Chiropractors?
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ronjsteele1 wrote: »I like the palmer trained because they don't do bone cracking. For lack of a better term they use computer aided muscle manipulation.
Yeah, I've been to the ones that want you bc of insurance. It's frustrating. But like every other doc out there, there are good ones and bad ones. Definitely a person needs to do their research.
Ah, your vertebral subluxations must be flaring up.0 -
Packerjohn wrote: »ronjsteele1 wrote: »I like the palmer trained because they don't do bone cracking. For lack of a better term they use computer aided muscle manipulation.
Yeah, I've been to the ones that want you bc of insurance. It's frustrating. But like every other doc out there, there are good ones and bad ones. Definitely a person needs to do their research.
It's been a while, but Palmer chiros (still in practice) did do bone cracking on me.
Interesting. I wonder if they teach both methods then? I dunno. I just know I don't do bone cracking.
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It depends entirely on who you see. I have read so many horror stories of bad chiros, some in this thread. My chiro is incredible. She has always helped me with alignment issues, and I have always felt better after seeing her. Last time was Feb 2016 after my S-I joint was out of alignment from a nasty squat & leg session.1
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Well... they do less schooling than I did and I'm not a doctor... so no. I wouldn't trust my spine, a main part of my nervous system, to them. If I had a medical problem with my spine, I'd see a medical doctor.
What I like about doctors is they want to get you better. Seems like everyone I know who uses a chiropractor has a chiropractor that just want to keep them coming back for the rest of their lives.1 -
I am pro-chiropractor. AFter hearing my neighbor for years raving about hers, I researched the chiro's credentials, looked up patient reviews, etc. and finally broke down and went when I woke up one day not being about to rotate my neck. I was also recovering from a shattered kneecap and because I was overcompensating while walking, I threw my hips out of alignment. Within 3 treatments, I could move my neck freely and my knee stopped swelling and my hips were normal again.
A side benefit of treatment was improved sinuses. I always had "full" feeling ears due to allergies that nothing will alleviate. I remember feeling a pop in my ears and sort of a rushing sound which I realized was sound! I could hear the arctic blast of the chiro office's AC. It was the first time in years that I could hear in what I would call hi-def! LOL3 -
Chiropractors, like all other professionals, run the gamut from poor to great. I have chronic pain, and the practitioner who helped me the most is my chiropractor. She is exceptional. She performs adjustment, is trained in and practices acupuncture, educates patients about nutrition, sells supplements from reputable sources. I found her through a friend who had severe foot pain and multiple procedures, braces , etc. and still could barely stand to be on her feet. A friend had recommended Dr. A, and she did a foot adjustment (which I didn't know was possible). The point of this post is to search for referrals from satisfied customers. Good luck.0
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Chiropractic is medical quackery and pseudoscience, and has been considered as much for decades. Study after study published on PubMed over the years has uncovered they have almost zero medical efficacy in their procedures above placebo. Making matters worse is that many chiropractors also engage in other forms of scientific nut jobbery and new age nonsense (anti-vax, for example) pushing them even farther to the fringes of anything even remotely considered science. Chiropractors are essentially the conspiracy theorists of Western medicine.
Chiropractic enjoys the financial success it does in many Western nations mainly due to the fact that the general public is largely naive and impressionable. The medical community, however, operates on the empirical principle of evidence. Chiropractic has had more than ample opportunity to make their case and prove the validity of "innate intelligence", "subluxation", "SMT" etc. To date they have failed to do so.
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Add my name to those who have had mixed experiences. However I found one that was excellent - worked on my son who had had excruciating headaches and pretty much eliminated them. Worked with me on a number of sports related injuries - knees, back etc. He is Palmer trained, works with many serious athletes and uses applied kinesthesiology (is certified in it). Unfortunately I moved out of the state. Have found someone else I really like who has similar certifications. Based on my experience, I'd recommend someone who works with athletes, graduated from Palmer and has certification in applied kinesthesiology. None of the "duds" I tried had those and most told me it would take a package of many treatments.0
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sailrunner wrote: »has certification in applied kinesthesiology.
That is roughly akin to someone saying that they have a certification in mental telepathy or telekinesis, which are also the product of folks with an overactive imagination. Chiropractors have an uncanny knack for attempting to use seemingly legitimate scientific principles and then twisting them in odd ways to suit their smorgasbord of crackpot gobbledegook. Please see the citation below, and note the footnotes and references to real medical journals and written by doctors with real medical degrees.
https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/ak.html
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There is a fine line between really good chiro's and really bad ones. Unfortunately it's a trial by fire thing. I went to a really bad one that nearly destroyed me years ago. Then, I found one this past fall, that came highly recommended and he is the bee's knees! He fixed me up when all my general practitioner wanted to do was drug me up, have me rest for two weeks, and suffer needlessly.0
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At the urging of family and friends, I saw a chiropractor regularly for several years (actually tried 3 because they were each "highly recommended"). None of them ever helped me. I really wanted to believe, especially when so many people around me are claiming all these miracle results. But all I got was lighter in the wallet. After reading the studies about the stroke/manipulation connection, I stopped going. Figured it wasn't worth the small risk when I didn't notice it helping me anyway. I started doing a gentle stretching routine instead and that has helped me greatly.0
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nutmegoreo wrote: »Love my chiropractor, but he is pretty good about letting me go by how I feel for frequency of visits and he doesn't try to sell me on any crap. He's patched me up and sent me out on a number of injuries.
Same here. Some chiropractors can do a world of good on structural issues that cause muscle pain, u just have to find the right one. Ask around.0 -
supaflyrobby1 wrote: »sailrunner wrote: »has certification in applied kinesthesiology.
That is roughly akin to someone saying that they have a certification in mental telepathy or telekinesis, which are also the product of folks with an overactive imagination. Chiropractors have an uncanny knack for attempting to use seemingly legitimate scientific principles and then twisting them in odd ways to suit their smorgasbord of crackpot gobbledegook. Please see the citation below, and note the footnotes and references to real medical journals and written by doctors with real medical degrees.
https://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Tests/ak.html
I have no bone in this, having never seen a chiropractor myself, but it seems odd that the equivalent to 'a certification in mental telepathy or telekinesis' is being taught as an advanced degree subject at a couple of major universities, including those that have medical schools.
There seems to be some Departmental naming slop that may be causing confusion with a title used by some quacks (or the quacks appropriated a legitimate title). 'Applied Kinesthesiology and Physiology' and 'Applied Physiology and Kinesthesiology' appear to be interchangeable and equivalent departments according to the posted descriptions - name depends on university. Both versions have NIH-funded research and both Master's and Ph.D. programs. So, you might consider that some degrees might in fact be legitimate.0 -
mrsnattybulking wrote: »I went to one who damaged my basilar artery causing a massive stroke. Almost died and spent the next year relearning to walk and talk. Highly don't recommend
This right here. I have terrible migraines and my headache specialist told me NEVER to see a chiropractor because they have too many patients that have damaged blood vessels in their neck due to injury by chiropractor which increases the risk of stroke, especially in migraine patients. What I did find was an amazing osteopath who did manipulation. I started seeing him after I broke my back. I did 4 straight months of physical therapy, but I saw my osteopath for over 10 years. I wouldn't be walking normally if it wasn't for him.
My headache specialist also said seeing an osteopath was fine, just not a chiro. I'll never go near one.2 -
AsrarHussain wrote: »I was thinking of trying a chiropractor to see if my body needs work to be done to perform optimally.
What are your guys thoughts?
Is it a waste of money and time or is it worth it ?
While I have been helped by chiropractors after car accidents and for chronic lower back pain, for your purpose I suggest yoga.3 -
Like some others have said, it's mostly quackery and psudoscience, not backed up by any actual scientific evidence/studies. The placebo effect is a powerful thing. If I had a problem with my spine I'd go to a medical doctor, not a chiropractor. I follow scibabe on facebook - she's a scientist out to debunk woo nonsense. She's shared several videos with chiropractors doing adjustments on BABIES. Yeah, tiny babies, even newborns. Their bones aren't even properly hard yet and these guys were properly yanking on their necks. It was horrific. I couldn't watch all the way through. Several babies and children have been injured or died because of chiropractors, as well as many adults. If you want to go then go and I'm glad people feel like they've been helped, but I wouldn't personally touch a chiropractor with a barge pole.1
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The chiro can be very good, however, it's not a magical cure for every ailment.
Personally, for the money, I'd get a massage.0 -
MarziPanda95 wrote: »Like some others have said, it's mostly quackery and psudoscience, not backed up by any actual scientific evidence/studies. The placebo effect is a powerful thing. If I had a problem with my spine I'd go to a medical doctor, not a chiropractor. I follow scibabe on facebook - she's a scientist out to debunk woo nonsense. She's shared several videos with chiropractors doing adjustments on BABIES. Yeah, tiny babies, even newborns. Their bones aren't even properly hard yet and these guys were properly yanking on their necks. It was horrific. I couldn't watch all the way through. Several babies and children have been injured or died because of chiropractors, as well as many adults. If you want to go then go and I'm glad people feel like they've been helped, but I wouldn't personally touch a chiropractor with a barge pole.
I also like Science Based Medicine.
Chiropractic is clearly and convincingly refuted for the quack pseudoscience that it it is.1 -
Well I see an osteopath when I get injured or feel somethings off. I see the osteopath as a cure but get deep tissue massages as the prevention.0
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Waste of money imo, didn't help me at all, actually added pain to my lower back.
Rather get a message, at least you will enjoy It0
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