Two months in. Why am I so hungry all of the sudden?

GeorgiePie88
GeorgiePie88 Posts: 54 Member
edited November 16 in Food and Nutrition
Hi everyone

I've been eating at 1350 calories a day since mid-January, with a goal of losing 250 g (roughly half a pound) a week.

For the longest time I've had few issues with hunger pains. Now all of the sudden, I've been ravenous all week. I've been struggling to eat under my calorie goal. The last few days I've been eating around 1700-1800 and I am STILL hungry. It's not just a rumbling stomach - I'm having headaches and am feeling dizzy.

I'm quite accurate with my tracking (I weigh most foods on a scale). I've lost 2.6 kg total (6 lbs) and am working out 3-4 times a week. I'm doing more strength training than I usually do but there's no way I could be building muscle given how I don't do enough of it and am eating at a deficit.

Lastly, no, it's nowhere near the time of the month.

The only thing I've been doing differently is that I've been eating more sugar than usual. But I doubt this would be causing me to be still so incredibly hungry after eating over my calories.

Any thoughts of what this could be?

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  • kommodevaran
    kommodevaran Posts: 17,890 Member
    If you by sugar mean sugary treats, and not real food containing sugar: Eating more sugar isn't a problem, it's that the sugar replaces nutrition you need. Sugar is pure energy/fuel, but you need building material too, to feel full. Eat more real food - fruit, vegetables, meat, fish, eggs, whole grains, dairy, fat and oils, nuts and seeds.
  • tinkerbellang83
    tinkerbellang83 Posts: 9,129 Member
    If you are feeling dizzy and having headaches then it is best to seek medical advice. It could be something as simple as not drinking enough water and being dehydrated but an internet forum is not going to be able to confirm that for you.

    Also worth noting that hormones aren't limited to affecting your body just during your period.
  • poppysierra
    poppysierra Posts: 79 Member
    Are you drinking enough? It sounds like you're dehydrated but check it out with a medic anyway just to be safe
  • StealthHealth
    StealthHealth Posts: 2,417 Member
    My experience - if, when on deficit, I spend my cals on higher sugar foods I'm likely to feel much hungrier than otherwise.

    Interesting that it's not just "junk" food that has that effect but also fruits. For me, an apple as a snack will leave me ravenous 15 mins later.
  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,427 MFP Moderator
    edited March 2017
    My experience - if, when on deficit, I spend my cals on higher sugar foods I'm likely to feel much hungrier than otherwise.

    Interesting that it's not just "junk" food that has that effect but also fruits. For me, an apple as a snack will leave me ravenous 15 mins later.

    Interestingly, we are the complete opposite. And apple will hold me down for awhile


    OP, how does your protein and fiber look? Honestly, I am more ravenous when I eat too much fat and not enough carbs. But if you added a bunch of junk, probably best to taper back on that and eat more whole foods.
  • AFGP11
    AFGP11 Posts: 142 Member
    No one has mentioned how sugar makes your insulin spike and then deplete which is what actually makes you feel hungrier faster. Sugar making you hungrier is a well established fact. Yes, people are correct that you can eat all your calories from junk food and sugar and as long as you stay under your calorie goal, you'll lose. The thing is, your body can still be starved of nutrients when you eat all your calories if you don't try to balance what you eat. If your body isn't getting a nutrient it needs, it can begin to crave more food to try and make it up. Taking a multi-vitamin might help. Drinking more water can help too because often hunger is actually thirst in disguise. But honestly if you are replacing quality, nutrient dense foods with sugary treats, you are depriving your body of what it needs for optimal performance. Especially at 1350 calories. You don't list any other stats here, but I also have a feeling 1350 is actually a bit low for you. It is a bit low for most people unless they literally don't move at all. I am 5'4" and my BMR (calorie expenditure I would have if I just lay in bed all day doing nothing at all) is over 1500 calories and generally I burn closer to 2500 in a day. I often eat 1800 calories or more and I have lose weight and inches while gaining muscles. Eating more is the best thing I've ever done for my body. I used to eat 1200 or less and while I did lose, it was pure misery. And I'm a chef.

    I really, really disagree with people here who think that what you eat doesn't matter. It does. You can lose 50 pounds but if your body fat percentage is still the same (which it likely will be if not higher after the weight loss) then you still carry the same risks for cardiovascular disease as you did when heavier. Losing weight for vanity is nice, but losing fat and maintaining muscle is how you get healthier.
  • logg1e
    logg1e Posts: 1,208 Member
    AFGP11 wrote: »
    I really, really disagree with people here who think that what you eat doesn't matter. It does. You can lose 50 pounds but if your body fat percentage is still the same (which it likely will be if not higher after the weight loss) then you still carry the same risks for cardiovascular disease as you did when heavier. Losing weight for vanity is nice, but losing fat and maintaining muscle is how you get healthier.

    Do you think that often people in the same conversation are referring to different things - losing weight vs losing fat; exercise for weight loss vs exercise for health benefits; food in terms of calories vs food in terms of nutrients etc?

  • psuLemon
    psuLemon Posts: 38,427 MFP Moderator
    AFGP11 wrote: »
    No one has mentioned how sugar makes your insulin spike and then deplete which is what actually makes you feel hungrier faster. Sugar making you hungrier is a well established fact. Yes, people are correct that you can eat all your calories from junk food and sugar and as long as you stay under your calorie goal, you'll lose. The thing is, your body can still be starved of nutrients when you eat all your calories if you don't try to balance what you eat. If your body isn't getting a nutrient it needs, it can begin to crave more food to try and make it up. Taking a multi-vitamin might help. Drinking more water can help too because often hunger is actually thirst in disguise. But honestly if you are replacing quality, nutrient dense foods with sugary treats, you are depriving your body of what it needs for optimal performance. Especially at 1350 calories. You don't list any other stats here, but I also have a feeling 1350 is actually a bit low for you. It is a bit low for most people unless they literally don't move at all. I am 5'4" and my BMR (calorie expenditure I would have if I just lay in bed all day doing nothing at all) is over 1500 calories and generally I burn closer to 2500 in a day. I often eat 1800 calories or more and I have lose weight and inches while gaining muscles. Eating more is the best thing I've ever done for my body. I used to eat 1200 or less and while I did lose, it was pure misery. And I'm a chef.

    I really, really disagree with people here who think that what you eat doesn't matter. It does. You can lose 50 pounds but if your body fat percentage is still the same (which it likely will be if not higher after the weight loss) then you still carry the same risks for cardiovascular disease as you did when heavier.
    Losing weight for vanity is nice, but losing fat and maintaining muscle is how you get healthier.

    First, the correlation of insulin to hunger is not a fact. In fact, it's largely debated because protein stimulates insulin (often as much as carbs/sugar) and it's highly correlated with satiety.

    James Kreiger has some good content on it: http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/index.php/free-content/free-content/volume-1-issue-7-insulin-and-thinking-better/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/

    And while I largely agree that improving body composition is rather important, no one loses 50 lbs of just muscle.. so the bold is a bit ridiculous. What is interesting though, carbs/sugar are actually highly beneficial to muscle growth, even while cutting weight. Carbs are anticatobolic so they inhibit protein degradation. When combined with protein (especially Leucine), you will optimize muscle protein synthesis which can allow for more periods of MPS vs Protein breakdown. This is why there is some truth in nutrient timing.

    I do agree that one should not replace whole foods with a ton of sugar, but sugar is over demonized by peoples lack of knowledge of how to apply it. Personally, I try to keep my calories from treats to about 10%. This way, it's tapered to the persons total intake. Larger intakes allow for large amounts of sweets while giving the ability to eats foods that keep you full.
  • RachelElser
    RachelElser Posts: 1,049 Member
    Are you eating lots of protein? It could be that the sugar stuff spikes your sugar levels, then it crashes and you feel hungry again. When you eat something sugary make sure you eat a protein too to keep you level- cheese, boiled egg, or jerky are all good things.
  • catmomfat
    catmomfat Posts: 97 Member
    I've been hungry all week too. Maybe because it's coldish, grey and damp here.
  • GeorgiePie88
    GeorgiePie88 Posts: 54 Member
    AFGP11 wrote: »
    No one has mentioned how sugar makes your insulin spike and then deplete which is what actually makes you feel hungrier faster. Sugar making you hungrier is a well established fact. Yes, people are correct that you can eat all your calories from junk food and sugar and as long as you stay under your calorie goal, you'll lose. The thing is, your body can still be starved of nutrients when you eat all your calories if you don't try to balance what you eat. If your body isn't getting a nutrient it needs, it can begin to crave more food to try and make it up. Taking a multi-vitamin might help. Drinking more water can help too because often hunger is actually thirst in disguise. But honestly if you are replacing quality, nutrient dense foods with sugary treats, you are depriving your body of what it needs for optimal performance. Especially at 1350 calories. You don't list any other stats here, but I also have a feeling 1350 is actually a bit low for you. It is a bit low for most people unless they literally don't move at all. I am 5'4" and my BMR (calorie expenditure I would have if I just lay in bed all day doing nothing at all) is over 1500 calories and generally I burn closer to 2500 in a day. I often eat 1800 calories or more and I have lose weight and inches while gaining muscles. Eating more is the best thing I've ever done for my body. I used to eat 1200 or less and while I did lose, it was pure misery. And I'm a chef.

    I really, really disagree with people here who think that what you eat doesn't matter. It does. You can lose 50 pounds but if your body fat percentage is still the same (which it likely will be if not higher after the weight loss) then you still carry the same risks for cardiovascular disease as you did when heavier. Losing weight for vanity is nice, but losing fat and maintaining muscle is how you get healthier.

    Thanks for your input - that makes a lot of sense.

    I'm 5'3 and currently 62.7 kg (~138 lbs). I figured that 1350 was a good amount for me as I didn't feel hungry on it. But if more of my calories are coming from sugar, it makes sense that I would be hungry as I am lacking nutrients (even if I'm eating over my limit).
  • GeorgiePie88
    GeorgiePie88 Posts: 54 Member
    edited March 2017
    For those asking if I've been eating enough protein, I have actually been eating less protein than normal lately. I've recently gone dairy-free, and I'm finding that the dairy-free options don't have nearly as much protein as the full dairy versions. For instance, I used to have Greek yogurt for breakfast every morning. Now I have coconut yogurt, which has way less protein.

    I still eat the same amount of protein from meat, but I guess Greek yogurt and cheese were great sources that I've since eliminated. I might need to look at consuming more plant-based proteins...

    But anyway, thanks for all of your input so far. A lot of your comments do make sense, but it's still puzzling why I'm so ravenous as opposed to just a little more hungry than normal. Would you think that sugar and lower amounts of protein would have this big of an effect?
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