anyone take bcaa?

InnerPinup79
InnerPinup79 Posts: 129
edited September 2024 in Food and Nutrition
I'm training for my first endurance event......a 2 day 41 mile hike in Oct to raise money for the leukemia and lymphoma society and on days of my long endurance hikes I've been taking bcaa because I noticed it helps me with my endurance and recovery. I don't take this everyday. Just wondering what anyone's experience is with using this supplement for weight loss and if it even helps in that area as I know its more for body builders which is not what I'm going for but like I said it really gives me this super hulk like strength to get through 4 plus hours if hiking.

Thanks!

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  • Alyx128
    Alyx128 Posts: 92 Member
    Bump.
  • DHalaby73
    DHalaby73 Posts: 980 Member
    I take it everyday for muscle recovery...here's some info I looked up that should be helpful..

    Boosting Immune Function - Remember if you're sick it's hard to train, much less grow. It's even harder to come back after an illness without losing a ton of strength and size. When you train at high intensity or high volume you risk immune suppression and infections. By supplementing with BCAAs you'll help reverse glutamine loss, which is essential for immune function. In addition to this, the BCAAs help prevent a catabolic state in the body, which in turn can help improve recovery and lessen the damaging effects your exercise sessions may have on the body.

    Stimulate Protein Synthesis - BCAAs by themselves have been shown to independently stimulate muscle protein synthesis. In other words, they have shown the ability to induce muscle gains, even in the absence of weight training! Studies have shown that BCAA supplementation increases the hormones: testosterone, growth hormone, and insulin.
    All of these are highly anabolic hormones. Research also shows that under conditions of extreme stress, such as hiking for 21 days at high altitude, BCAA supplementation (10 grams per day) was shown to increase muscle mass while subjects ingesting a placebo had no such change. The important thing here is these people gained muscle under extreme conditions without any anabolic stimulus such as weight training.
    Stimulate Fat Loss - Supplementation of BCAAs has been shown to trigger significant and preferential losses of visceral body fat. Located in the deeper layers of the body under the subcutaneous fat, this visceral fat tends to be resistant to dieting and is hard to lose. In one study, 25 competitive wrestlers were divided into 1 of 3 diet groups: a diet high in BCAAs, a diet low in BCAAs, and a control diet. The wrestlers stayed on the diets for 19 days. The results showed that the high BCAA group lost the most body fat, 17.3% on average. Much of the fat lost was in the abdominal region. This may give credence to BCAAs effectiveness at "spot reducing" the abs. In another study 2 groups of climbers were divided into a BCAA supplemented group and a control group. Both groups lost weight but the BCAA group actually gained muscle mass while losing fat and the other group lost muscle mass.

    One theory as to how BCAAs exert their substantial fat burning and muscle building effects is this: When present in high amounts during exercise, the body senses high levels of BCAA in the bloodstream which is typically a sign of excessive muscle breakdown. So the body stops muscle breakdown and uses more fat for fuel. At the same time the extra BCAAs in the blood stimulate insulin so the BCAAs are driven directly to the muscle. So the result is people lose body fat and gain muscle at the same time. If my hunch is correct, in order to benefit the most from the fat loss aspect of BCAAs you should make sure you limit carbohydrate consumption during the 2 hour window before your workout.

    Increased Recovery - Perhaps the greatest benefit to hard training athletes is the increase in metabolic recovery that follows supplementation. Most athletes feel a substantial decrease in the amount of post exercise muscle soreness soon after beginning BCAA supplementation. Even without any of the other benefits of BCAA usage this means faster recovery from exercise induced protein damage (remember your muscles grow when you damage them), which in turn means faster size and strength gains. With increased recovery the harder and more frequently you can hit the iron and thus the sooner you can meet your goals.

    Anti-Catabolic Effects - BCAAs probably exert most of their anabolic effects through anti-catabolic activity. In short, they suppress the use of muscle proteins for fuel, thereby sparing the breakdown of muscular protein. In part this is because they can sacrifice themselves as fuel. With less muscular protein being broken down by the body during training, the net result is increased protein synthesis and more muscle for you! In a study done on obese people put on a starvation type diet, BCAA supplementation was found to induce anabolism and nitrogen sparing so the subjects burned body fat instead of lean muscle mass, thus sparing muscle protein.

    Endurance - The BCAAs can serve as a donor of nitrogen in the formation of l-alanine, which provides the body with glucose after glycogen stores have been depleted. When you think of sparing glycogen you probably think of high carbohydrate diets but BCAAs have proven their worth here as well. In a 4 week study Japanese researchers administered BCAAs or a placebo to rats and then exercised the animals to exhaustion. The BCAA group exhibited spared glycogen storage in the liver and skeletal muscle during exercise. This means that they may enable you to train at higher intensities for longer periods of time. Supplementing with BCAAs may enable you to maintain your training intensity and endurance as energy normally provided by your diet decreases. Anyone who has ever been on a very low carb or low calorie diet for extended periods can definitely appreciate this!

    I think it's probably fairly obvious by now how everyone can in some way benefit from BCAA supplementation. By now you're probably saying to yourself, "OK, but how much do I need to take and when do I need to take it!?" In the next installment I'll answer this question and tell you how to use Protein Creations BCAA product, ICE, and what the research and real-world results show as far as dosages and timing for best results. I'll also touch on the highly potent synergistic combination between BCAAs and glutamine and how this combination used in the proper dosages can enhance the effectiveness of the above benefits even more!
  • chicago_dad
    chicago_dad Posts: 357
    Optimum Nutrition makes something called Pro Complex: http://www.optimumnutrition.com/products/natural-pro-complex-p-268.html They make BCAAs in other forms too, but that's my favorite. Really great source of BCAAs and protein.
  • InnerPinup79
    InnerPinup79 Posts: 129
    Thanks!

    Dhalaby, where did you find that information? I found nothing in that kind of detail.
  • DHalaby73
    DHalaby73 Posts: 980 Member
    your welcome bodybuilding.com is where I found the info ok...here's the link..


    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/inmag13.htm
  • aj_rock
    aj_rock Posts: 390 Member
    your welcome bodybuilding.com is where I found the info ok...here's the link..


    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/inmag13.htm

    I wouldn't go by that. bodybuilding.com isn't known for its accuracy in information, and the article itself cites no studies nor research.
  • rileysowner
    rileysowner Posts: 8,375 Member
    At this point I am not taking them, but I am starting to research them. Here are a bunch of references to the beneficial effects of BCAAs.

    1. Mero A. Leucine Supplementation and Intensive Training. Sports Medicine.  1999. Jun;27(6):347-358.

    2. Mourier A. Combined effects of caloric restriction and branched-chain amino acid supplementation on body composition and exercise performance in elite wrestlers. International Journal of Sports Medicine. 1997. Jan;18(1):47-55.

    3. Tang F. Influence of branched-chain amino acid supplementation on urinary protein metabolite concentrations after swimming. Journal of the American College of Nutrition. 2006. 25(3):188-194.

    4. Blomstrand E. Branched-chain amino acids activate key enzymes in protein synthesis after physical exercise. Journal of Nutrition. 2006. 136(1 Suppl):269S-273S.

    5. Kimball S. New functions for amino acids: effects on gene transcription and translation. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. 2006. 83(2):500S-507S.

    6. Matthews D. Observations of branched-chain amino acid administration in humans. Journal of Nutrition. 2005. 135:1580S-1584S.

    7. Lynch C. Potential role of leucine metabolism in the leucine-signaling pathway involving mTOR. American Journal of Physiology. 2003. 285:E854-E863.

    8. Calder P. Branched-chain amino acids and immunity. Journal of Nutrition. 2006. 136(1 Suppl):288S-293S.

    9. Bassit R. Branched-chain amino acid supplementation and the immune response of long-distance athletes. Journal of Nutrition. 2002. 18(5):376-379.

    10. Bassit R. The effect of BCAA supplementation upon the immune response of triathletes. Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise. 2000. 32(7):1214-1219.

    11. Waithe W. Protein synthesis in stimulated lymphocytes. II. Amino acid requirements. Cellular Immunology. 1975. 17:323-334.

    12. Dauphinais C. PHA stimulation of human lymphocytes during amino acid deprivation. Protein, RNA and DNA synthesis. Journals of Cellular Physiology. 1977. 91:357-367.

    13. Chuang J. Modulation of human lymphocyte proliferation by amino acids. Clin Exp Immunology. 1990. 81:173-176.
  • aj_rock
    aj_rock Posts: 390 Member
    Here are a bunch of references to the beneficial effects of BCAAs.

    1. Mero A. Leucine Supplementation and Intensive Training. Sports Medicine.  1999. Jun;27(6):347-358.

    2. Mourier A. Combined effects of caloric restriction and branched-chain amino acid supplementation on body composition and exercise performance in elite wrestlers. International Journal of Sports Medicine. 1997. Jan;18(1):47-55.

    3. Tang F. Influence of branched-chain amino acid supplementation on urinary protein metabolite concentrations after swimming. Journal of the American College of Nutrition. 2006. 25(3):188-194.

    4. Blomstrand E. Branched-chain amino acids activate key enzymes in protein synthesis after physical exercise. Journal of Nutrition. 2006. 136(1 Suppl):269S-273S.

    5. Kimball S. New functions for amino acids: effects on gene transcription and translation. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. 2006. 83(2):500S-507S.

    6. Matthews D. Observations of branched-chain amino acid administration in humans. Journal of Nutrition. 2005. 135:1580S-1584S.

    7. Lynch C. Potential role of leucine metabolism in the leucine-signaling pathway involving mTOR. American Journal of Physiology. 2003. 285:E854-E863.

    8. Calder P. Branched-chain amino acids and immunity. Journal of Nutrition. 2006. 136(1 Suppl):288S-293S.

    9. Bassit R. Branched-chain amino acid supplementation and the immune response of long-distance athletes. Journal of Nutrition. 2002. 18(5):376-379.

    10. Bassit R. The effect of BCAA supplementation upon the immune response of triathletes. Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise. 2000. 32(7):1214-1219.

    11. Waithe W. Protein synthesis in stimulated lymphocytes. II. Amino acid requirements. Cellular Immunology. 1975. 17:323-334.

    12. Dauphinais C. PHA stimulation of human lymphocytes during amino acid deprivation. Protein, RNA and DNA synthesis. Journals of Cellular Physiology. 1977. 91:357-367.

    13. Chuang J. Modulation of human lymphocyte proliferation by amino acids. Clin Exp Immunology. 1990. 81:173-176.

    Interesting. I'm sure wikipedia would love to see these sources, as the only ones most of its members could find were direct links to supplement providers.
  • TK421NotAtPost
    TK421NotAtPost Posts: 512 Member
    Here are a bunch of references to the beneficial effects of BCAAs.

    1. Mero A. Leucine Supplementation and Intensive Training. Sports Medicine.  1999. Jun;27(6):347-358.

    2. Mourier A. Combined effects of caloric restriction and branched-chain amino acid supplementation on body composition and exercise performance in elite wrestlers. International Journal of Sports Medicine. 1997. Jan;18(1):47-55.

    3. Tang F. Influence of branched-chain amino acid supplementation on urinary protein metabolite concentrations after swimming. Journal of the American College of Nutrition. 2006. 25(3):188-194.

    4. Blomstrand E. Branched-chain amino acids activate key enzymes in protein synthesis after physical exercise. Journal of Nutrition. 2006. 136(1 Suppl):269S-273S.

    5. Kimball S. New functions for amino acids: effects on gene transcription and translation. American Journal of Clinical Nutrition. 2006. 83(2):500S-507S.

    6. Matthews D. Observations of branched-chain amino acid administration in humans. Journal of Nutrition. 2005. 135:1580S-1584S.

    7. Lynch C. Potential role of leucine metabolism in the leucine-signaling pathway involving mTOR. American Journal of Physiology. 2003. 285:E854-E863.

    8. Calder P. Branched-chain amino acids and immunity. Journal of Nutrition. 2006. 136(1 Suppl):288S-293S.

    9. Bassit R. Branched-chain amino acid supplementation and the immune response of long-distance athletes. Journal of Nutrition. 2002. 18(5):376-379.

    10. Bassit R. The effect of BCAA supplementation upon the immune response of triathletes. Medicine and Science in Sports and Exercise. 2000. 32(7):1214-1219.

    11. Waithe W. Protein synthesis in stimulated lymphocytes. II. Amino acid requirements. Cellular Immunology. 1975. 17:323-334.

    12. Dauphinais C. PHA stimulation of human lymphocytes during amino acid deprivation. Protein, RNA and DNA synthesis. Journals of Cellular Physiology. 1977. 91:357-367.

    13. Chuang J. Modulation of human lymphocyte proliferation by amino acids. Clin Exp Immunology. 1990. 81:173-176.

    The very first study I looked up in this list came to the conclusion that BCAA supplementation in large doses does not stimulate protein synthesis.

    http://jn.nutrition.org/content/135/6/1580S.long

    Were any of the studies above conducted with a control group that was eating enough protein? As far as I know, efficacy of BCAA's have been demonstrated primarily against control groups where protein was insufficient.
  • rileysowner
    rileysowner Posts: 8,375 Member
    Wikipedia is no more reliable than many other sources. I have not went through these yet, I just found the list. I plan to dig through them and check out at least the abstracts to see how the studies were done. I know of none supplement manufacturers that encourage use of BCAAs such as the guy at leangains.com As I said I am not using them, I am starting to look into them. I have no idea how useful they would be and since much of my protein consumption contains a good amount of them I am not sure that supplementing them would have any benefit.
  • joejccva71
    joejccva71 Posts: 2,985 Member
    Supplement BCAA's are more meant for muscle recovery. I normally take Xtend after training, and drink it throughout the day along with water.

    Here are a few studies regarding this very phenomenon:
    Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2001 Aug;281(2):E365-74.
    BCAA intake affects protein metabolism in muscle after but not during exercise in humans.
    Blomstrand E, Saltin B.
    SourceCopenhagen Muscle Research Centre, Rigshospitalet, DK-2200 Copenhagen N, Denmark. eva.blomstrand@ihs.se

    Abstract
    Branched-chain amino acids (BCAA) or a placebo was given to seven subjects during 1 h of ergometer cycle exercise and a 2-h recovery period. Intake of BCAA did not influence the rate of exchange of the aromatic amino acids, tyrosine and phenylalanine, in the legs during exercise or the increase in their concentration in muscle. The increase was approximately 30% in both conditions. On the other hand, in the recovery period after exercise, a faster decrease in the muscle concentration of aromatic amino acids was found in the BCAA experiment (46% compared with 25% in the placebo condition). There was also a tendency to a smaller release (an average of 32%) of these amino acids from the legs during the 2-h recovery. The results suggest that BCAA have a protein-sparing effect during the recovery after exercise, either that protein synthesis has been stimulated and/or protein degradation has decreased, but the data during exercise are too variable to make any conclusions about the effects during exercise. The effect in the recovery period does not seem to be mediated by insulin.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11440914



    And this.....
    J Sports Med Phys Fitness. 2008 Sep;48(3):347-51.
    Branched-chain amino acid supplementation does not enhance athletic performance but affects muscle recovery and the immune system.
    Negro M, Giardina S, Marzani B, Marzatico F.
    SourcePharmacobiochemistry Laboratory, Section of Pharmacology and Pharmacological Biotechnology, Department of Cellular and Molecular, Physiological and Pharmacological Sciences, University of Pavia, Pavia, Italy.

    Abstract
    Since the 1980's there has been high interest in branched-chain amino acids (BCAA) by sports nutrition scientists. The metabolism of BCAA is involved in some specific biochemical muscle processes and many studies have been carried out to understand whether sports performance can be enhanced by a BCAA supplementation. However, many of these researches have failed to confirm this hypothesis. Thus, in recent years investigators have changed their research target and focused on the effects of BCAA on the muscle protein matrix and the immune system. Data show that BCAA supplementation before and after exercise has beneficial effects for decreasing exercise-induced muscle damage and promoting muscle-protein synthesis. Muscle damage develops delayed onset muscle soreness: a syndrome that occurs 24-48 h after intensive physical activity that can inhibit athletic performance. Other recent works indicate that BCAA supplementation recovers peripheral blood mononuclear cell proliferation in response to mitogens after a long distance intense exercise, as well as plasma glutamine concentration. The BCAA also modifies the pattern of exercise-related cytokine production, leading to a diversion of the lymphocyte immune response towards a Th1 type. According to these findings, it is possible to consider the BCAA as a useful supplement for muscle recovery and immune regulation for sports events.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18974721
  • TK421NotAtPost
    TK421NotAtPost Posts: 512 Member
    I'm interested in BCAA's too.. I might give them a shot sometime in the future. But in the meantime, it would be good to see something that showed their effectiveness.

    BTW, Martin Berkhan, the leangains founder, encourages the use of BCAA's only when you train fasted or semi-fasted. And if you don't have BCAA's, he says 30 grams of whey protein is OK too.
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