Sugar or sweetener??
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I'm personally not a fan of sweeteners, there's a lot of 'bad' in them and a lot I don't think has been studied or found.
Use sugar, slowly start to use less.
Say you use two teaspoons then in each tea use:
Two,
Then two smaller heaps
Then one and a half
Then at least get it down to one!2 -
I used to have sweetener in my coffee, then I started spending a lot of time at my (then) partner's house and he only had sugar. It got to the point where I tried sweetener again and it tasted rank! I still have sugar in coffee but limit the amount of coffee I drink - it's a treat now as opposed to a daily (or more) habit.1
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Sweeteners are really bad for your health.. They may cause health issues in the future!!
Sugar isn't great as well, it stores as fat really easy and if you want to loose weight it isn't the best.. Maybe a small amount would be fine:)
Try putting more natural things, such as honey. I have heard that stevia works for some people as well..:)1 -
AnastasiaGrs1 wrote: »Sweeteners are really bad for your health.. They may cause health issues in the future!!
Sugar isn't great as well, it stores as fat really easy and if you want to loose weight it isn't the best.. Maybe a small amount would be fine:)
Try putting more natural things, such as honey. I have heard that stevia works for some people as well..:)
Erm.... honey is sugar and last I checked, at least around these parts, sugar (the granulated white stuff sold as sugar in convenient 1kg packages) is simply pulp from sugar beets. Unless I'm mistaken, that's a natural product too....
Also, what health issues exactly are you talking about?
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Neither stevia nor erythritol causes bowel issues in most people unless they eat really big quantities or are allergic. Xylitol can be a problem for some people though. Whether you like the taste of stevia and whether you think xylitol might pose a risk to your pets are for you to decide, but most people wouldn't call those side effects.well then if we must get pedantic about it...fine.
stevia is too sweet almost sickening...xylitol causes bowel issues and is poisonous to dogs/cats erythritol same bowel issues as xylitol as it is a sugar alcohol as well.
If you look back at what I posted, you'll see this:and no sugar doesn't have as many calories as all mentioned.
honey has 62 calores per tbsp, sugar has 42....
Honey is not a non-sugar sweetener; it is mostly made up of sugar and that is where its sweetness comes from. Sugar does have more calories than all the non-sugar sweeteners that were mentioned.Compared to all non-sugar sweeteners that were mentioned.
This discussion was posted in the weight loss section, so it's a drawback if a food has a lot of calories. And for most people, dental health is also important.
lol..you really want people to use something other than sugar don't you...
and again if you want to get into details erythritol is a sugar alcohol...aka sugar that is found in many energy drinks, naturally occurs in some fruit and fermented foods but apparently when found in other foods is considered a GMO as it is ultra processed.
Erythritol is a four-carbon sugar alcohol or polyol that contains about 60 percent to 80 percent of the sweetness of table sugar.
The WHO actually says that based on the definition of GMO that Stevia and Erythritol fall into that category of a GMO
and because you need more Erythritol there is common occurrence of digestive issues esp in children.
Stevia is just ick and falls under the GMO umbrella too.
I personally don't care about GMO issues but some might.
and using these products does not mean you will lose weight it's just an expensive substitute for sugar which in moderation just like anything else is well...fine.
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AnastasiaGrs1 wrote: »Sweeteners are really bad for your health.. They may cause health issues in the future!!
Sugar isn't great as well, it stores as fat really easy and if you want to loose weight it isn't the best.. Maybe a small amount would be fine:)
Try putting more natural things, such as honey. I have heard that stevia works for some people as well..:)
1. Sweeteners are not bad for health.
2. Sugar does not inhibit fat loss or make you store fat.
3. Honey is sugar
Please just stop7 -
I like sugar...or Stevia. I just found the box of stevia packets for like $1.50. Convenient. I just don't care for the taste of Splenda or Sweet n Low, and nutrisweet messes with my stomach. You could also try honey, molasses, or maple syrup0
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Sugar is horrible. Avoid whenever possible IMO.2
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menotyou56 wrote: »Sugar is horrible. Avoid whenever possible IMO.
Does that mean you avoid all fruits, veggies, and other carbs?3 -
menotyou56 wrote: »Sugar is horrible. Avoid whenever possible IMO.
Does that mean you avoid all fruits, veggies, and other carbs?
I eat some veggies. No fruit. That's a lot different than drinking added sugar in a beverage though.1 -
Sweetener because it's lower calorie and I don't need as much as sugar.1
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menotyou56 wrote: »menotyou56 wrote: »Sugar is horrible. Avoid whenever possible IMO.
Does that mean you avoid all fruits, veggies, and other carbs?
I eat some veggies. No fruit. That's a lot different than drinking added sugar in a beverage though.
Not to your body. The rest of the components aside (fiber, protein, etc.) sugar is sugar to your body.1 -
Nothing particularly "bad" about sugar. Just higher calorie than say Stevia. Personally, the different taste of any artificial sweetener doesn't bother me so for calorie purposes, I go with it.0
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Sugarless fruit in a bottle. Lol3 -
Christine_72 wrote: »In all honestly, I'd be questioning why someone feels the need to drink 700 calories worth of soda to begin with?? What it is in these drinks that keep people so hooked that they have to have it every single day? It can't be caffeine, because many of these people also drink coffee and tea.
Sure, i drink coffee and tea every morning, but it's just a habit that I've gotten used to. I stayed at my daughters house for a few days last month, not a drop of either in her house, so i had a warm chocolate milk every morning. I was relieved to know that i don't have an addiction to the caffeine, it's just the warm a.m drink that i look for.
I agree. I am from the UK and when I see the size of some of the drinks containers in the US it boggles me. A medium McDonalds drinks container in the UK is smaller than a US small. I don't understand how people can drink 64oz of anything in one sitting without having a stomach ache/constantly needing to pee. And with hot drinks even more so. How can you drink that much before it goes cold?
I think my tea drinking is more of a psychological habit than a physical one. I only drink it at work usually when I want an excuse to get up and stretch my legs or as part of my morning ritual while my computer is loading. I only really drink fizzy drinks (Dr Pepper is my favourite) if I am very tired or hungover.1 -
Christine_72 wrote: »In all honestly, I'd be questioning why someone feels the need to drink 700 calories worth of soda to begin with?? What it is in these drinks that keep people so hooked that they have to have it every single day? It can't be caffeine, because many of these people also drink coffee and tea.
Sure, i drink coffee and tea every morning, but it's just a habit that I've gotten used to. I stayed at my daughters house for a few days last month, not a drop of either in her house, so i had a warm chocolate milk every morning. I was relieved to know that i don't have an addiction to the caffeine, it's just the warm a.m drink that i look for.
I agree. I am from the UK and when I see the size of some of the drinks containers in the US it boggles me. A medium McDonalds drinks container in the UK is smaller than a US small. I don't understand how people can drink 64oz of anything in one sitting without having a stomach ache/constantly needing to pee. And with hot drinks even more so. How can you drink that much before it goes cold?
I think my tea drinking is more of a psychological habit than a physical one. I only drink it at work usually when I want an excuse to get up and stretch my legs or as part of my morning ritual while my computer is loading. I only really drink fizzy drinks (Dr Pepper is my favourite) if I am very tired or hungover.
This is a big reason why obesity is such a big epidemic here in the US. I haven't paid much attention to the calories in my drinks until recently. In the US if you get a med. Mcdonald's meal with a drink it can exceed your calorie requirement for the DAY. We are talking about 1,000+ calories a MEAL. It's insane when you think about it. I've been getting kids meals at the drive through and cutting my portions in half and taking it home when I eat out. I have to be very aware of it or I'll easily go over my calories for the day.3 -
menotyou56 wrote: »menotyou56 wrote: »Sugar is horrible. Avoid whenever possible IMO.
Does that mean you avoid all fruits, veggies, and other carbs?
I eat some veggies. No fruit. That's a lot different than drinking added sugar in a beverage though.
I hope you avoid milk and cheese and other milk products too then.
Carrots, onions, sweat potato, corn, peas, beets, winter squash, tomato (not really a veg), peppers, fennel, cabbage, turnip, green beans, egg plant, summer squash (boiled)1 -
menotyou56 wrote: »menotyou56 wrote: »Sugar is horrible. Avoid whenever possible IMO.
Does that mean you avoid all fruits, veggies, and other carbs?
I eat some veggies. No fruit. That's a lot different than drinking added sugar in a beverage though.
Not to your body. The rest of the components aside (fiber, protein, etc.) sugar is sugar to your body.
Well I'm doing keto not zero carbs. I think I can lose the 100 plus pounds I need to lose just fine on what sugar there is in broccoli, cauliflower and avocados without harming my body.
It won't happen on sugary drinks though.
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chunkster2015 wrote: »Which is better?? I know neither but I need something in my tea!!!
Whichever works and tastes better to you . . . and whichever one works into your calorie and macro targets better.
Personally, I prefer sugar in my tea but I use sweetener in everything else.0 -
menotyou56 wrote: »menotyou56 wrote: »menotyou56 wrote: »Sugar is horrible. Avoid whenever possible IMO.
Does that mean you avoid all fruits, veggies, and other carbs?
I eat some veggies. No fruit. That's a lot different than drinking added sugar in a beverage though.
Not to your body. The rest of the components aside (fiber, protein, etc.) sugar is sugar to your body.
Well I'm doing keto not zero carbs. I think I can lose the 100 plus pounds I need to lose just fine on what sugar there is in broccoli, cauliflower and avocados without harming my body.
It won't happen on sugary drinks though.
Keto, weight loss, and sugar are not inherently linked. Keto does not go hand-in-hand with weight loss. You can gain weight on Keto, lose weight drinking sugary drinks, et cetera. If Keto works for you, great, but that has nothing to do with the thread or weight loss in general.4 -
I prefer real sugar. Artificial sweeteners though may be less calories, tend to have a higher concentration and can make you crave more I have pcos, I don't need any more help in craving sugar. So if its something I want I will just have regular sugar/coconut sugar/brown sugar. whatever it may be I choose to use.1
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Christine_72 wrote: »In all honestly, I'd be questioning why someone feels the need to drink 700 calories worth of soda to begin with?? What it is in these drinks that keep people so hooked that they have to have it every single day? It can't be caffeine, because many of these people also drink coffee and tea.
Sure, i drink coffee and tea every morning, but it's just a habit that I've gotten used to. I stayed at my daughters house for a few days last month, not a drop of either in her house, so i had a warm chocolate milk every morning. I was relieved to know that i don't have an addiction to the caffeine, it's just the warm a.m drink that i look for.
I agree. I am from the UK and when I see the size of some of the drinks containers in the US it boggles me. A medium McDonalds drinks container in the UK is smaller than a US small. I don't understand how people can drink 64oz of anything in one sitting without having a stomach ache/constantly needing to pee. And with hot drinks even more so. How can you drink that much before it goes cold?
I think my tea drinking is more of a psychological habit than a physical one. I only drink it at work usually when I want an excuse to get up and stretch my legs or as part of my morning ritual while my computer is loading. I only really drink fizzy drinks (Dr Pepper is my favourite) if I am very tired or hungover.
This is a big reason why obesity is such a big epidemic here in the US. I haven't paid much attention to the calories in my drinks until recently. In the US if you get a med. Mcdonald's meal with a drink it can exceed your calorie requirement for the DAY. We are talking about 1,000+ calories a MEAL. It's insane when you think about it. I've been getting kids meals at the drive through and cutting my portions in half and taking it home when I eat out. I have to be very aware of it or I'll easily go over my calories for the day.
pop/soda isn't the only culprit.
for example 1 cup of apple juice
113 calories
28 grams of carbs (24 from sugar)
1 cup of mountain dew
110 calories
31 grams of carbs (all from sugar)
1 cup of coke
100 calories
26 grams of carbs (26 of those from sugar)
1 cup of redbull
45 calories
11 grams of carbs 10 from sugar
1 cup of unsweetened OJ
110 calories
24 grams of carbs (20 from sugar)
As for drinking 64 oz of something....I do that with water every day...my "cup" is 24 oz and I add nesfruta to it so it's like drinking juice...no one says a word about that and how is that possible.
People are fat because they take in too many calories and don't move enough...period can't blame just one thing on it like "pop".
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menotyou56 wrote: »menotyou56 wrote: »menotyou56 wrote: »Sugar is horrible. Avoid whenever possible IMO.
Does that mean you avoid all fruits, veggies, and other carbs?
I eat some veggies. No fruit. That's a lot different than drinking added sugar in a beverage though.
Not to your body. The rest of the components aside (fiber, protein, etc.) sugar is sugar to your body.
Well I'm doing keto not zero carbs. I think I can lose the 100 plus pounds I need to lose just fine on what sugar there is in broccoli, cauliflower and avocados without harming my body.
It won't happen on sugary drinks though.
Keto, weight loss, and sugar are not inherently linked. Keto does not go hand-in-hand with weight loss. You can gain weight on Keto, lose weight drinking sugary drinks, et cetera. If Keto works for you, great, but that has nothing to do with the thread or weight loss in general.
The OP asked for opinions on whether to use sweeteners or sugar in a drink. So I gave the OP my opinion.
I fail to see how my opinion on the subject has nothing to do with this thread, but yours does of course.3 -
menotyou56 wrote: »menotyou56 wrote: »menotyou56 wrote: »menotyou56 wrote: »Sugar is horrible. Avoid whenever possible IMO.
Does that mean you avoid all fruits, veggies, and other carbs?
I eat some veggies. No fruit. That's a lot different than drinking added sugar in a beverage though.
Not to your body. The rest of the components aside (fiber, protein, etc.) sugar is sugar to your body.
Well I'm doing keto not zero carbs. I think I can lose the 100 plus pounds I need to lose just fine on what sugar there is in broccoli, cauliflower and avocados without harming my body.
It won't happen on sugary drinks though.
Keto, weight loss, and sugar are not inherently linked. Keto does not go hand-in-hand with weight loss. You can gain weight on Keto, lose weight drinking sugary drinks, et cetera. If Keto works for you, great, but that has nothing to do with the thread or weight loss in general.
The OP asked for opinions on whether to use sweeteners or sugar in a drink. So I gave the OP my opinion.
I fail to see how my opinion on the subject has nothing to do with this thread, but yours does of course.
opinion is one thing but you said you wouldn't lose weight drinking sugary drinks which in fact is false...Well I'm doing keto not zero carbs. I think I can lose the 100 plus pounds I need to lose just fine on what sugar there is in broccoli, cauliflower and avocados without harming my body.
It won't can happen on sugary drinks though...there fify0 -
menotyou56 wrote: »menotyou56 wrote: »menotyou56 wrote: »menotyou56 wrote: »Sugar is horrible. Avoid whenever possible IMO.
Does that mean you avoid all fruits, veggies, and other carbs?
I eat some veggies. No fruit. That's a lot different than drinking added sugar in a beverage though.
Not to your body. The rest of the components aside (fiber, protein, etc.) sugar is sugar to your body.
Well I'm doing keto not zero carbs. I think I can lose the 100 plus pounds I need to lose just fine on what sugar there is in broccoli, cauliflower and avocados without harming my body.
It won't happen on sugary drinks though.
Keto, weight loss, and sugar are not inherently linked. Keto does not go hand-in-hand with weight loss. You can gain weight on Keto, lose weight drinking sugary drinks, et cetera. If Keto works for you, great, but that has nothing to do with the thread or weight loss in general.
The OP asked for opinions on whether to use sweeteners or sugar in a drink. So I gave the OP my opinion.
I fail to see how my opinion on the subject has nothing to do with this thread, but yours does of course.
Seeing how the question was which is better and it is in the weight loss section, I would say pointing out that neither is "better", but that sweeteners can keep calories down has everything to do with the thread. When the OP said she needed something for in her tea and your response is "sugar is bad; avoid it", how is that helpful at all?1 -
Christine_72 wrote: »In all honestly, I'd be questioning why someone feels the need to drink 700 calories worth of soda to begin with?? What it is in these drinks that keep people so hooked that they have to have it every single day? It can't be caffeine, because many of these people also drink coffee and tea.
Sure, i drink coffee and tea every morning, but it's just a habit that I've gotten used to. I stayed at my daughters house for a few days last month, not a drop of either in her house, so i had a warm chocolate milk every morning. I was relieved to know that i don't have an addiction to the caffeine, it's just the warm a.m drink that i look for.
I agree. I am from the UK and when I see the size of some of the drinks containers in the US it boggles me. A medium McDonalds drinks container in the UK is smaller than a US small. I don't understand how people can drink 64oz of anything in one sitting without having a stomach ache/constantly needing to pee. And with hot drinks even more so. How can you drink that much before it goes cold?
I think my tea drinking is more of a psychological habit than a physical one. I only drink it at work usually when I want an excuse to get up and stretch my legs or as part of my morning ritual while my computer is loading. I only really drink fizzy drinks (Dr Pepper is my favourite) if I am very tired or hungover.
This is a big reason why obesity is such a big epidemic here in the US. I haven't paid much attention to the calories in my drinks until recently. In the US if you get a med. Mcdonald's meal with a drink it can exceed your calorie requirement for the DAY. We are talking about 1,000+ calories a MEAL. It's insane when you think about it. I've been getting kids meals at the drive through and cutting my portions in half and taking it home when I eat out. I have to be very aware of it or I'll easily go over my calories for the day.
pop/soda isn't the only culprit.
for example 1 cup of apple juice
113 calories
28 grams of carbs (24 from sugar)
1 cup of mountain dew
110 calories
31 grams of carbs (all from sugar)
1 cup of coke
100 calories
26 grams of carbs (26 of those from sugar)
1 cup of redbull
45 calories
11 grams of carbs 10 from sugar
1 cup of unsweetened OJ
110 calories
24 grams of carbs (20 from sugar)
As for drinking 64 oz of something....I do that with water every day...my "cup" is 24 oz and I add nesfruta to it so it's like drinking juice...no one says a word about that and how is that possible.
People are fat because they take in too many calories and don't move enough...period can't blame just one thing on it like "pop".
Oh I probably drink that much water too but that's over a whole day in multiple glasses or a bottle with a screw top. These massive drinks containers are supposed to be consumed in a short amount of time right? Or they will go flat. Otherwise why are they served with a straw?
Saying that, I can easily drink three or four pints of beer on a night at the pub. It just means I need to pee frequently! The difference is I am also getting a buzz. With high calorie non-alcohol drinks there I don't see the appeal. Each to their own though
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AnastasiaGrs1 wrote: »Sweeteners are really bad for your health.. They may cause health issues in the future!!
Sugar isn't great as well, it stores as fat really easy and if you want to loose weight it isn't the best.. Maybe a small amount would be fine:)
Try putting more natural things, such as honey. I have heard that stevia works for some people as well..:)
1. Sweeteners are not bad for health.
2. Sugar does not inhibit fat loss or make you store fat.
3. Honey is sugar
Please just stop
Hahahaha ok... soooo
1. http://www.rodalesorganiclife.com/food/trying-lose-weight-stay-away-artificial-sweeteners?amp
http://www.medicaldaily.com/4-dangerous-effects-artificial-sweeteners-your-health-247543?amp=1
2. Sugar will not make you store fat if you do an activity right after...or 2-3 hours later.. Unless your metabolism is really high..
3. Honey is natural ... of course it is much better than an artificial sweetener ... it is natural! 1 -
ladyreva78 wrote: »AnastasiaGrs1 wrote: »Sweeteners are really bad for your health.. They may cause health issues in the future!!
Sugar isn't great as well, it stores as fat really easy and if you want to loose weight it isn't the best.. Maybe a small amount would be fine:)
Try putting more natural things, such as honey. I have heard that stevia works for some people as well..:)
Erm.... honey is sugar and last I checked, at least around these parts, sugar (the granulated white stuff sold as sugar in convenient 1kg packages) is simply pulp from sugar beets. Unless I'm mistaken, that's a natural product too....
Also, what health issues exactly are you talking about?
EDIT: for clarity's sake
http://www.medicaldaily.com/4-dangerous-effects-artificial-sweeteners-your-health-247543?amp=1
http://www.rodalesorganiclife.com/food/trying-lose-weight-stay-away-artificial-sweeteners?amp
As I said..it may...not will.. I am not an expert, but I try to stay informed0 -
AnastasiaGrs1 wrote: »AnastasiaGrs1 wrote: »Sweeteners are really bad for your health.. They may cause health issues in the future!!
Sugar isn't great as well, it stores as fat really easy and if you want to loose weight it isn't the best.. Maybe a small amount would be fine:)
Try putting more natural things, such as honey. I have heard that stevia works for some people as well..:)
1. Sweeteners are not bad for health.
2. Sugar does not inhibit fat loss or make you store fat.
3. Honey is sugar
Please just stop
Hahahaha ok... soooo
1. http://www.rodalesorganiclife.com/food/trying-lose-weight-stay-away-artificial-sweeteners?amp
http://www.medicaldaily.com/4-dangerous-effects-artificial-sweeteners-your-health-247543?amp=1
2. Sugar will not make you store fat if you do an activity right after...or 2-3 hours later.. Unless your metabolism is really high..
3. Honey is natural ... of course it is much better than an artificial sweetener ... it is natural!
https://examine.com/nutrition/artificial-sweeteners-is-the-evidence-as-sweet-as-these-substitutes/
Sources are easy to find on Google; quality sources require a little more research. Honey (natural as it claims to be) is still sugar.3 -
menotyou56 wrote: »menotyou56 wrote: »menotyou56 wrote: »menotyou56 wrote: »Sugar is horrible. Avoid whenever possible IMO.
Does that mean you avoid all fruits, veggies, and other carbs?
I eat some veggies. No fruit. That's a lot different than drinking added sugar in a beverage though.
Not to your body. The rest of the components aside (fiber, protein, etc.) sugar is sugar to your body.
Well I'm doing keto not zero carbs. I think I can lose the 100 plus pounds I need to lose just fine on what sugar there is in broccoli, cauliflower and avocados without harming my body.
It won't happen on sugary drinks though.
Keto, weight loss, and sugar are not inherently linked. Keto does not go hand-in-hand with weight loss. You can gain weight on Keto, lose weight drinking sugary drinks, et cetera. If Keto works for you, great, but that has nothing to do with the thread or weight loss in general.
The OP asked for opinions on whether to use sweeteners or sugar in a drink. So I gave the OP my opinion.
I fail to see how my opinion on the subject has nothing to do with this thread, but yours does of course.
Seeing how the question was which is better and it is in the weight loss section, I would say pointing out that neither is "better", but that sweeteners can keep calories down has everything to do with the thread. When the OP said she needed something for in her tea and your response is "sugar is bad; avoid it", how is that helpful at all?
Because IMO drinking calories from sugary drinks is not very conducive for weight loss IMO.
I did not realize that was a controversial subject on a weight loss site but my asked for opinion stands regardless.3
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