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Weight loss can be tied to when, not just what, you eat - CNN article
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Article talks about research showing that frontloading calories (eat more calories early) may lead to more weight loss. Two groups consuming the same calories lost different amounts of weight - the early eaters lost more. It goes on to talk about how "metabolic circadian rhythms" of the body result in people burning calories at different rates through the day. It says in most cases the body burns calories at a faster rate early compared to later in the day.
So skipping breakfast may be a double whammy. 1) Skipping breakfast increases the likelihood of overeating later in the day and potentially eating less healthy (more sweets, chips, etc.). 2) The body metabolism will burn the calories you consume earlier at a faster rate than the calories consumed later.
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So skipping breakfast may be a double whammy. 1) Skipping breakfast increases the likelihood of overeating later in the day and potentially eating less healthy (more sweets, chips, etc.). 2) The body metabolism will burn the calories you consume earlier at a faster rate than the calories consumed later.
If you want to read the article just search on the title of this discussion topic using your favorite search engine.
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Makes no difference when o'clock you eat. Calories calories calories.17 -
Link to the CNN article: http://www.cnn.com/2017/05/19/health/weight-loss-circadian-rhythms-drayer/
And some conflicting data:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/05/13/477794736/breakfast-blowback-maybe-skipping-the-morning-meal-isnt-so-bad9 -
If one is eating the same amount of calories, then how is the one eating later in the day eating more calories? That doesn't make sense.Article talks about research showing that frontloading calories (eat more calories early) may lead to more weight loss. Two groups consuming the same calories lost different amounts of weight - the early eaters lost more. It goes on to talk about how "metabolic circadian rhythms" of the body result in people burning calories at different rates through the day. It says in most cases the body burns calories at a faster rate early compared to later in the day.
So skipping breakfast may be a double whammy. 1) Skipping breakfast increases the likelihood of overeating later in the day and potentially eating less healthy (more sweets, chips, etc.). 2) The body metabolism will burn the calories you consume earlier at a faster rate than the calories consumed later.
If you want to read the article just search on the title of this discussion topic using your favorite search engine.
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that actually counters some of the recent research I've seen, which showed women who had more of the calories at night, had the same rate of fat loss and someone who front-loaded in the am/spread out during the day - but their lean muscle mass was less than the other groups - I can see if I can find the article4
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Actual study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3756673/
"Further ANOVA analyses were only performed for lunch eaters because this was the only meal timing associated with weight loss." The cutoff was lunch before 3pm versus lunch after 3pm.4 -
deannalfisher wrote: »that actually counters some of the recent research I've seen, which showed women who had more of the calories at night, had the same rate of fat loss and someone who front-loaded in the am/spread out during the day - but their lean muscle mass was less than the other groups - I can see if I can find the article
Oh I'd be interested to see that. That would be one more reason to skip breakfast.0 -
Eating breakfast makes me much hungrier during the rest of the day, as it does for a lot of people
More anecdotal evidence, but this is the case for me as well. Moving back breakfast was one of the key changes I have made to get my weight back under control.
Also, I did not got back and read the original study, but I have a little bit of an issue with this "evidence":
Another study followed two groups of overweight women with metabolic syndrome on identical 1,400-calorie weight loss diets for 12 weeks. The only difference between the groups was that their calories were distributed differently throughout the day: Both groups consumed 500 calories at lunch, but one group consumed 700 calories for breakfast and a 200-calorie dinner (the "big breakfast" group), while the other group ate 200 calories at breakfast and 700 calories at dinner (the "big dinner" group).
I am not a big fan of using someone with a medical condition to set a precedent for people without a medical condition.14 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »deannalfisher wrote: »that actually counters some of the recent research I've seen, which showed women who had more of the calories at night, had the same rate of fat loss and someone who front-loaded in the am/spread out during the day - but their lean muscle mass was less than the other groups - I can see if I can find the article
Oh I'd be interested to see that. That would be one more reason to skip breakfast.
let me see if I can find it - someone linked it on the FB group for the RD's I work with - when there was a discussion about is eating after 6pm ok0 -
I'd also say - the two articles they cited are from 2013 - which is a huge time gap in research years - would love to see what have been looked at in the intervening time3
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I don't eat in the morning. Have had no problem hitting my weight management goals.2
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Actual study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3756673/
"Further ANOVA analyses were only performed for lunch eaters because this was the only meal timing associated with weight loss." The cutoff was lunch before 3pm versus lunch after 3pm.
It seems to be more of an observational study rather than intervention study. While they gave people portion advice and asked them to weigh their food they didn't give them meal timing advice. I would be interested to see them do a more controlled study because although they had people weigh their food it doesn't guarantee adherence. It could actually be that the people who eat lighter earlier in the day actually compensated for it in the evening (not everyone does).
Also, the food choices and patterns were only analyzed for a single week of the 20 week observation period. The researchers selected the week. That sort of raises some red flags on the conclusion they reached.11 -
There was weight loss in both groups (from the two 2013 studies linked in the article), so I guess pick whichever works best for you and your schedule. All I know is eating breakfast larger than my coffee usually made me hungrier at lunch and dinner and I had a tendency to eat more throughout the day. I am also not super interested in "faster" weight loss, more finding what is sustainable for me in the long run.8
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Penthesilea514 wrote: »There was weight loss in both groups (from the two 2013 studies linked in the article), so I guess pick whichever works best for you and your schedule. All I know is eating breakfast larger than my coffee usually made me hungrier at lunch and dinner and I had a tendency to eat more throughout the day. I am also not super interested in "faster" weight loss, more finding what is sustainable for me in the long run.
You are going to do very well!7 -
I will say that I cut back my carb intake at the end of the day, and mainly stick with proteins. That's been the breakthrough I needed to break my 2 months + plateau. We're all different. Different strokes for different folks.
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Penthesilea514 wrote: »There was weight loss in both groups (from the two 2013 studies linked in the article), so I guess pick whichever works best for you and your schedule. All I know is eating breakfast larger than my coffee usually made me hungrier at lunch and dinner and I had a tendency to eat more throughout the day. I am also not super interested in "faster" weight loss, more finding what is sustainable for me in the long run.
You are going to do very well!
Thank you! I am trying 3 -
I think there is something here for people who do not calorie count. I agree if you're calorie counting, it doesn't matter when you eat. But if you're trying to maintain without logging and counting it makes sense that certain eating patterns are more successful than others. For example, they often report that the Mediterranean diet is very healthy...and if you look at these cultures you'll see that dinner is not the largest meal of the day (unless there's a celebration happening). Contrast the full English breakfast with a European breakfast. UK is the "fat man" of Europe so is a large breakfast really a good thing either? So to my mind, these studies have merit because calorie counting isn't for everyone...the vast majority of people simply do not have the discipline.5
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I didn't calorie count or eat breakfast. I still managed to lose and keep it off for over a year now.
But to be fair I was thin for most of my adult life so I knew how to do it. I didn't eat breakfast when I thin, while I was gaining, while I was losing or now that I'm thin again.0 -
Actual study: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3756673/
"Further ANOVA analyses were only performed for lunch eaters because this was the only meal timing associated with weight loss." The cutoff was lunch before 3pm versus lunch after 3pm.
It seems to be more of an observational study rather than intervention study. While they gave people portion advice and asked them to weigh their food they didn't give them meal timing advice. I would be interested to see them do a more controlled study because although they had people weigh their food it doesn't guarantee adherence. It could actually be that the people who eat lighter earlier in the day actually compensated for it in the evening (not everyone does).
Also, the food choices and patterns were only analyzed for a single week of the 20 week observation period. The researchers selected the week. That sort of raises some red flags on the conclusion they reached.
This is what I was thinking. Also, they were grouped into early eaters and later eaters, so there might be something different between the two populations: "Nevertheless, late eaters were more evening types, had less energetic breakfasts and skipped breakfast more frequently that early eaters"
Maybe "evening types" on average were less likely to be as active or something.5 -
I think there is something here for people who do not calorie count. I agree if you're calorie counting, it doesn't matter when you eat. But if you're trying to maintain without logging and counting it makes sense that certain eating patterns are more successful than others. For example, they often report that the Mediterranean diet is very healthy...and if you look at these cultures you'll see that dinner is not the largest meal of the day (unless there's a celebration happening). Contrast the full English breakfast with a European breakfast. UK is the "fat man" of Europe so is a large breakfast really a good thing either? So to my mind, these studies have merit because calorie counting isn't for everyone...the vast majority of people simply do not have the discipline.
One of the major studies that is being discussed is comparing two groups of people in the Mediterranean based on when they eat their lunch.2
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