supporters of adrenal fatigue believe the problem begins when many different life stresses become too much for the body to handle. Our adrenal glands—small organs located above the kidneys—usually deal with stress by producing hormones like cortisol. According to the theory of adrenal fatigue, when people are faced with long-term stress, their adrenal glands cannot keep up with the body’s need for these hormones. When this happens, symptoms of “adrenal fatigue” may appear.
What’s the difference between adrenal fatigue and adrenal insufficiency?
While adrenal fatigue is not accepted by most doctors, adrenal insufficiency is a real medical condition that occurs when our adrenal glands cannot produce enough hormones. Adrenal insufficiency is caused by damage to the adrenal glands or a problem with the pituitary gland—a pea-sized gland in the brain that tells the adrenals to produce cortisol.
A person with adrenal insufficiency may be dehydrated, confused, or losing weight. He or she may feel weak, tired, or dizzy, and have low blood pressure. Other symptoms include stomach pain, nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea.
Adrenal insufficiency is diagnosed through blood tests, and can be treated with medications that replace the hormones the adrenals would normally make.
How is adrenal fatigue “diagnosed”?
There is no test that can detect adrenal fatigue. Many times, a person will be told he or she has adrenal fatigue based on symptoms alone. Sometimes, a blood or saliva test may be offered, but tests for adrenal fatigue are not based on scientific facts or supported by good scientific studies, so the results and analysis of these tests may not be correct.
Are treatments for adrenal fatigue helpful or harmful?
Supporters of adrenal fatigue may advise you to improve your lifestyle by giving up smoking, alcohol, and drugs. Starting an exercise program, eating healthy foods, and following a daily routine for sleeping and waking will almost always make you feel better, no matter what the medical diagnosis.
You may also be told to buy special supplements or vitamins. These supplements claim to be made just for adrenal health. While regular vitamins and minerals may be good for your health, doctors are concerned that supplements or vitamins sold as a treatment for adrenal fatigue could hurt you. Many of these supplements have not been tested for safety.
The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (the government agency that oversees most food and medical products) does not oversee nutritional supplements and vitamins. This means there is no guarantee that what’s on the label of a supplement is really what’s inside the bottle. In some cases, supplements have very few, if any, active ingredients. In other cases, the dose of a particular ingredient may be too high. This is true if you purchase supplements from your local drug store or a specialty pharmacy (sometimes called a compounding pharmacy) where supplements are made directly by the pharmacist.
If you take adrenal hormone supplements when you don’t need them, your adrenal glands may stop working and become unable to make the hormones you need when you are under physical stress. When these supplements are stopped, a person’s adrenal glands can remain “asleep” for months. People with this problem may be in danger of developing a life-threatening condition called adrenal crisis.
What should you do if you have been told you have adrenal fatigue?
Doctors urge you not to waste precious time accepting an unproven diagnosis such as “adrenal fatigue” if you feel tired, weak, or depressed. If you have these symptoms, you may have adrenal insufficiency, depression, obstructive sleep apnea, or other health problems. Getting a real diagnosis is very important to help you feel better and overcome your health problem.
One of the best sources for any kind of evidence-based medical information is the National Institutes of Health (NIH). To read more about adrenal insufficiency, please go to the NIH website at: http://endocrine.niddk.nih.gov/pubs/addison/addison.htm.
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ronjsteele1 wrote: »Now I know you're going to come back with a long winded rant about how you could post so much research, and that I won't believe it, and that I now to holy altar of science. But just once, I beg you, post something scientific. If not then don't respond, you're not doing yourself any favors
Nope. You're wrong. I'm not coming back with anything to argue with you about.
The following paragraph is one big ad hominem, another logical fallacy brought to you by ronjsteele.1) You pop onto this forum so conveniently anytime something you disagree with is posted and yet add nothing (or almost nothing) to any other part of the forum). So as far as I'm concerned, you're a troll. Are you actually paid to come here and dispute people? 2) It doesn't pay to argue with a *kitten*. It's that simple.
So you can't address my arguments or even support your own, I guess your only resource is to attack me. Brilliant.You stated your side, I stated mine. End of story. People can decide for themselves.
Sorry but it's not the end of the story. I and others actually supported our side with science, here's more proving adrenal fatigue is fake, not that you'll read it, but others who are willing to learn may find it interesting:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4997656/
You supported your side with logical fallacies and baseless assertions with no supporting evidence to back up your claims.I do not worship at the feet of "science." I've stated that before.I look at what's in front of me, what I've seen work and not work, and what I've read and gleaned from scientific sources, my own and other's personal experiences. I'm good with that.But I will certainly offer the info up to others and they can do with what they want with it.I agree with OP. If he was not someone who lived the lifestyle that could lead to AF, then testing was done for wrong reasons.As I've said before, there are good doctors and bad doctors (and I'm including every kind from family practice MD's to dentists, chiros, ND's, oncologists, surgeons, you name it).I've found far more bad ones then good ones. A good practitioner of any kind is few and far between. If you find someone you like that meets your goals and expectations then I wouldn't be quick to part with them.
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LeanButNotMean44 wrote: »Here's what the Endocrine Society has to say about "Adrenal Fatigue":
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In other words, it's an imaginary disease and the only ones who believe in it are naturopaths and "alternative medicine" quacks.
It's like insisting that Santa Claus is real because most children below the age of 8 believe in him.4 -
Only chiming in here since I was tagged above and I covered this fairly thoroughly on SBS Radio.
I don't know much about fibromyalgia so I won't comment there.
Adrenal Fatigue is a made-up condition. The symptoms of adrenal fatigue are indeed real, but it's not a diagnosis recognized by non-quack doctors.
It was originally invented by a chiropractor to describe a rather nonspecific set of symptoms.
The premise of adrenal fatigue is that your adrenal glands essentially can't keep up with demand, however there's no evidence of this actually happening.
The main problem I have with this are that there ARE actual conditions that DO have tests, such as primary and secondary adrenal insufficiency and Addison's Disease which can be properly diagnosed in a hospital by actual doctors, and if you have these conditions you need help.
So for example you could have pituitary disease or a tumor causing ACTH to be produced in incorrect amounts (ACTH signals cortisol production in the adrenal glands). You could have physical damage to the adrenal glands. And if you have any of this, you need to go to the damn hospital, you don't need some *kitten* supplement sold by a chiropractor.
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@Tiny_Dancer_in_Pink the test was done by Pharmasan Labs. When offered to me, it seemed legit as I had several cortisol tests run on me before (24-hour urine). I didn't think much of it. Then a week ago someone handed me a book on "Adrenal Fatigue" which I never heard of, and I was blown away at how bogus it all seemed.
I just saw this post after my previous reply.
It is indeed completely bogus.
If you are concerned for your health I would recommend going to a traditional hospital and get checked out. There are a number of tests that can be administered for adrenal insufficiency and Addison's Disease.
Of course, I don't say any of this to scare you and I'm not a medical professional.
Finally, the symptoms you experience may indeed be real, and there could definitely be a benefit to reducing the stress in your life, improving the quality of your diet, and better managing the stress you do have, and getting adequate sleep.
However there's no evidence that your life stress is causing physiological problems with the function of your adrenal glands and there's no evidence that any sort of supplement is going to cure you of this problem.
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Another concern I have regards the treatment for Adrenal Fatigue. This black licorice root supplement is not advised for people with hypertension. Of course, there’s no easy way to really know what’s in these supplements because they are not FDA-approved. The most common drugs contraindicated for hypertension are stimulants. It makes sense that a stimulant would be prescribed for anything with “fatigue” in the name, but the supplement doesn’t mention any stimulant or any addictive concerns (stimulants are addictive). While I don’t know if it’s true, it worries me that people might be taking addictive stimulant drugs and not knowing it.0
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