Just booked my first 10k...HELP!
Skipper111
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OK, firstly, I apologies if 10K is seen as pathetic or a run in the park (excuse the epic pun) for any of the amazing runners I have seen on here. But for me, it is a BIG deal!
I started running late last year, using the C25K app. I am not a natural runner, in that I love it but my body is not always on my team ;-) After basking in Euphoria completing the programme, I have continued with my 5k's and still love them.
However, I am struggling to up my distance... I think it is a mind over matter thing, but does anyone have any tips for getting to my 10k? It is a couple of months away so I have time to get my training it.
Should I be breaking my distance down, and walking a little in-between? And then slowly build up my running like I did with C25K? Should I slow down and see if I can go further that way?
Any tips or advice would be so much appreciated!
I started running late last year, using the C25K app. I am not a natural runner, in that I love it but my body is not always on my team ;-) After basking in Euphoria completing the programme, I have continued with my 5k's and still love them.
However, I am struggling to up my distance... I think it is a mind over matter thing, but does anyone have any tips for getting to my 10k? It is a couple of months away so I have time to get my training it.
Should I be breaking my distance down, and walking a little in-between? And then slowly build up my running like I did with C25K? Should I slow down and see if I can go further that way?
Any tips or advice would be so much appreciated!
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I use the 10k Trainer app. Takes the guesswork out!3
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isn't there a c210k or bridge to 10k app you can use to get from 5 to 10?
if you can run 5k without stopping then you can increase your distance by increasing one of your 3 weekly runs by a k, so run 5k, 5k, 6k, slow down a bit on the 6 k run, after a couple of weeks add another k to your longest run, etc etc.
when is your race?0 -
TavistockToad wrote: »isn't there a c210k or bridge to 10k app you can use to get from 5 to 10?
if you can run 5k without stopping then you can increase your distance by increasing one of your 3 weekly runs by a k, so run 5k, 5k, 6k, slow down a bit on the 6 k run, after a couple of weeks add another k to your longest run, etc etc.
when is your race?
Thanks for the tip. There is a 10K equivalent but I am not getting on with it as well as the C25K.
I like the idea of increasing one run a week by 1k, will try that tonight.
My race is the first week of June...0 -
I found a tip the other day, whereby when you do a run/walk schedule, when you get to the end of the planned run you add a run to the distance/time of all the walk breaks you took.
When I completed c25k I didn't do a bridge to 10k or anything, I just started going a bit further. So rather than running for only 30 minutes, I upped it to 32 minutes three times a week, then 35 minutes etc.
I'm now working towards a HM BUT have dropped back into a run/walk programme for this.2 -
I agree with having 2 'short' runs of 2-3 miles each week, and adding time/distance to your 3rd running day. THis is what I did, and even though I did not stick to my training program as well as I intended: I finished a 10k this past Saturday by RUNNING THE WHOLE THING in about 68 minutes. Very pleased. I had not been doing nearly as much running in the past 6 months as I wanted.
Now my plan is to run 120 minutes a week. 2 ~30 minute sessions and 1 ~60 minute sessions. I was sore/tight after the 10k, but I also spent that afternoon doing major yard work so I can't say it was JUST the run. After about a month of this routine I think I'll add time each week. I ran 30 minutes on MOnday evening, without issue.
And, going slower is not a bad idea. I figured out that I can run about 6 miles an hour and feel burned out after 1-1.5 miles, or slow it down a little and go much further. As for the mental aspect, for me it helps to think in small chunks. I had my running app calling out my pace at every 1/10th of a mile for the 10k. No music, just people watching and focusing on my breathing and pace. Somehow that helped. I was not thinking about the distance ahead, but just getting to the next 1/10th mile announcement.2 -
StaciMarie1974 wrote: »I agree with having 2 'short' runs of 2-3 miles each week, and adding time/distance to your 3rd running day. THis is what I did, and even though I did not stick to my training program as well as I intended: I finished a 10k this past Saturday by RUNNING THE WHOLE THING in about 68 minutes. Very pleased. I had not been doing nearly as much running in the past 6 months as I wanted.
Now my plan is to run 120 minutes a week. 2 ~30 minute sessions and 1 ~60 minute sessions. I was sore/tight after the 10k, but I also spent that afternoon doing major yard work so I can't say it was JUST the run. After about a month of this routine I think I'll add time each week. I ran 30 minutes on MOnday evening, without issue.
And, going slower is not a bad idea. I figured out that I can run about 6 miles an hour and feel burned out after 1-1.5 miles, or slow it down a little and go much further. As for the mental aspect, for me it helps to think in small chunks. I had my running app calling out my pace at every 1/10th of a mile for the 10k. No music, just people watching and focusing on my breathing and pace. Somehow that helped. I was not thinking about the distance ahead, but just getting to the next 1/10th mile announcement.
This is good advice. Also remember that your long run will likely (read "should") be at a slower pace than the shorter runs and don't worry about taking walk breaks if you have to.
Good luck, and no apologies! What you are doing is awesome and all of those "amazing" runners you are referring to were intimidated by a 10K at some point too, so don't forget that.2 -
Skipper111 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »isn't there a c210k or bridge to 10k app you can use to get from 5 to 10?
if you can run 5k without stopping then you can increase your distance by increasing one of your 3 weekly runs by a k, so run 5k, 5k, 6k, slow down a bit on the 6 k run, after a couple of weeks add another k to your longest run, etc etc.
when is your race?
Thanks for the tip. There is a 10K equivalent but I am not getting on with it as well as the C25K.
I like the idea of increasing one run a week by 1k, will try that tonight.
My race is the first week of June...
that's not a huge amount of time, but its definitely doable.
i had only run 5 miles previous to my first 10k, so some of it depends on whether you're bothered about covering the distance before you race?1 -
lporter229 wrote: »
This is good advice. Also remember that your long run will likely (read "should") be at a slower pace than the shorter runs and don't worry about taking walk breaks if you have to.
Good luck, and no apologies! What you are doing is awesome and all of those "amazing" runners you are referring to were intimidated by a 10K at some point too, so don't forget that.
Amazing, thank you :-D I wanted to book it so that I have to commit. I have got too comfy with 5k now so wanting a challenge!0 -
TavistockToad wrote: »
Thanks for the tip. There is a 10K equivalent but I am not getting on with it as well as the C25K.
I like the idea of increasing one run a week by 1k, will try that tonight.
My race is the first week of June...
that's not a huge amount of time, but its definitely doable.
i had only run 5 miles previous to my first 10k, so some of it depends on whether you're bothered about covering the distance before you race? [/quote]
I definitely need to up my game! Do you think 3 runs a week will work? Or should I try and get more in? Or would that just knacker me out and make me rubbish ;-D
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The best way to force more distance. Is doing an out and back. Find an appropriate running plan, or app, then for those runs that push your boundaries, plan your route to go out 2.5 miles from your car/house/work/wherever, then you are thus required to return... scale appropriately.
Depending on how competitive you want to be, or general time frame, 3-5 days running a week is enough. 6-7 days a week are for those who have a predisposition to insanity.0 -
Skipper111 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »
I definitely need to up my game! Do you think 3 runs a week will work? Or should I try and get more in? Or would that just knacker me out and make me rubbish ;-D
Eight to ten weeks is plenty of time. Personally I'd increase to four runs, as you increase your long run you also increase a shorter run to balance the impact.
Say 5k, 5k, 5k, 5k
Then 5,5,5,7
Then 5,5,5,8
Then 5,6,5,8
Then 5,6,5,9
Then 5,7,5,9
Then 5,7,5,10
Then 5,7,6,10
Then 5,7,6,11
Finally 5,5, race
Weekly try to keep the long at 20-25% of total and avoiding more than 10% increases in a week.2 -
"I definitely need to up my game! Do you think 3 runs a week will work? Or should I try and get more in? Or would that just knacker me out and make me rubbish ;-D"
First, I skipped the 10K last year and went from a series of 5Ks to a Half Marathon. This you I'm trying a 10K.
For the 5Ks I went from Personal Running Trainer (an app through Amazon, which, I surmise, is a lot like C25K) to three runs of 5 miles each week. This worked well for the 5Ks managing to break 30 minutes in each one, and finishing in the top three in my Age/Gender group in all but one.
The Half training continued with the 5 mile runs, twice weekly, (these also got longer, gradually as the training progressed averaging about 6 miles near the end) with a long run on Saturdays (topping off at 13 miles) and a shorter (4 miles or so slow, easy run, Fridays or Sundays {I once asked the person with whom I was training "When did four miles become easy?" the reply, "When you've done 10 miles before breakfast the day before"}).
I suggest, and will be doing for my 10K training, continuing what you've done for your 5Ks, have your third run of the week get gradually longer reaching, at least 10K and add in an easy shake out jog as a fourth day. Your shorter mid week runs should also get gradually longer as you progress, as you progress these "longer" runs will seem easier as you become better conditioned. You'll soon find yourself looking for longer and longer runs and find yourself on the starting line of a Half Marathon. Distance at that ever so often referred to "conversational pace" is a very good way of conditioning yourself to run distance. It is true, speed will come with distance.0 -
Hal Higdon has training plans for all distances, including 10k. The beginner plan has 3 days of running plus two of cross training. It is very minimal in its mileage. The intermediate is better and has 5 days of running with one day of cross training. You have time to get used to running more days and more weekly mileage before starting the 8 week race training program.0
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I only run 3 x a week, my knees don't really like running more, I cycle and strength train 2 x a week as well as cross training.
Most plans recommend 3 or 4 times a week.
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My advise is to run by time not distance. Just go run for an hour a few times this week. Next week run an hour and 10 minutes. The following week push it to an hour and 15. You will notice you are going farther the end of each week even though you are running for the same time. Plus remember this is fun! You don't "have:" to do this; you "get" to do this. Consider it a blessing.1
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I was really intimidated by the idea of my first 10k too. I'd recommend making just finishing the race your goal, and not worrying about finishing in a particular time. It takes away a lot of the stress.
I like the sample schedule @MeanderingMammal mentioned. You could do it with 3 runs per week as well, by taking out one of the shorter runs each week. I didn't run more than 3x/week until I started half marathon training, so I think it's completely doable with either 3 or 4 runs per week. I'd also emphasize what other people have said about not increasing your mileage too quickly. If you make your first long run 5k and then add 0.5k to it each week, for example, you should be right on track to run 10k in early June.
A lot of people like to run/walk. There's no reason not to do that during your training or the race if you want to. Personally, I don't like it; I've always felt that it's harder for me to start running again than it is to just keep going. But it definitely works for many people, and I've seen a lot of run/walkers in every race I've ever run, no matter the distance. Nothing wrong with it at all.1 -
MeanderingMammal wrote: »Skipper111 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »
I definitely need to up my game! Do you think 3 runs a week will work? Or should I try and get more in? Or would that just knacker me out and make me rubbish ;-D
Eight to ten weeks is plenty of time. Personally I'd increase to four runs, as you increase your long run you also increase a shorter run to balance the impact.
Say 5k, 5k, 5k, 5k
Then 5,5,5,7
Then 5,5,5,8
Then 5,6,5,8
Then 5,6,5,9
Then 5,7,5,9
Then 5,7,5,10
Then 5,7,6,10
Then 5,7,6,11
Finally 5,5, race
Weekly try to keep the long at 20-25% of total and avoiding more than 10% increases in a week.
This is a great schedule, thank you. This looks a lot less daunting when broken down :-D1 -
TavistockToad wrote: »I only run 3 x a week, my knees don't really like running more, I cycle and strength train 2 x a week as well as cross training.
Most plans recommend 3 or 4 times a week.
Nice! Would you recommend I incorporate strength into my workout? I pretty much concentrate on cardio at the moment. With a small circuit training session in week day mornings. Would strength training help with the running?
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Skipper111 wrote: »
This is a great schedule, thank you. This looks a lot less daunting when broken down :-D
If you're up to 5 miles I really don't think you'll struggle with 10k, you're being too hard on yourself!1 -
Skipper111 wrote: »TavistockToad wrote: »I only run 3 x a week, my knees don't really like running more, I cycle and strength train 2 x a week as well as cross training.
Most plans recommend 3 or 4 times a week.
Nice! Would you recommend I incorporate strength into my workout? I pretty much concentrate on cardio at the moment. With a small circuit training session in week day mornings. Would strength training help with the running?
Cross training is never a bad thing1 -
Hey Em:)
This is an awesome goal!! Before August 10km was the most Id ever done either. Last August/September I used the runkeeper app to work up from 8km-20km. They have lots of great training programs where you can choose your distance goal and time line for when you want to race and your race time (how long you want the race to take). Most of them are similar progression as people me sooner above like 5k, 5k, 6k, day off then 5k,6k, and then the next week the longer run gets a little longer and some days are interval days where you do a mixture of low and high effort to help you get a faster pace. I really liked this app because it takes the guess work out of training and I found it really helped me. I'd run 10km maybe once or twice in my life before August and by the end of September I could do 20km.0 -
jnducharme wrote: »Hey Em:)
This is an awesome goal!! Before August 10km was the most Id ever done either. Last August/September I used the runkeeper app to work up from 8km-20km. They have lots of great training programs where you can choose your distance goal and time line for when you want to race and your race time (how long you want the race to take). Most of them are similar progression as people me sooner above like 5k, 5k, 6k, day off then 5k,6k, and then the next week the longer run gets a little longer and some days are interval days where you do a mixture of low and high effort to help you get a faster pace. I really liked this app because it takes the guess work out of training and I found it really helped me. I'd run 10km maybe once or twice in my life before August and by the end of September I could do 20km.
So helpful and inspiring as always my dear!
I needed a target and a challenge (after last weeks mishap) so figured, booking it was the best way to go!
I would love to set a new goal after I reach 10km, though half marathon seems completely petrifying to me ;-)
Happy Friday!!!0 -
i used the c210k app, and started at week 9 (5k distance). i think it was 13 weeks total, so it only took me 5 weeks to finish it. From what i recall, people usually recommend increasing your distance only 10% per week.I only started adding 1km a week after i had reached the 10k and not before.1
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I think booking a challenge like that is a super good way to motivate yourself and shift your focus to something positive that was my reason for doing it in the fall too. Believe me 20km sounded super far to me too! I found every time I ran a new longest distance (whether that was 10km or 11km or 13km or 15km) it always felt so much further even if it's only one more kilometre than the day before but then the second time you do it your body is like "oh this again? ok! I can do that!" and it gets easier pretty quickly. Once you reach 10km you can set a new goal, I think a half would be totally attainable for you after if you decided to go for it1
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When I wanted to increase my distance from the 5K I joined my local fleet feet running group. They had a training plan for a local ten miler and it took all the guesswork out of it, plus getting to know people and looking forward to seeing them on the weekly long runs made it a lot more fun than doing it on my own. They also offer all kinds of informational sessions on injury prevention, stretching, strength workouts for runners, etc. It's really worth doing, IMO.
Good luck!1 -
Hi there! Congrats on signing up for your first 10k! I've been running for about 7 years now. I've even taught a 10k clinic. I've run multiple races of varies distances. If you have any questions, please feel free to add me! I am by no means an expert but I have loads of experience...LOL!1
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Skipper111 wrote: »jnducharme wrote: »Hey Em:)
This is an awesome goal!! Before August 10km was the most Id ever done either. Last August/September I used the runkeeper app to work up from 8km-20km. They have lots of great training programs where you can choose your distance goal and time line for when you want to race and your race time (how long you want the race to take). Most of them are similar progression as people me sooner above like 5k, 5k, 6k, day off then 5k,6k, and then the next week the longer run gets a little longer and some days are interval days where you do a mixture of low and high effort to help you get a faster pace. I really liked this app because it takes the guess work out of training and I found it really helped me. I'd run 10km maybe once or twice in my life before August and by the end of September I could do 20km.
So helpful and inspiring as always my dear!
I needed a target and a challenge (after last weeks mishap) so figured, booking it was the best way to go!
I would love to set a new goal after I reach 10km, though half marathon seems completely petrifying to me ;-)
Happy Friday!!!
Oh I bet you can do it.
My very first 10k was back in October 2009 and I loved it so much I immediately started training for a half-marathon which I ran in May 2010.
My last half was in 2011 and I slipped on some black ice a few weeks after the race (not even running, just walking to my car) and badly damaged my knee. I took time away from running anything over 5k, but in the past couple of years I'm back to running 10k a couple of times a week and doing a longer run on a weekend, and have signed up for a half in November. And I can't wait!1 -
jennypapage wrote: »i used the c210k app, and started at week 9 (5k distance). i think it was 13 weeks total, so it only took me 5 weeks to finish it. From what i recall, people usually recommend increasing your distance only 10% per week.I only started adding 1km a week after i had reached the 10k and not before.
Nice tip thank you. I downloaded this and have done the first two days of week 9 :-)0 -
awesome. glad i could help1
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jennypapage wrote: »From what i recall, people usually recommend increasing your distance only 10% per week.I only started adding 1km a week after i had reached the 10k and not before.
There are a couple of progression principles to apply:
No more than 10% increase in pace or distance per week.
Long ideally 20-25% of cumulative weekly mileage.
That's where you end up in the realms of balancing number of runs with distance and objectives. Three runs per week does make it difficult to meaningfully adhere to those principles, four make it easier. A fifth run helps but is probably too much for now.
The other aspect is that for a race you don't need to have completed the distance in advance. For a 10K you could get away with 9K in training, for a Half you'll find many plans stop at 11miles and few marathon plans go beyond 18-20 miles.
There is a lot of value in back to backs, which effectively increase training stressors whilst limiting impact.
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