High Blood Pressure and High Cholestrol
JerSchmare
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Not sure how to ask this question. I've been on MFP for many years. I recently left the site for another competing site, but came back here. I have been logging my food and excercise for a long time. I'm 52 YO, 6', last weigh-in was 184.
I workout 6 days a week: M, W, and F I do a 5/3/1 strength training program, T, Th, Sat I run on a treadmill for 3 miles, on Sat I usually hill sprint on the treadmill. Sun I rest.
I eat pretty damn good. Let's keep the snark aside. I never eat fast food. I take my lunches to work everyday. I typically eat baked chicken breast with a serving of BBQ sauce. Some fruit. And a veggie. For breakfast, most days I have a Quest bar (usually chocolate chip cookie dough, 190 cals). Dinner is about the same as lunch except more cals.
Most days I eat about 2,000 calories. I do add my workout calories. For weight lifting it's about 250 per session. For running it's about 400.
The only bad things I do are: I have 2 drinks, sometimes 3 every night. This is how I relax from my extremely stressful work. But, I do stop after 3. The other bad thing is that Sat night is date night with my wife. Since we're new to town, we enjoy trying new restaurants. I eat whatever I want and don't track it.
I'm pissed off because I feel like I really am in good shape, work hard 6 days a week, eat well 6 days a week, and don't really do anything that should be causing this.
I don't know what to change. I'll cut the drinking at night, and I'll cut the Sat eating, and will eat reasonably on our date night. But, I am at a loss because there isn't a lot to improve on.
Are there certain foods I should be eating more of? I have googled it, but I can't find real information. It all seems like uneducated opinions.
I'm on vacation right now, so I'm not logging. But, after this trip, things are going to have to change. I just don't know what I should change. Should I do more cardio? Should I focus more on diet. The doctor didn't have much to say about it. Mainly focus on reducing salt, coffee, and alcohol. I'll do that, but seems like that might not be enough.
Thank in advance.
I workout 6 days a week: M, W, and F I do a 5/3/1 strength training program, T, Th, Sat I run on a treadmill for 3 miles, on Sat I usually hill sprint on the treadmill. Sun I rest.
I eat pretty damn good. Let's keep the snark aside. I never eat fast food. I take my lunches to work everyday. I typically eat baked chicken breast with a serving of BBQ sauce. Some fruit. And a veggie. For breakfast, most days I have a Quest bar (usually chocolate chip cookie dough, 190 cals). Dinner is about the same as lunch except more cals.
Most days I eat about 2,000 calories. I do add my workout calories. For weight lifting it's about 250 per session. For running it's about 400.
The only bad things I do are: I have 2 drinks, sometimes 3 every night. This is how I relax from my extremely stressful work. But, I do stop after 3. The other bad thing is that Sat night is date night with my wife. Since we're new to town, we enjoy trying new restaurants. I eat whatever I want and don't track it.
I'm pissed off because I feel like I really am in good shape, work hard 6 days a week, eat well 6 days a week, and don't really do anything that should be causing this.
I don't know what to change. I'll cut the drinking at night, and I'll cut the Sat eating, and will eat reasonably on our date night. But, I am at a loss because there isn't a lot to improve on.
Are there certain foods I should be eating more of? I have googled it, but I can't find real information. It all seems like uneducated opinions.
I'm on vacation right now, so I'm not logging. But, after this trip, things are going to have to change. I just don't know what I should change. Should I do more cardio? Should I focus more on diet. The doctor didn't have much to say about it. Mainly focus on reducing salt, coffee, and alcohol. I'll do that, but seems like that might not be enough.
Thank in advance.
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Less alcohol is where I would probably start. Increasing consumption of fish, nuts and fiber, while limiting added sugars and SFA have been linked to improved metabolic markers. But there is also a genetic component that might be coming into play.
What do you actual numbers look like?0 -
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Increasing fiber can improve cholesterol numbers. Beans are good - I make a black bean soup that I have for lunch that has 18 g of fiber/serving. If you drink coffee, I've read that using a method with a paper filter is better than methods without.
I'd try to cut alcohol to the weekend only.
Meditation could be an option to help blood pressure; check out the Headspace app and/or the book "10% Happier" for more info without anything too crazy.
Honestly, you should probably book a consult with a dietitian to get specific advice to tweak your existing diet.1 -
JerSchmare wrote: »Less alcohol is where I would probably start. Increasing consumption of fish, nuts and fiber, while limiting added sugars and SFA have been linked to improved metabolic markers. But there is also a genetic component that might be coming into play.
What do you actual numbers look like?
Thanks. Dr called me while I'm on vacation, so I wasn't able to write it down. LDL is high. Over, cholestrol was 240. Don't remember the LDL count. BP was 160/93. All else was good. I asked if I needed to do anything. For the BP, they prescribed 12.5 MGhydrochlorothiazide. They told me to clean up my diet and exercise everyday, which isn't helpful since I already do that.
Triglycerides tend to be a bigger deal, as total cholesterol can be inflated due to high HDL. You might find the below interesting discussion on the important markers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPDfCcoh0IQ
How much sodium do you consume daily? What about fiber? Do you eat fish?0 -
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Was the bp reading isolated, or have you had repeated elevated readings? I was on HCTZ 25mg for high bp. It's a diuretic, first-line of defense bp med with very few side effects. I understand your desire to control this with diet and exercise as much as possible, though. As psuLemon said, sometimes genetics dictate otherwise and we need a little pharmaceutical help.3
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Re alcohol: To think of it this way, you were roughly consuming 25-35% (~200 cal per drink with a 2k cal limit) of your daily calories in alcohol limiting to weekends will definitely allow for an increase in fibrous foods, fish and nuts (pretty much increase PUFA/MUFA).
BTW, men should aim for ~25g+ of fiber a day.
PS - I should note I have high LDL cholesterol (thanks mom and dad). And nothing I have done has really impacted that. One of these days, I plan on getting an LDL-P test to see particulate size.0 -
The BP could be hereditary. Do you have a family history of high BP or other heart-related issues?0
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Sounds like you have some good places to start based on what other users have posted in terms of diet. With your blood pressure being high, and the fact that you seem to have a stressful job, I would highly suggest looking into fixes unrelated to alcohol. Have you every tried yoga or meditation? I used to have high blood pressure every time I went to the doctor, even with a vegan diet and no caffeine consumption. It was all related to my stress levels and anxiety.
Even simple breathing techniques have been proven to lower stress levels and blood pressure over time. I meditate almost every day using the Headspace app and I love it, but if you prefer a free app, there is also one called Insight Timer that just has a bunch of free pre-loaded guided meditations that may be really great to help you get started. Hope all turns out well - cheers.1 -
Go on a plant based diet and do cardio
My numbers are
Bp105/70
Total cholesterol 1168 -
I'm going to suggest it might be genetic. I made some diet changes, but it really was medication that got my numbers down. My grandparents and great grandparents had similar issues, but didn't have the same medications available.
Ask your doctor for suggestions, and try them, but don't panic if medications are the solution in the end.1 -
bigmuneymfp wrote: »Go on a plant based diet and do cardio
My numbers are
Bp105/70
Total cholesterol 116
Damn. Beat me to it. My LDL cholesterol halved (from 202 to 88), and DH's blood pressure zipped to normal. Mine is still a bit elevated but within normal - I'm trying to lose a bit more weight to see if this makes a difference.
I'm not saying this would work for everyone, but I decided on a plan (no animal products at all) and stuck with it rigidly for about 4 weeks. I figured I do anything for 4 weeks. I then got retested to see what the outcome was. It's a more scientific approach than just trying something/anything. My diet was also very good before I did this, similar to yours.
There are lots of resources for whole-foods plant-based eating e.g. Forks over knives books and new magazine (which is pretty good), How not to Die by Dr Greger. It does mean you have to cook pretty much everything yourself, but like I said you can do pretty much anything for 4 weeks if you want it badly enough.
And if it doesn't work, at least you've ruled out something.1 -
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You're in way better shape than I am. I tried diet and exercise but unfortunately, my cholesterol is hereditary so I have to take meds. I'm also on hbp meds too. Hbp is my fault. I could reduce it if I watched my sodium.
Fresh fruit, high fiber and fish like others said. I've heard good things from taking fish oil supplements. I'm not advertising or selling but I found fiber gourmet products online. They're very good. Not cheap as white pasta but very good. A serving of pasta provides 18 grams of fiber and 130 calories.
Good luck!0 -
Welcome to the over 50 club!! :-]0
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I'd focus on diet your workout plan sounds great! Reducing alcohol would be a great start and go for the useful kind with antioxidants like dark beer or red wine, light beer should be fine too since they have less calories. For coffee that shouldn't really be bad unless you're overboard on it and adding a bunch of stuff. A cup or 2 of plain black coffee is good enough. Too much stimulants can raise blood pressure and heart rate. For cholesterol focus on fiber foods, fatty acids, use red meats sparingly or avoid it. Limit trans fats and saturated fats. Plant sterol foods or supplements are great for improving levels. Avoid refined sugars and grains like white rice and flour. Alcohol and stress can affect blood pressure! And reduce sodium intake, boosting potassium can help reduce the effects of sodium on blood pressure. Instead of adding salt to food and recipes use spices and herbs0
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You need quark and cold pressed flax oil mixed daily. You may be training etc, but the reality of vascular health isn't covered by the fitness industry my friend. Read Johanna budwig, get fixed. It's easy but a life long commitment. I workout too and thought I was healthy. No, there is a whole big world outside of the fitness sector that has the truth about real health. Hope this helps, helped all my friends with high blood pressure0
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Actually, it's probably best to talk to a registered dietitian. Especially if the doctor said something.digi051669 wrote: »You need quark and cold pressed flax oil mixed daily. You may be training etc, but the reality of vascular health isn't covered by the fitness industry my friend. Read Johanna budwig, get fixed. It's easy but a life long commitment. I workout too and thought I was healthy. No, there is a whole big world outside of the fitness sector that has the truth about real health. Hope this helps, helped all my friends with high blood pressure
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I lowered my blood pressure eating navy beans since they are one of the highest in potassium. They also taste great cooked in a crockpot with carrots, onions, celery, and butter.1
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Have you had your blood sugars checked? One underlying cause of high blood pressure is uncontrolled blood sugar. That's not to say that it's true for everyone but it is in many cases; get the blood sugar stable and often the blood pressure comes down on its own. Alcohol effects the blood sugar and can raise it substantially. I think you already know you need to cut that out or dramatically back but be careful while you do it because alcohol withdrawals can be deadly (though it doesn't sound like you drink enough for it to be that bad). You can either have your doctor do a diabetes screening or you can get an inexpensive glucose meter and check at home if you want to explore that route. This is why many people who go low carb see an improvement in their BP, because low carb helps stabilize blood sugar. Many people also find their cholesterol improves on it even though that seems counter intuitive because of all the fat and meat.
I'm not a low carb advocate and not pushing that diet in particular, just throwing out an option that I hadn't seen presented. I have several diabetics in my family so I'm unfortunately familiar with this topic.0 -
I would cut down on the drinking. You mentioned it as a necessity for an overly stressful day. IMO, stress is a dark horse when it comes to health markers. I would find another way to distress (meditation maybe) and cut back on the booze...1
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Lots of fruit and fiber (vegetables, beans, lentils etc). Nothing processed, no things out of cans, prepackaged, everything from scratch unless it is e.g. something frozen and it is very clear in the ingredient list that there are zero additives. When I say be careful of prepackaged things, this unfortunately includes things that seem "innocent", like sliced bread or cookies. If you eat lots of bread (e.g. not just a slice per day), see if your local bakery has low sodium products, because it all adds up.
Obviously when cooking do not add salt at all, your meals have to be removed from the pot/pan etc before salt is added. Be very careful with spice mixtures as some contain salt, so buy single ingredients and mix your own. Experiment a lot with spices and herbs, because no salt diets are tricky to get used to. Obviously no store bought sauces.
Avoid animal fat, try EVOO in cooking if you can afford it. No deli meats, no salty snacks, only low fat - low sodium cheese. In general, if it tastes salty, it is off limits. If it is high in animal fat, it is off limits, eat lean meats in moderation, your fat intake should mainly come from plant sources and fish. Also no fried food.
Daily cardio, but low-moderate intensity (whatever this means for you, just do not push yourself to the limits).
Avoid strength training (at least with weights high enough to really make it challenging) and avoid sprints etc, before getting approval from a cardiologist.
So unfortunately this might mean long walks and slow jogs for a while, instead of all the things you are doing, until you get cleared.
All the above is the most common medical guidelines for people with high cholesterol and high blood pressure. You will see advice claiming the opposite, such as going low carb etc. Be very careful, because in your case, following advice your dr does not approve of, it could cost your life literally. So double check whatever you do.0 -
Also, I remember reading in the past in some medical journal that BMI in the overweight range is an indicator of some problems, such as blood pressure, heart issues etc EVEN in athletes, so even if the weight comes from muscle mass. I cannot remember where I read, will update if I find it. You might want to discuss this with your dr and see if you need to further lower weight even at the cose of losing muscle.0
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I have similar problems, but mine are hormone related and celiac related. I am still struggling with it (it's been a problem growing over the last 5 years. I increased the omega's and reduced my drinking from 1-3 drinks a night to 1-3 drinks a week (this happened by accident, mostly wanting to save money but has had good effects on my health). In the past 30 days, I've only had 2 drinks all together, and my bp is already responding. I hated bp meds because they made my hair fall out and I am desperate to get it figured out so that I don't have to take them. I also starting taking ashwaghanda recommended by my midwife which is supposed to help with the hormone situation. My numbers have gone from freaky high to borderline and I'm off all meds. Weight does impact this for me too, but that's becoming a non-issue as well as I lose it.
I am really hoping to get some good ideas from this thread to look into as well. I'd love to get a handle on this too!0 -
Some other things you can do: celery seed extract or drinking celery juice is good for lowering. Beets or beet juice is also helpful. I've done beet juice shots and my BP is lower with this and the added benefit is, if I drink it right before working out I get a better workout. Some endurance athletes drink beet juice shots during their training and races and that's actually how i came across it. Further research showed the benefits on BP so I was extra happy. Hibiscus tea has also been shown to lower BP, so effectively in fact that there are warnings on BP medications not to drink it while taking the meds because it can drop your BP too low. Why you wouldn't just drink the tea instead of the meds with their side effects is beyond me, especially because hibiscus tea is very refreshing if you drink it iced in the summer. A little lime or mint is extra tasty. Just thought I'd throw some other ideas out there. I've used all of these and took my BP from 180/101 down to a normal range so something worked.
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Lots of fruit and fiber (vegetables, beans, lentils etc). Nothing processed, no things out of cans, prepackaged, everything from scratch unless it is e.g. something frozen and it is very clear in the ingredient list that there are zero additives. When I say be careful of prepackaged things, this unfortunately includes things that seem "innocent", like sliced bread or cookies. If you eat lots of bread (e.g. not just a slice per day), see if your local bakery has low sodium products, because it all adds up.
Obviously when cooking do not add salt at all, your meals have to be removed from the pot/pan etc before salt is added. Be very careful with spice mixtures as some contain salt, so buy single ingredients and mix your own. Experiment a lot with spices and herbs, because no salt diets are tricky to get used to. Obviously no store bought sauces.
Avoid animal fat, try EVOO in cooking if you can afford it. No deli meats, no salty snacks, only low fat - low sodium cheese. In general, if it tastes salty, it is off limits. If it is high in animal fat, it is off limits, eat lean meats in moderation, your fat intake should mainly come from plant sources and fish. Also no fried food.
Daily cardio, but low-moderate intensity (whatever this means for you, just do not push yourself to the limits).
Avoid strength training (at least with weights high enough to really make it challenging) and avoid sprints etc, before getting approval from a cardiologist.
So unfortunately this might mean long walks and slow jogs for a while, instead of all the things you are doing, until you get cleared.
All the above is the most common medical guidelines for people with high cholesterol and high blood pressure. You will see advice claiming the opposite, such as going low carb etc. Be very careful, because in your case, following advice your dr does not approve of, it could cost your life literally. So double check whatever you do.
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With all the exercise you get, could it be you're not be eating enough, especially of the right foods as mentioned? Do you have your MFP goals set? I know as a person who struggles with weight, if you don't eat enough and of the right foods, your body goes into a mode of it's own; kind of shuts down. Personally, I have sodium set to 1500 mg and just reduced calories to 1520. My BP has come down since I started using MFP again a month ago. And I've lost several pounds.0
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Both of these conditions can be stress-caused, too. I did some research recently on cholesterol & why our bodies make it. I found out cholesterol is part of our fight-or-flight system. It increases with stress. Most studies used pre-med students, or maybe Navy Seal trainees, and monitored their cholesterol during stressful & non-stressful times. They repeatedly found that cholesterol increased "significantly" during the more stressful times. I could not get a precise definition of "significant increase".
Of course, everyone knows that blood pressure is connected to stress.
So, I do recommend increasing fish, beans, reducing salt & alcohol. But I also suggest looking at your stress.0 -
You can be in the best shape and eat perfect and still have both in high numbers. Genetics rules over everything else till gene splicing can be perfected.
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